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Posted - 2013.05.19 13:02:00 -
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Both of these CPM members have now on the record voiced support for the tactic known as AWOXing. This tactic while it can be considered meta-game is obviously a major problem for planetary conquest due to a severe lack of corporation controls and is far to easy to pull off. The job of CPM is to be the advocate for the community so that dust can thrive, however it seems that that duty has been set aside and replaced with their duty to Betamax (and their use of AWOXing) and the defense of a tactic that will turn the greatest part of dust into a side show.
When CPM0 was announced many members of the community voiced their concerns of having 2 members of CPM from the same corporation and now it seems that those concerns have been proven valid. Any CPM members who have the community as their top priority would quickly condemn this tactic, and would use their influence to push CCP to give corporation leadership stronger controls over their PC battle roster. |
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Posted - 2013.05.19 13:06:00 -
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Ryder Azorria wrote:HTFU and welcome to New Eden.
HTFU and post on your main. |
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Posted - 2013.05.19 13:16:00 -
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Den-tredje Baron wrote:mmmm so being a CPM member you'r not allowed to play the game to it's full and use all the advantages you got ??
Also CPM0 is only there to really to make up a way so that the next CPM can be player elected and not elected by CCP. Everything they do other than that i guess is pretty much because they like the game and really wants it balanced and fun for all.
CPM is supposed to be the voice of the community, and I doubt anyone in the community legitimately believes that the current system will help the dust community thrive.. Sure some people might find it funny now, but after several months the joke will get old and PC will become the new joke. |
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Posted - 2013.05.19 13:34:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:Deluxe Edition wrote:Both of these CPM members have now on the record voiced support for the tactic known as AWOXing. This tactic while it can be considered meta-game is obviously a major problem for planetary conquest due to a severe lack of corporation controls and is far to easy to pull off. The job of CPM is to be the advocate for the community so that dust can thrive, however it seems that that duty has been set aside and replaced with their duty to Betamax (and their use of AWOXing) and the defense of a tactic that will turn the greatest part of dust into a side show.
When CPM0 was announced many members of the community voiced their concerns of having 2 members of CPM from the same corporation and now it seems that those concerns have been proven valid. Any CPM members who have the community as their top priority would quickly condemn this tactic, and would use their influence to push CCP to give corporation leadership stronger controls over their PC battle roster. dude... lol This is New Eden. There are asshats, griefers, team killers and otherwise slimy individuals. There is no honor except for the ones the community or you decide and even they only exist in opinions. I have no doubts that what i did was going to happen (hell it sorta allready did once!) but its not a big deal so long as you play smart and understand that not everyone will play fair. How is using spies any less cheap than using tac ARs and other OP equiptment? the answer? its all subjetive. We all have the same tools at our disposal, its up to us on how to use it.
I understand the New Eden metagame just as you must understand that the abuse of this mechanic will turn PC into a joke. This mechanic stays and soon we will be happy when 1k people are online. PC is the reason I've stayed in Dust for a year, I'm not going to sit on the sidelines while the CPM advocates for tactics that will lead to PC being 4 people in an MCC cooking grenades on themselves. You might be content to want PC play out this way, but 90% of the community won't be. Some might find it funny now, but in the end the moment they start having to restart their PS3 several times a day for months on end to switch between alts in their main and holding corporation because of weak corporation control systems I don't think many people will be left laughing.
I defended your initial selection to the CPM Jenza because I thought I knew you had to games success at heart. I don't do this for personal vendettas. I want PC to be long running, however the abuse of the lack of corporation battle tools threatens the validity of it. You can do it for the lulz now, but in 6 months you may find yourself laughing alone in a giant blue dounut and no one to fight. |
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Posted - 2013.05.19 13:49:00 -
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Jaron Pollard wrote:Deluxe Edition wrote:Both of these CPM members have now on the record voiced support for the tactic known as AWOXing. This tactic while it can be considered meta-game is obviously a major problem for planetary conquest due to a severe lack of corporation controls and is far to easy to pull off. The job of CPM is to be the advocate for the community so that dust can thrive, however it seems that that duty has been set aside and replaced with their duty to Betamax (and their use of AWOXing) and the defense of a tactic that will turn the greatest part of dust into a side show.
