ALL LIES< LIES I TELL YOU.

nice work to all the folks, and thanks for the post Casius

I saw nothing interesting here to be honest. Thanks for the info though.

So I'm on IRC's dust channel and someone mentions Sisi, CCP's eve online test server.

Just wanted to through this out there, but anybody with access to the test server might want to check it for dust items. Some interesting things on there.

Edit: Figured I would add a quick link in here for those who don't have access, just a little look.

Lookie here!

Oh also, sense this is on the test server it is still subject to change, but you can get the idea about it.

Hm... No new AV weapon from the video?

Edit: never mind, I found it. :D

I saw nothing interesting here to be honest. Thanks for the info though.

Most notable thing i saw was that Caldari Assault suits are now inferior to the Gallente, Amar and Minmitar Variants. Disappointing.

ENFORCER HAV'S I WANT 1!!!!!!!

Hard to say going with just the images' info.

Hm... No new AV weapon from the video?

Edit: never mind, I found it. :D

Caldari < Gallente

So while nobody else is mentioning it...

"Best price in station is:"

...interesting...

So while nobody else is mentioning it...

"Best price in station is:"

...interesting...

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120702222854/eve/images/thumb/b/bd/GA_Dropship.jpg/640px-GA_Dropship.jpg

Only wish there was screen shots of the equpment/weapons/suits themself. *le sigh*

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120702222854/eve/images/thumb/b/bd/GA_Dropship.jpg/640px-GA_Dropship.jpg

So with little to no crossover in basic skills its going to cost me a kitten load more SP to go Logi and DS Pilot.

It's really going to hurt if dropships don't get fixed enough to make flying a full time occupation. Being a pilot will require a significant investment in the future.

Someone needs to look and see if modules for suit/ship cloaking are in.

Assult DS will be a fun new toy. I just wonder if there will be another Minor SP reallocation for vehicles in the future same as they're doing for drop-suits now. Obviously I'm not going to wait a year to spe DS because Amarr isn't out, but when they are then all points in Galentte will be 'wasted'. And now it seems there's even more investment into DS with less return on suits.

Also I wonder how you'll aim this gun while flying lol.

Darn, they didn't post the second page for the assault skills (just two of the first page). I am really curious to see if sharpshooter still increases range, or if it just adds accuracy and/or lowers dispersion. Cause AR operation lowers kick, but not mention of dispersion.

Heavy weapon sharpshooter still increases range, so hopefully AR's sharpshooter does too.

I didn't see any new suits themselves, and there's really no stats to look at for them anyways. But most of the vehicles have bonuses per level of there specific skill it seems.

So no new heavy dropsuits? Amarr is still the only option for a heavy, yet assault has atleast 4 manufacturers ? Awesome....

i hope the new dropships are minmatar or even amarr, just for the diversity. even better if our birds are durable

i hope the new dropships are minmatar or even amarr, just for the diversity. even better if our birds are durable

They are, look at the pictures the OP linked.

I can't see Amy of the pictures on my cell phone. :(

What bonus does the caldari suit get?

The assault got a reload bonus and the logi a shield extender bonus.

So no new heavy dropsuits? Amarr is still the only option for a heavy, yet assault has atleast 4 manufacturers ? Awesome....

I think we may get new heavies, I noticed that there are 2 subcategories of heavy; the basic heavy (the kind that Amarr have), and a sentinel subcategory.
This is similar to medium dropsuits coming in basic, assault, and logistics. This leads me to believe that the sentinel subcategory of heavy will be a totally new kind of dropsuit, possibly from a different race.
Look here.

It should be the other way around. Wtf?

i took a look, but for kitten's sake they're both caldari and gallente A.DS's :/

http://i.imgur.com/y4xqJy1.jpg?1

Man heavies get like nothing this build. BTW the sentinel is the starter class for heavy when you make a new char. sigh, I am prob going to have to grind through this build.

Man heavies get like nothing this build. BTW the sentinel is the starter class for heavy when you make a new char. sigh, I am prob going to have to grind through this build.

Wonder if the skill bonuses apply to all suits - for example will training every races assault dropsuit skill give you 4x the shield recharge bonus? Also looks like I wont be supporting amarr for my dropsuits if the bonuses stay.

The suits were there. All races had both generic medium frame suits and assault and logistics specializations. The Amarr have a generic heavy and sentinel specialization. The other three races have light frame suits and scout specialization. It looks like we'll have a less capable base frame to start with and a specialized variant to use once we get our skills up.

