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CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance 968	Posted - 2013.05.10 11:54:00 - [1] - Quote On Tuesday 14th of May we will be enabling a special instant battle queue for new players called the Instant Battle Academy. Entry to these battles will be limited by total war points earned per character and will prevent older players from joining. New players will not be presented with the existing instant battle queues however they can join a squad with veteran players and be pulled into other battles. Faction warfare and planetary conquest battles will also still be available to new players. This is a first step at improving the new player experience. We are also working on a vastly improved matchmaking system which is designed to better separate players based on their actual skill level instead of just isolating new players. We will hopefully be rolling that out in an expansion later this year. You may notice I have not mentioned the exact criteria for being a new player and I am very interested in hearing how many skill points, war points, battles or any other metric you would use to determine what constitutes a "newbie". Remember the goal is to give new players enough time to understand the game not necessarily become proficient at it. So if you have any thoughts on that please reply here.

jenza aranda BetaMax. CRONOS. 1314	Posted - 2013.05.10 11:57:00 - [2] - Quote This is something that i think newbies will do great with, i hope this goes down well :)
Henry DeMartos Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.05.10 11:57:00 - [3] - Quote Hopefully it will work. I absolutely hate being killed by an Adv or Pro suits while sniping on my STD.
Drommy Hood Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 277	Posted - 2013.05.10 11:58:00 - [4] - Quote brilliant idea
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 583	Posted - 2013.05.10 11:59:00 - [5] - Quote Hey good job guys, I'm really trying hard not to have a backhanded compliment in regards to this so I'll leave it at that. spectacular idea
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3781	Posted - 2013.05.10 12:00:00 - [6] - Quote On the subject of matchmaking, I have 2 suggestions. Match squads against other squads: sometimes you just want to just play by yourself and relax, in those cases being matched against squads provides too much of a challenge to be fun, and too little challenge for the squad. If I'm just playing by myself, don't match me against a full squad of some elite corp. Match players based on ALLOCATED SP: 1 million (allocated) SP or below players get thrown in one battle, 2 million SP and below players get thrown in another battle, etc. Right now I'm saving my SP before specializing so I'm still using militia starter fits, and I keep getting matched with people with prototype weapons and prototype specialized dropsuits; not a pleasant experience at all. Playing against these highly specialized players is too much of a challenge for most, and not enough of a challenge to the proto wearers. The instant battle academy is a good start, but I really think basing it off allocated SP would be a really good way to put new players against other new players, and work as a good system for everyone else.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 69	Posted - 2013.05.10 12:00:00 - [7] - Quote It's difficoult, even with the 500.000 sp you can play vs skilled player, sometime it's just a matter of mentality, if you stay close to your team you can survive but if you try to run solo........ I think the cap should be on an average of WP based on something like 10/20 matches.
Sontie Ill Omens EoN. 281	Posted - 2013.05.10 12:03:00 - [8] - Quote Is there no way to limit gear in instant battles? At the current SP levels, I think the cut off should be able 5 mil SP. I have no idea what that would translate into in WP. 5 mil because it allows the new players to see what someone focusing their SP can bring to the table but not get completely dominated. There might be a proto suit or two, a proto weapon or two, but not to much. A good booty whoopin is a good thing sometimes. A possible negative repercussion is that new plays will think that those rare proto things that kill them are awesome and will spec into them, but when they meet the rest of us, they realize it's not quite what they thought.
Aeon Amadi WarRavens Orion Empire 1278	Posted - 2013.05.10 12:04:00 - [9] - Quote Less than 5,000,000 as a new player, any more as a veteran. It's a good round-about number and about the number required to: A.) Go Proto suit in a single class specialization (frame and type at level 5) B.) Have all Core skills (Electronics/Engineering/Armor Upgrades/Shield Upgrades) to level 5. C.) Have two weapons' Operation and Proficiency skills at level 5. Edit: I would also say that it's -VERY IMPORTANT- that the 'Newbie' status not be restricted to character, but to the account. Most of us already have Alt characters or intend to create them in which we are very familiar with the game and are veterans despite our alts having <5,000,000 sp.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3781	Posted - 2013.05.10 12:05:00 - [10] - Quote shaman oga wrote: It's difficoult, even with the 500.000 sp you can play vs skilled player, sometime it's just a matter of mentality, if you stay close to your team you can survive but if you try to run solo........ I think the cap should be on an average of WP based on something like 10/20 matches. Good point. I think it could be a good idea to have both a total WP system for new players, then have another layer based on allocated SP for everyone who exceeds the newbs total war points.