When CPM0 was announced many members of the community voiced their concerns of having 2 members of CPM from the same corporation and now it seems that those concerns have been proven valid. Any CPM members who have the community as their top priority would quickly condemn this tactic, and would use their influence to push CCP to give corporation leadership stronger controls over their PC battle roster. Dude, it's just "awoxing". There are no capitals in it. Also, it has a long history in New Eden and you won't find anyone that knows anything about the themes of both games that would disagree that the meta game is at least half the game. This is a sandbox. How the game goes is up to you, and you alone. Be careful who you choose as allies.
Meta-game is fine, but it should be a challenge. It's a broken mechanic. A spy in EvE has to be convincing enough to get roles to do any real damage, at the most in Dust all a spy has to do is join the corp. In a corp with a decent recruiting system that might mean waiting a month in a holding corp before being promoted.
Also you should contact the mittani and tell them they are spelling it wrong then... http://themittani.com/news/dust-514%E2%80%99s-first-recorded-awoxing-incident |
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Posted - 2013.05.19 13:55:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:Deluxe Edition wrote:
I understand the New Eden metagame just as you must understand that the abuse of this mechanic will turn PC into a joke. This mechanic stays and soon we will be happy when 1k people are online. PC is the reason I've stayed in Dust for a year, I'm not going to sit on the sidelines while the CPM advocates for tactics that will lead to PC being 4 people in an MCC cooking grenades on themselves. You might be content to want PC play out this way, but 90% of the community won't be. Some might find it funny now, but in the end the moment they start having to restart their PS3 several times a day for months on end to switch between alts in their main and holding corporation because of weak corporation control systems I don't think many people will be left laughing.
I defended your initial selection to the CPM Jenza because I thought I knew you had to games success at heart. I don't do this for personal vendettas. I want PC to be long running, however the abuse of the lack of corporation battle tools threatens the validity of it. You can do it for the lulz now, but in 6 months you may find yourself laughing alone in a giant blue dounut and no one to fight.
EXACTLY! do you want to know the first thing i did after the match (appart from drinking those sweet forum tears you gave us) I went to have a chat with CPM and CCP and had a discussion on what there is to be done. I care about this game dude, even if you cant see it. How can I as a CPM know how to fix the game if i dont know how much its broken. Is it even broken? i dont have an answer for that yet. Some would say that its partly down to a silly director just accepting an application with no background check less than 5 hours before a corp match. These things are being talked to about CCP and i am also working on it. So you saying that we should be kicked because you got your nickers in a twist is just silly and unfair. also id like clarification on some things? 1) what issues are there to be raised from having 2 CPMs from the same corp (ignoring the fact that IWS is no longer with us) 2) does is this also an issue that we have 2 CPMs in the same alliance and 3 in a coalition? again, explain it to me. 3) seeing as two thirds of the CPM where where in the same corp at one point is this also an issue? moar explain pls. *hands a tin foil hat* the fact of the matter is that if you think being on the CPM will give our corps/alliances some sort of advantage then you are massivly overestimating the powers that we as CPM hold. We want to make the game better and successful. so a CCP appointed CPM doing anything in his or her position for personal gain is very very bad and would mostly end in shitstorm.
All while advocating the tactic on the forums mascarading it as a legitimate meta game and not just an exploit that will ruin PC. Believe it or not that CPM next to your name on every post means something.
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Posted - 2013.05.19 14:15:00 -
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Eltra Ardell wrote:You can't be serious. Welcome to New Eden, I see there's a rocky road ahead of you.
PC is the draw to this game, how long do expect it to last when new players enter the field and find out winning fights doesn't matter. The only thing that will matter is your ability to juggle multiple alts just to be able to run the main corp and the alt corp. The solution of holdign corps isn't very viable due to chat channel restrictions in dust.
EoN has been hit with the tactic once, and it might happen again. I don't bring this up because I'm worried about loosing districts, I do it because I worry about loosing Dust.