Personally, I like the skill tree going deeper for each racial line. The RPer in me never did like cross training all races and ships in EVE.

Holy kitten, that's a kitten ton of new skills. I wonder if I have to train up Gallente Light before I can train up Gallente Scout.

Crystal Ball theory.

All suits will be put into light medium and heavy suit basics.

They will have pretty generic stats and boring stats with no erring on focus.

Then when you hit lvl 5 you get the next suit skils Assault - Logistics - Crusader- Sentinel - Pilot - Scout and get not only the basic suit bonus but the extra suit bonus and all the new gizmos and whistles and stats focusing.

... and Sisi is now offline. Wondering if that data will be gone when it come back up.

Hmmmm, the Assault dropships are light vehicles. I wonder how survivable they are going to be.
I don't want to be paying 700k ISK for a flying LAV.

Uh... no.

The suit bonuses say something like:

Fixed:
Assault suit bonus: 5% to dropsuit shield recharge rate per level
Minmatar assault suit bonus: 5% to sidearm clip size per level

Sorry I couldn't find any info on Logistics in the image dump.Can someone update me on what's happening with the dropsuits and the possible variants that we heard of a month or two ago?

WTF I didn't saw this thread!!!

I guess I'll be using Amarr Assault Dropsuit. 5% less heat buildup on the Viziam LR would mean even more damage by continuous fire. But damn I want Caldari...

Has anyone noticed that you can't see the Scout details in the skills!

BTW Shield Adaptation changed to less CPU per levels. No more +500 shields gods.

if they seperate the all vehicle skills from the infantry skills then you wont see me ever going on foot. Alone by those pics i would probs need 6-7 million SP to get on the same lvl of gear that im using at the moment. It would suck if PG/CPU increasing skills are going to be splitted up. But hey CCP go ahead and make the life of vehicle drivers harder. But on a second thought you will see less truly skilled tankers which means that the dedicated HAV drivers will allways be on top. You have to think about it how hard it would be as a new player to get into tanks when shield modules are aswell seperated between infantry and vehicles. At the moment as a example you unlock shield extenders for infantry and vehicles with the same skill. I just hope that CCP is not going to extend the lifetime from this game by simply splitting 1 skill into 2 skills which would double the amount of SP needed to learn. Assault dropship is for the win but how come that i dont see the scrambler rifle on the pics? Probs not finished yet. Well CCP has around a month left to make the final decisions.

Also Sharpshooter still increases range, fml.

http://i.imgur.com/FgWfA1vh.jpg?1

Only Heavy Weapon Sharpshooter confirmed to make that difference.

Devs have said in the podcast that AR Sharpshooter is a separate skill, which implies other Light Weapons will have their own Sharpshooter skill.

heavy sharpshooter shouldnt have raised range imo.

^So If you're Minmitar it Is better to use the traditional Logi suit and did it mention the new subclasses of each dropsuit? (ex:sigma dropsuit and the crusader)

if they seperate the all vehicle skills from the infantry skills then you wont see me ever going on foot. Alone by those pics i would probs need 6-7 million SP to get on the same lvl of gear that im using at the moment. It would suck if PG/CPU increasing skills are going to be splitted up. But hey CCP go ahead and make the life of vehicle drivers harder. But on a second thought you will see less truly skilled tankers which means that the dedicated HAV drivers will allways be on top. You have to think about it how hard it would be as a new player to get into tanks when shield modules are aswell seperated between infantry and vehicles. At the moment as a example you unlock shield extenders for infantry and vehicles with the same skill. I just hope that CCP is not going to extend the lifetime from this game by simply splitting 1 skill into 2 skills which would double the amount of SP needed to learn. Assault dropship is for the win but how come that i dont see the scrambler rifle on the pics? Probs not finished yet. Well CCP has around a month left to make the final decisions.

if they seperate the all vehicle skills from the infantry skills then you wont see me ever going on foot. Alone by those pics i would probs need 6-7 million SP to get on the same lvl of gear that im using at the moment. It would suck if PG/CPU increasing skills are going to be splitted up. But hey CCP go ahead and make the life of vehicle drivers harder. But on a second thought you will see less truly skilled tankers which means that the dedicated HAV drivers will allways be on top. You have to think about it how hard it would be as a new player to get into tanks when shield modules are aswell seperated between infantry and vehicles. At the moment as a example you unlock shield extenders for infantry and vehicles with the same skill. I just hope that CCP is not going to extend the lifetime from this game by simply splitting 1 skill into 2 skills which would double the amount of SP needed to learn. Assault dropship is for the win but how come that i dont see the scrambler rifle on the pics? Probs not finished yet. Well CCP has around a month left to make the final decisions.