2100 Angels The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 99	Posted - 2013.05.10 12:06:00 - [11] - Quote I will be playing them occasionally on an alt to keep them humble .....
Jebus McKing DUST University Ivy League 52	Posted - 2013.05.10 12:09:00 - [12] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: New players will not be presented with the existing instant battle queues[...] Why not give them the option to either do those "Academy Battles" or to jump into the real thing right from the start? Just make it perfectly obvious what they will be up against in standard Instant Battles. By doing this a veteran player who wants to use an alt won't need to join a squad first to play some "real" Instant Battles. CCP Nullarbor wrote: You may notice I have not mentioned the exact criteria for being a new player and I am very interested in hearing how many skill points, war points, battles or any other metric you would use to determine what constitutes a "newbie". That's a tough question. Maybe make those Academy Battles joinable until a player has like 1 - 1.5 mil SP. Again, if Academy Battles are optional instead of replacing Instant Battles finding the right criteria won't be as critical.
Thumb Green THE STAR BORN Dark Taboo 79	Posted - 2013.05.10 12:10:00 - [13] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: On Tuesday 14th of May we will be enabling a special instant battle queue for new players called the Instant Battle Academy. Entry to these battles will be limited by total war points earned per character and will prevent older players from joining. New players will not be presented with the existing instant battle queues however they can join a squad with veteran players and be pulled into other battles. Faction warfare and planetary conquest battles will also still be available to new players.. I'm curious, is there anything in place to stop a new player from leading a squad and pulling older players into "Instant Battle Academy"?
Kushmir Nadian Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION 211	Posted - 2013.05.10 12:10:00 - [14] - Quote This is really great news and IMO you should use as many metrics as possible, WP/SP/Games played...might be a good idea for the rookie loading screen to have links to Dust University and Bojo's School as well.
BMSTUBBY KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 197	Posted - 2013.05.10 12:10:00 - [15] - Quote This may be a good place maybe to lift the SP cap for these battles only. This way the new players can grind to the 5 million SP's quick if they choose to. Lets speed up the process to get fresh meat into the real battle fields.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 69	Posted - 2013.05.10 12:12:00 - [16] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Less than 5,000,000 as a new player, any more as a veteran. It's a good round-about number and about the number required to: A.) Go Proto suit in a single class specialization (frame and type at level 5) B.) Have all Core skills (Electronics/Engineering/Armor Upgrades/Shield Upgrades) to level 5. C.) Have two weapons' Operation and Proficiency skills at level 5. Edit: I would also say that it's -VERY IMPORTANT- that the 'Newbie' status not be restricted to character, but to the account. Most of us already have Alt characters or intend to create them in which we are very familiar with the game and are veterans despite our alts having <5,000,000 sp. XOR, OR , AND i can't understand, one option excludes another or all 3 are required?
Aeon Amadi WarRavens Orion Empire 1278	Posted - 2013.05.10 12:12:00 - [17] - Quote BMSTUBBY wrote: This may be a good place maybe to lift the SP cap for these battles only. This way the new players can grind to the 5 million SP's quick if they choose to. Lets speed up the process to get fresh meat into the real battle fields. I like this idea as long as the cap kicks it at 5,000,000.