PC so far has been the most fun I've ever had in New Eden. The fights have been tough, and the victories have been rewarding. I won't let this tactic threaten the validity of PC. |
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Posted - 2013.05.19 14:31:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote: EVERYONE has spies. If you don't, you're playing the game wrong.
Your right... why do you think we need a CPM that will light a fire under CCP's *** for a fast solution both publicly and privately. Otherwise PC will be a game of suicide in the MCC. |
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Posted - 2013.05.19 14:55:00 -
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Jaron Pollard wrote: Awoxing is not an exploit, and it never has been in all the years of EVE's and New Eden's existence.
Tell me does every spy in new eden have the ability to at anytime to flip sov from the alliance without the alliance knowing who the spy is from the action, and unless they find out who the spy is can never engage the enemy in a fight? |
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Posted - 2013.05.19 15:12:00 -
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DJINN Rampage wrote:to me this sounds like a whole bunch of EoN bitches mad because cronos is stomping them the **** out of PC. HTFU bitches. maybe if you stayed off the forums a bit and on the game more? youd actually hold more land. what's poppin? are your slaves starving? well too ******* bad. this is NEW EDEN not call of duty. where shoooting is only a miniscule percentage of this game. when i first started this game many moons ago, a wise man once told me, "only 10% of this game is won on the battlefield, the other 90% is played through the comms and deceit." if you think CCP's going to listen to this garbage? may i point you to one very amusing link. --> LAUGHING IN YOUR FACEand what did CCP do about it?... nothing. so you think they are REALLY going to listen to this trash? think again dude. stop QQing and HTFU, thought you were better than this deluxe. only the strong survive, and brain wins over brawn anyday. now leave my jenzi alone before i smack the taste out your mouth. she hasnt hurt anybody. but i will make her nova knife you right up the butt ;) and to furthermore dilute your argument, ironwolf saber isnt even in betamax. and im sure that ALL of CPM and everyone not in EoN in general finds this **** funny as ****. because i have told EVERYBODY and they all laugh their asses off at how stupid EoN truly is. you mad because LOI took all of your good people bro? you guys have been getting the short end of the stick all week huh? its ok, maybe if you ask nicely jenza will bake you some nice cookies, maybe even with no cyanide! :P
Lol this is all I hear in this incoherant rant.... http://youtu.be/kHmvkRoEowc
To bad you guys have been getting stomped in PC battles. |
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Posted - 2013.05.19 15:23:00 -
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DJINN Rampage wrote:Deluxe Edition wrote:DJINN Rampage wrote:to me this sounds like a whole bunch of EoN bitches mad because cronos is stomping them the **** out of PC. HTFU bitches. maybe if you stayed off the forums a bit and on the game more? youd actually hold more land. what's poppin? are your slaves starving? well too ******* bad. this is NEW EDEN not call of duty. where shoooting is only a miniscule percentage of this game. when i first started this game many moons ago, a wise man once told me, "only 10% of this game is won on the battlefield, the other 90% is played through the comms and deceit." if you think CCP's going to listen to this garbage? may i point you to one very amusing link. --> LAUGHING IN YOUR FACEand what did CCP do about it?... nothing. so you think they are REALLY going to listen to this trash? think again dude. stop QQing and HTFU, thought you were better than this deluxe. only the strong survive, and brain wins over brawn anyday. now leave my jenzi alone before i smack the taste out your mouth. she hasnt hurt anybody. but i will make her nova knife you right up the butt ;) and to furthermore dilute your argument, ironwolf saber isnt even in betamax. and im sure that ALL of CPM and everyone not in EoN in general finds this **** funny as ****. because i have told EVERYBODY and they all laugh their asses off at how stupid EoN truly is. you mad because LOI took all of your good people bro? you guys have been getting the short end of the stick all week huh? its ok, maybe if you ask nicely jenza will bake you some nice cookies, maybe even with no cyanide! :P Lol this is all I hear in this incoherant rant.... http://youtu.be/kHmvkRoEowcTo bad you guys have been getting stomped in PC battles. lol i dont know where your getting your info from, at least unlinke you biitches we dont use ringers, and everyone on our side reads "BETAMAX" and BTW EoN whos already lost countless districts, last time i checked? we havent lost any.
countless? try 1 which will be rectified shortly. Betamax can enjoy themselved deep in the middle of their blue doughnut. I look forward to pillaging your planets after where done clearing orion out of our systems. |
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Posted - 2013.05.19 15:38:00 -
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This isn't about **** talking. I was just correcting rampage on his way off information. This post is about keeping PC relevant. As a CPM I expected publicly you would be lobbying CCP towards a fix to the obviously broken mechanic. Instead you and your alliance has been the leaders in it's abuse.
