DUST Search - Calling for the Removal of Jenza Aranda, and Iron Wolf Saber from CPM0

Deluxe Edition wrote:

jenza aranda wrote:

Deluxe Edition wrote:

I understand the New Eden metagame just as you must understand that the abuse of this mechanic will turn PC into a joke. This mechanic stays and soon we will be happy when 1k people are online. PC is the reason I've stayed in Dust for a year, I'm not going to sit on the sidelines while the CPM advocates for tactics that will lead to PC being 4 people in an MCC cooking grenades on themselves. You might be content to want PC play out this way, but 90% of the community won't be. Some might find it funny now, but in the end the moment they start having to restart their PS3 several times a day for months on end to switch between alts in their main and holding corporation because of weak corporation control systems I don't think many people will be left laughing.

I defended your initial selection to the CPM Jenza because I thought I knew you had to games success at heart. I don't do this for personal vendettas. I want PC to be long running, however the abuse of the lack of corporation battle tools threatens the validity of it. You can do it for the lulz now, but in 6 months you may find yourself laughing alone in a giant blue dounut and no one to fight.

EXACTLY!

do you want to know the first thing i did after the match (appart from drinking those sweet forum tears you gave us)

I went to have a chat with CPM and CCP and had a discussion on what there is to be done.

I care about this game dude, even if you cant see it. How can I as a CPM know how to fix the game if i dont know how much its broken. Is it even broken? i dont have an answer for that yet. Some would say that its partly down to a silly director just accepting an application with no background check less than 5 hours before a corp match. These things are being talked to about CCP and i am also working on it. So you saying that we should be kicked because you got your nickers in a twist is just silly and unfair.

also id like clarification on some things?

1) what issues are there to be raised from having 2 CPMs from the same corp (ignoring the fact that IWS is no longer with us)
2) does is this also an issue that we have 2 CPMs in the same alliance and 3 in a coalition? again, explain it to me.
3) seeing as two thirds of the CPM where where in the same corp at one point is this also an issue? moar explain pls.

*hands a tin foil hat*

the fact of the matter is that if you think being on the CPM will give our corps/alliances some sort of advantage then you are massivly overestimating the powers that we as CPM hold.

We want to make the game better and successful. so a CCP appointed CPM doing anything in his or her position for personal gain is very very bad and would mostly end in shitstorm.

All while advocating the tactic on the forums mascarading it as a legitimate meta game and not just an exploit that will ruin PC. Believe it or not that CPM next to your name on every post means something.


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Jaron Pollard Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated 70	Posted - 2013.05.19 13:41:00 - [1] - Quote Deluxe Edition wrote: Both of these CPM members have now on the record voiced support for the tactic known as AWOXing. This tactic while it can be considered meta-game is obviously a major problem for planetary conquest due to a severe lack of corporation controls and is far to easy to pull off. The job of CPM is to be the advocate for the community so that dust can thrive, however it seems that that duty has been set aside and replaced with their duty to Betamax (and their use of AWOXing) and the defense of a tactic that will turn the greatest part of dust into a side show. When CPM0 was announced many members of the community voiced their concerns of having 2 members of CPM from the same corporation and now it seems that those concerns have been proven valid. Any CPM members who have the community as their top priority would quickly condemn this tactic, and would use their influence to push CCP to give corporation leadership stronger controls over their PC battle roster. Dude, it's just "awoxing". There are no capitals in it. Also, it has a long history in New Eden and you won't find anyone that knows anything about the themes of both games that would disagree that the meta game is at least half the game. This is a sandbox. How the game goes is up to you, and you alone. Be careful who you choose as allies.
Jaron Pollard Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated 71	Posted - 2013.05.19 14:52:00 - [2] - Quote Deluxe Edition wrote: jenza aranda wrote: Deluxe Edition wrote: I understand the New Eden metagame just as you must understand that the abuse of this mechanic will turn PC into a joke. This mechanic stays and soon we will be happy when 1k people are online. PC is the reason I've stayed in Dust for a year, I'm not going to sit on the sidelines while the CPM advocates for tactics that will lead to PC being 4 people in an MCC cooking grenades on themselves. You might be content to want PC play out this way, but 90% of the community won't be. Some might find it funny now, but in the end the moment they start having to restart their PS3 several times a day for months on end to switch between alts in their main and holding corporation because of weak corporation control systems I don't think many people will be left laughing. I defended your initial selection to the CPM Jenza because I thought I knew you had to games success at heart. I don't do this for personal vendettas. I want PC to be long running, however the abuse of the lack of corporation battle tools threatens the validity of it. You can do it for the lulz now, but in 6 months you may find yourself laughing alone in a giant blue dounut and no one to fight. EXACTLY! do you want to know the first thing i did after the match (appart from drinking those sweet forum tears you gave us) I went to have a chat with CPM and CCP and had a discussion on what there is to be done. I care about this game dude, even if you cant see it. How can I as a CPM know how to fix the game if i dont know how much its broken. Is it even broken? i dont have an answer for that yet. Some would say that its partly down to a silly director just accepting an application with no background check less than 5 hours before a corp match. These things are being talked to about CCP and i am also working on it. So you saying that we should be kicked because you got your nickers in a twist is just silly and unfair. also id like clarification on some things? 1) what issues are there to be raised from having 2 CPMs from the same corp (ignoring the fact that IWS is no longer with us) 2) does is this also an issue that we have 2 CPMs in the same alliance and 3 in a coalition? again, explain it to me. 3) seeing as two thirds of the CPM where where in the same corp at one point is this also an issue? moar explain pls. hands a tin foil hat the fact of the matter is that if you think being on the CPM will give our corps/alliances some sort of advantage then you are massivly overestimating the powers that we as CPM hold. We want to make the game better and successful. so a CCP appointed CPM doing anything in his or her position for personal gain is very very bad and would mostly end in shitstorm. All while advocating the tactic on the forums mascarading it as a legitimate meta game and not just an exploit that will ruin PC. Believe it or not that CPM next to your name on every post means something. Awoxing is not an exploit, and it never has been in all the years of EVE's and New Eden's existence.
Jaron Pollard Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated 72	Posted - 2013.05.19 15:21:00 - [3] - Quote Deluxe Edition wrote: Jaron Pollard wrote: Awoxing is not an exploit, and it never has been in all the years of EVE's and New Eden's existence. Tell me does every spy in new eden have the ability to at anytime to flip sov from the alliance without the alliance knowing who the spy is from the action, and unless they find out who the spy is can never engage the enemy in a fight? Yes. In fact, we just used an alt to take down a wh corp in eve by getting him recruited and let into the shield in order to let us in and steal 10bil worth of blueprints. And not one round was fired that day. Also, that alt is still in their corp, and they are none the wiser.