Aeon Amadi WarRavens Orion Empire 1278	Posted - 2013.05.10 12:18:00 - [18] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Less than 5,000,000 as a new player, any more as a veteran. It's a good round-about number and about the number required to: A.) Go Proto suit in a single class specialization (frame and type at level 5) B.) Have all Core skills (Electronics/Engineering/Armor Upgrades/Shield Upgrades) to level 5. C.) Have two weapons' Operation and Proficiency skills at level 5. Edit: I would also say that it's -VERY IMPORTANT- that the 'Newbie' status not be restricted to character, but to the account. Most of us already have Alt characters or intend to create them in which we are very familiar with the game and are veterans despite our alts having <5,000,000 sp. XOR, OR , AND i can't understand, one option excludes another or all 3 are required? Pretty much excludes the other. Each of those options takes about 5,000,000 SP. Example: Proto Assault Suit = Dropsuit Command 1 (6,220) Frame 5 (1,865,520) and Racial Assault Suit 5 (3,109,200) = Total: 4,980,940 SP Example: Weaponry 1 (6,220), Light Weapon Operation 1 (12,440), Assault Rifle Operation 5 (621,840), Assault Rifle Proficiency 5 (1,544,600) = Total: 2,185,100 SP
Flamesea Shadow Company HQ 11	Posted - 2013.05.10 12:22:00 - [19] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Less than 5,000,000 as a new player, any more as a veteran. It's a good round-about number and about the number required to: A.) Go Proto suit in a single class specialization (frame and type at level 5) B.) Have all Core skills (Electronics/Engineering/Armor Upgrades/Shield Upgrades) to level 5. C.) Have two weapons' Operation and Proficiency skills at level 5. Edit: I would also say that it's -VERY IMPORTANT- that the 'Newbie' status not be restricted to character, but to the account. Most of us already have Alt characters or intend to create them in which we are very familiar with the game and are veterans despite our alts having <5,000,000 sp. XOR, OR , AND i can't understand, one option excludes another or all 3 are required? I think he means A =5mil B= 5mil C= 5mil
hiddendephs Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 0	Posted - 2013.05.10 12:22:00 - [20] - Quote I'm new to dust and struggle going up against the more experienced players so i welcome this good news ... not that i mind being slaughtered like a lamb and all lol

Jebus McKing DUST University Ivy League 52	Posted - 2013.05.10 12:23:00 - [21] - Quote 5 mil SP? I think that'd be way too long. People would play in those Academy Battles for months. My suggestion is that if someone caps out every week they should get out of Academy Battles in 2-6 weeks. This should be about learning the game while not getting stomped, not to protect someone from the veteran players for several months. Also it might be worth thinking about some sort of "High-Sec" Battles, where noone is allowed to use prototype level gear. I think this has been proposed several times. Making FW more interesting for veteran players might also help to improve the new player experience.
Flamesea Shadow Company HQ 11	Posted - 2013.05.10 12:26:00 - [22] - Quote 2,5 mil SP Gives enough time to get idea and all basics needed to L3
Roy Xkillerz Red Star. EoN. 15	Posted - 2013.05.10 12:27:00 - [23] - Quote Sounds good. This will increase new players over time.
Aeon Amadi WarRavens Orion Empire 1278	Posted - 2013.05.10 12:29:00 - [24] - Quote Jebus McKing wrote: 5 mil SP? I think that'd be way too long. People would play in those Academy Battles for months. My suggestion is that if someone caps out every week they should get out of Academy Battles in 2-6 weeks. This should be about learning the game while not getting stomped, not to protect someone from the veteran players for several months. Also it might be worth thinking about some sort of "High-Sec" Battles, where noone is allowed to use prototype level gear. I think this has been proposed several times. Making FW more interesting for veteran players might also help to improve the new player experience. It does seem that way when you have an SP cap involved. Here's some facts to help alleviate this though: 1.) Active+Passive boosters bring the weekly potential to a total of 537,600 SP. 2.) Assuming that both boosters are being used, this would translate to a little over 9 weeks of play. 3.) WITHOUT a cap, however - this could drastically reduce the time at which the player attains the SP required to be efficient on the field at a particular specialization. In that 2-3 months, however, they're trying out different things and learning what they like and don't like as well as what works and doesn't work. EDIT: Having the weekly cap allows them to be decisive about what to spend their SP on and go for smaller things (like weapon/equipment Operation skills) in short time as the SP trickles in rather than floods in. I personally feel that without an SP cap, this system would work fantastically and it would allow newer players to sky rocket to a position at which corporations could find them beneficial and even necessary in short time.