If you read my initial post you will see their is none of that, only a plea for the CPM to do their job and light a fire under CCP to fix this issue. Otherwise PC is going to be dead on arrival, especially if we go by Iron Wolf's estimate of a fix in 3 months!
Either do your job as a CPM and publicly take a stance against the mechanic which undermines all of PC, or step down and let someone who is concerned about the well being of the game takes over. New Eden citizens love to point out how much they love the meta-game, however to claim this to be some ingenious EvE level super spy stuff is fooling yourself. It's a broken mechanic that is being abused and then justified by say "Well it is New Eden".
I expected more from you Jenza. |
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Posted - 2013.05.19 15:53:00 -
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DJINN Rampage wrote:
isnt your CEO in CPM too? the imperfects? basically the most corrupt motherfuckers in this game. period. you guys should really be the ones talking about standards.
Did you really just imply that I have ANY relations to the imperfects? You really have no clue what your talking about do you.
You hold a lot of districs ONLY because you where the first ones to claim them on PC launch day. Wait till you actually have to start defending them. |
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Posted - 2013.05.19 16:00:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:
Wait, so last night meant NOTHING to you! ='(
That was supposed to be between us, but now you ruined it! |
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Posted - 2013.05.19 19:28:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:Nova Knife wrote:Some Alaika Dude wrote:
Stuff about sleeping with CCP
Oh man. I guess you haven't heard the rumors about what I used to do to get the news I passed onto the community, then? But back on topic : OP, you better add me to this list too. Not only do I love it, but I completely condemn this horse**** opinion that people should need director roles to do this, and that people should be able to kick people from matches, and all those weak "MY GAME SHOULD BE 100% SAFE" arguments. Sure, it's a bit easy to do now. But if a role to join PC has to be made. There should simply be a "Can join PC" role. -Maybe- A 'Can join PC as squad leader' but this director only thing is the worst idea surrounding PC I've heard since reading that clones would be your primary income and your attack resource combined. This 'I should be able to kick people from my matches' idea needs to die, and burn in a fire right here. Kicking is a horrible solution. If it becomes harder (See previous paragraph) to awox, if you get awox'd you shouldn't have a 'mulligan' button that can easily stop it without any real effort on your part. That's just as cheap as the tactic you're complaining about, tbh. If someone worms their allies into your team with sabotage in mind, all the consequences associated with that should be in play. Any measures CCP implements about this should be preventative (See previous paragraph) but after the fact, you should have to live with it. No you're totally right, this game will surely thrive and survive when small corps like dust university lose all the ISK they spent weeks/months saving and invested because someone thought it would be EPIK LULZ XDDDddd to join and teamkill them (or SI is so scared of low-tier corps they paid for it) This is a broken "feature" and shouldn't exist, almost every modern day FPS game has a kick function for reasons EXACTLY like this, and people will literally stop playing the game because of this kind of exploitation. add a kick feature CCP, don't cater to the edgy 13 year olds who are too scared of competition/an actual fight.
