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Aeon Amadi
WarRavens
Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.10 12:04:00 -
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Less than 5,000,000 as a new player, any more as a veteran. It's a good round-about number and about the number required to:
A.) Go Proto suit in a single class specialization (frame and type at level 5)
B.) Have all Core skills (Electronics/Engineering/Armor Upgrades/Shield Upgrades) to level 5.
C.) Have two weapons' Operation and Proficiency skills at level 5.
Edit: I would also say that it's -VERY IMPORTANT- that the 'Newbie' status not be restricted to character, but to the account. Most of us already have Alt characters or intend to create them in which we are very familiar with the game and are veterans despite our alts having <5,000,000 sp. |
Aeon Amadi
WarRavens
Orion Empire
1278
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Posted - 2013.05.10 12:12:00 -
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BMSTUBBY wrote:This may be a good place maybe to lift the SP cap for these battles only. This way the new players can grind to the 5 million SP's quick if they choose to.  Lets speed up the process to get fresh meat into the real battle fields. 
I like this idea as long as the cap kicks it at 5,000,000. |
Aeon Amadi
WarRavens
Orion Empire
1278
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Posted - 2013.05.10 12:18:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Less than 5,000,000 as a new player, any more as a veteran. It's a good round-about number and about the number required to:
A.) Go Proto suit in a single class specialization (frame and type at level 5)
B.) Have all Core skills (Electronics/Engineering/Armor Upgrades/Shield Upgrades) to level 5.
C.) Have two weapons' Operation and Proficiency skills at level 5.
Edit: I would also say that it's -VERY IMPORTANT- that the 'Newbie' status not be restricted to character, but to the account. Most of us already have Alt characters or intend to create them in which we are very familiar with the game and are veterans despite our alts having <5,000,000 sp. XOR, OR , AND i can't understand, one option excludes another or all 3 are required?
Pretty much excludes the other. Each of those options takes about 5,000,000 SP.
Example: Proto Assault Suit = Dropsuit Command 1 (6,220) Frame 5 (1,865,520) and Racial Assault Suit 5 (3,109,200) = Total: 4,980,940 SP
Example: Weaponry 1 (6,220), Light Weapon Operation 1 (12,440), Assault Rifle Operation 5 (621,840), Assault Rifle Proficiency 5 (1,544,600) = Total: 2,185,100 SP |
Aeon Amadi
WarRavens
Orion Empire
1278
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Posted - 2013.05.10 12:29:00 -
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Jebus McKing wrote:5 mil SP? I think that'd be way too long. People would play in those Academy Battles for months.
My suggestion is that if someone caps out every week they should get out of Academy Battles in 2-6 weeks.
This should be about learning the game while not getting stomped, not to protect someone from the veteran players for several months.
Also it might be worth thinking about some sort of "High-Sec" Battles, where noone is allowed to use prototype level gear. I think this has been proposed several times.
Making FW more interesting for veteran players might also help to improve the new player experience.
It does seem that way when you have an SP cap involved. Here's some facts to help alleviate this though:
1.) Active+Passive boosters bring the weekly potential to a total of 537,600 SP.
2.) Assuming that both boosters are being used, this would translate to a little over 9 weeks of play.
3.) WITHOUT a cap, however - this could drastically reduce the time at which the player attains the SP required to be efficient on the field at a particular specialization.
In that 2-3 months, however, they're trying out different things and learning what they like and don't like as well as what works and doesn't work. EDIT: Having the weekly cap allows them to be decisive about what to spend their SP on and go for smaller things (like weapon/equipment Operation skills) in short time as the SP trickles in rather than floods in.
I personally feel that without an SP cap, this system would work fantastically and it would allow newer players to sky rocket to a position at which corporations could find them beneficial and even necessary in short time. |
Aeon Amadi
WarRavens
Orion Empire
1278
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Posted - 2013.05.10 12:35:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:
Pretty much excludes the other. Each of those options takes about 5,000,000 SP.
Example: Proto Assault Suit = Dropsuit Command 1 (6,220) Frame 5 (1,865,520) and Racial Assault Suit 5 (3,109,200) = Total: 4,980,940 SP
Example: Weaponry 1 (6,220), Light Weapon Operation 1 (12,440), Assault Rifle Operation 5 (621,840), Assault Rifle Proficiency 5 (1,544,600) = Total: 2,185,100 SP
Thanks for explaining However i can't agree with the cap of 5 mil. it's too much for me, a good player that have understood how this game works, can really rock on the battlefield, but i agree with your previous edit. Aeon Amadi wrote:that the 'Newbie' status not be restricted to character, but to the account
Well, like I said, it wouldn't feel nearly as much when the SP Cap is removed for the duration of the 5,000,000 SP =P |
Aeon Amadi
WarRavens
Orion Empire
1279
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Posted - 2013.05.10 12:40:00 -
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CCP Nullarbor wrote:By the way our initial thought based on advice from the CPM is to use total war points not skill points. One the of the problems with skill points is you earn them passively, so if you roll an account and leave it inactive for a while you will eventually end up out of the academy without playing any battles. We feel that war points is a better indicator of actual game experience which also happens to scale with proficiency.
Good point... Sort of debunks the entire process then. War Points are sort of finicky though, a new player could circumvent the entire system by accident simply by doing a lot of installation hacks at the start of the matches.
There would have to be a sizable number put in play as a single player can gain as much as 300-400 WP before even making contact with the enemy team solely through hacking installations/objectives at the start of the match. |
Aeon Amadi
WarRavens
Orion Empire
1279
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Posted - 2013.05.10 12:42:00 -
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pedro green wrote:brilliant idea. newb up to 3 mil. matchmaking after 3mil sp based on k/d perhaps
Dropship pilots would be eternally stuck in the Newbie queues x_X |
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