juumole Planetary Response Organization 2	Posted - 2013.05.10 12:30:00 - [25] - Quote Sound like a great idea but make it optional for players. Never force a player into anything you don't absolutely have to. Part of the point of playing games is freedom and I think nothing will irritate most gamers more than having a choice made for them. The more variations the better but I think warpoints would be a bad metric at this point because there are matches where newbs are facing pros and sometimes you just have off matches. Skillpoints would probably be good with multiple tiers in the million point range. About a months worth of play with no skill boosters and maxing each week. Gear tiered matches would also be fun I think maybe with reduced gains. Sometimes you just want to get on an fool around or test something out and that's hard do with a bunch of protos or tank/ dropships on the map. Please though include anything as an option, I cant stress this point enough.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 69	Posted - 2013.05.10 12:31:00 - [26] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Pretty much excludes the other. Each of those options takes about 5,000,000 SP. Example: Proto Assault Suit = Dropsuit Command 1 (6,220) Frame 5 (1,865,520) and Racial Assault Suit 5 (3,109,200) = Total: 4,980,940 SP Example: Weaponry 1 (6,220), Light Weapon Operation 1 (12,440), Assault Rifle Operation 5 (621,840), Assault Rifle Proficiency 5 (1,544,600) = Total: 2,185,100 SP Thanks for explaining However i can't agree with the cap of 5 mil. it's too much for me, a good player that have understood how this game works, can really rock on the battlefield, but i agree with your previous edit. Aeon Amadi wrote: that the 'Newbie' status not be restricted to character, but to the account
Dazereth the 2nd Stoned Kloned Killers 33	Posted - 2013.05.10 12:33:00 - [27] - Quote 5 million and under, cause that's just the beginnings of a good kit. With 4m, you're still gonna get slaughtered by proto-dudes

CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance 977	Posted - 2013.05.10 12:34:00 - [28] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: On Tuesday 14th of May we will be enabling a special instant battle queue for new players called the Instant Battle Academy. Entry to these battles will be limited by total war points earned per character and will prevent older players from joining. New players will not be presented with the existing instant battle queues however they can join a squad with veteran players and be pulled into other battles. Faction warfare and planetary conquest battles will also still be available to new players.. I'm curious, is there anything in place to stop a new player from leading a squad and pulling older players into "Instant Battle Academy"? Yes, only players meeting the requirement for the academy queue can join regardless of squad. If you try to join a squad into the academy queue with veteran players you get an error. It does however work the other way around with new players being able to join the standard queues.

Murt Lesp Straight-Silvers 0	Posted - 2013.05.10 12:35:00 - [29] - Quote On a similar note: Will there be a limit as to how many of a certain dropsuit is on the battlefield? I'm not complaining but it can be frustrating for any level of player when they engage multiple heavies at a time. 3-4 is tolerable if you RUN, but seeing 8 of them on the field is just insane. Consider a limit of 6 per team in instant battles but no limit in faction or corporation battles. Just a suggestion to help new players or those with less than a month's experience.
Beren Hurin OMNI Endeavors 434	Posted - 2013.05.10 12:35:00 - [30] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Thumb Green wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: On Tuesday 14th of May we will be enabling a special instant battle queue for new players called the Instant Battle Academy. Entry to these battles will be limited by total war points earned per character and will prevent older players from joining. New players will not be presented with the existing instant battle queues however they can join a squad with veteran players and be pulled into other battles. Faction warfare and planetary conquest battles will also still be available to new players.. I'm curious, is there anything in place to stop a new player from leading a squad and pulling older players into "Instant Battle Academy"? Yes, only players meeting the requirement for the academy queue can join regardless of squad. If you try to join a squad into the academy queue with veteran players you get an error. It does however work the other way around with new players being able to join the standard queues. How's the fix to faction warfare battles instancing coming?



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