Don't worry once all the FPS players leave due to the exploitation of broken corp controls they will still have the EvE players who care about Dust playing... I'm sure thats a huge part of the community. |
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Posted - 2013.05.19 19:38:00 -
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Abu Stij wrote:King Kobrah wrote: These are some of the most pathetic blind shots in the dark I have seen in YEARS. Living in a trailer? Renting a lot? HAHAHAHA OH GOD COMEDY GOLD
I got into the housing market after the bubble popped, got a decent house at a price nobody would have dreamed of 10 years ago. Not all of us can be successful in life, so don't take it personal :(
These "blind shots" seem about as spot on as your assumption & claim Jenza slept with a CCP member to get "insider info" to beat your super 1337 corp. And congrats on posting a resume no one really cares about, you and about a few hundred thousand others were "super smart" on buying a house at a low price. It's also adorable you think I'm not successful at life for owning a house that was sold short and has limited recovery on the investment. Whatever will I do? Now, if you'd stop trying to be an e-thug for about 10 seconds, yes this is hard I know but trust me you'll be better for it, and comprehend the following: Leaderboards are meaningingless in the longterm and the fact you cling to your position like Linus clings to his safety blanket is adorably sad. Welcome to New Eden where being the "super top pvp group evar" means about as much as being the grand maestro at a symphony conducted by the blind feral monkeys of Morrocco. Those of us who are actually good at this landscape CCP made know how to manipulate far more than your corps hilarious inadequate anti-espionage protocols. We can control the market, its that thing you buy things from in case you didn't know. Go look up OTEC when you're not busy trying to comprehend how much welfare you get this month. It's how we keep the pubbies like you down where you belong.
Do the Goons think they are relavent in Dust? That's cute. |
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Posted - 2013.05.19 19:43:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:I love these "PEOPLE WILL LEAVE" arguments that are totally hollow.
Dust has had terrible gameplay for more than a year and is only now showing indications that it will be getting better.
If people were going to leave... You'd think it is because the FPS part of a FPS game sucks, not because people were mean to them :)
While it does suck if it happens to you... Stuff like this is exactly why people stick around. The drama, politics, and just awesome stories about ruining a group are what draw people to dust and make them stay even when the game itself is not really that great yet. People wanted a FPS game that is about more than mindless shooting. That's why they will stay.
People have stuck around because of planetary conquest. 3-4 months of this broken "meta-game" and PC will become a joke. What happens when the feature everyone has been waiting for become a joke? At some point people will cut their losses, just look at games like SWTOR.
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Posted - 2013.05.19 20:00:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:I love how hilariously offtopic this has become.
One might even consider that the two arguing incessantly are the same person trying to draw attention away from the original topic to spare someone from some perceived embarassment?
Tinfoil time!
Who could it be? Could it be the OP? One of the CPM who have been hit with this 'insult'? Someone who agreed with either party!
THEORIES ABOUND!
Edit : Both of you should stop and shut up. I want to hear more people cry about 'awoxing' :(
I'm going to just say trolls.
Nova explain how having the current PC mechanics is good for the game? How long before half of PC if 5 people sitting in an MCC committing suicide? Is that the end game vision of CCP? |
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Posted - 2013.05.19 20:18:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:Deluxe Edition wrote: (Quote snip, pay attention to what I did here folks)
Nova explain how having the current PC mechanics is good for the game? How long before half of PC if 5 people sitting in an MCC committing suicide? Is that the end game vision of CCP? I already said a few (Pages now, I think) back in my first post in this thread : Having a role for 'can join pc' is something that should be done. But it should stop there, as far as roles for PC go. But a director manually filling a roster for each match like some people suggest, or having the ability to kick people during a match is utter horse ****. It's not fun, and if that stuff gets implemented people in the lower tiers of larger corps will never see PC at all because the only people who play will be the 'A team' (and possibly 'b team') unless they're really starving for people. I did agree that it's too easy to do. But I don't think it should be impossible to do without director roles. If someone 'awoxes' you, it wouldn't be hard to remove the role to join PC matches and kick them from the corp afterwards. But like I said in my first post on the subject : CCP should make measures regarding this preventative, not punitive. If someone manages to get 'spies' or 'griefers' into a match, there should be no "easy-out' option that simply removes them before the match is over and their 'damage' is done.
We shoulld have either a "Squad Leader" or a "Team Leader" Role (Team leader if CCP allows up to premake full teams with the Team Lead being the one with the role to join PC matches, and would act much like FC's). If CCP doesn't allow us to make full teams Squad Leads will have the permissions to join squads into battle.
With these tools I would consider awoxing legitimate. |
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