Only Heavy Weapon Sharpshooter confirmed to make that difference.

Devs have said in the podcast that AR Sharpshooter is a separate skill, which implies other Light Weapons will have their own Sharpshooter skill.

Meh, it never was that big of a boost, as it only works on your base shields.
You could take like.. 1? 1.5? extra bullets?

Am I the only one who getts the impression that there may be to many new skills? I get the feeling its moving towards something like "Exile" Assault Rifle Usage Skill, "Exile" PG Usage Skill, "Exile" Sharp Shooting Skill, and then the "Gek" AR usage skill. etc. etc. etc.

I like my Caldari missiles in EVE, I trained Bombardment and it affected ALL of my missiles. It was painful enough training for like 10 days for Heavy Missile 5, then 10 days for HAM 5 then like 20 days for Torp 5.

Its probably just me.

Can't wait for more info, and how are you guys paying so much for ships? i rarely go over 500k per ship.

Am I the only one who getts the impression that there may be to many new skills? I get the feeling its moving towards something like "Exile" Assault Rifle Usage Skill, "Exile" PG Usage Skill, "Exile" Sharp Shooting Skill, and then the "Gek" AR usage skill. etc. etc. etc.

I like my Caldari missiles in EVE, I trained Bombardment and it affected ALL of my missiles. It was painful enough training for like 10 days for Heavy Missile 5, then 10 days for HAM 5 then like 20 days for Torp 5.

Its probably just me.

You are thinking of Shield Control.

the problem is that people are currently maxed out in certain things, and the game isn't even out of beta yet. CCP wants this to be a thing that will last, and that won't happen if you can max a weapon by throwing 3-4 skills to 5.

See the problem is that people are currently maxed out in certain things, and the game isn't even out of beta yet. CCP wants this to be a thing that will last, and that won't happen if you can max a weapon by throwing 3-4 skills to 5.

New dropships with front mounted turrets could be interesting: http://i.imgur.com/9GkOzGU.jpg?1

I'm just wondering if the Medium suit is going to be able to carry Heavy Weapons because the only other Heavy suit is the Amarr and Sentinel Heavy Suit that is listed right now... Anyone have info on the Medium suits?

Medium suits are assaults and logis.
Heavy suits are.. well... heavies.

Dropship shopping list:

• Myron: 220,000
Turrets:

• Scattered Neutron Blaster: 116,000
• Scattered Neutron Blaster: 116,000
High Slots:

• Clarity Shield Booster: 52,000*
• Azeotropic Shield Extender: 50,000*
• Azeotropic Shield Extender: 50,000*
• Azeotropic Shield Extender: 50,000*
Low Slots:

• Local Power Diagnostic Unit: 36,000*
• Local Power Diagnostic Unit: 36,000*

*Starred prices may be incorrect

All in all, the actual bill is 726,000 ISK. All of these modules are the best you can get of their group. I just can't make any money flying this thing, so I'm screwing around in a Gunnlogi these days.

I'm just wanting to make sure other people are seeing what i'm seeing, Heavy is only going to be offered as a Sentinel and Heavy with Amarr?

I'm not sure what you're saying.

Amarr is going to be the only Racial option for a Heavy? Yes or No?

Skill that effect vehicles and vehicles operations plz

nvm

Watch this space...

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Nice ninja edit, I was almost done typing too...

Heavy skills please.

If you have a request for something specific, just ask!

Upon laying eyes on the vehicle trees; that's a very broad request. Could you be more specific?

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I want to know a couple of things:

What's the bonuses for the Enforcer HAV's?

Is the Marudar module in?

Is the Pilot Suit here?

Have they put in Miminatar and Amarr HAV's?

Have they put in Miminatar and Amarr turrets?

If the Pilot Suit is here, can you tell me its bonuses?

Thx......

If they force players to spend even more time to get into a role then this is really bad for new players. Eve might get away with that but FPS players dont have the patient to play 6 months to be efficent. And in my opinion making the gameplay for vehicle players harder is just a very bad move from CCP. You have to think about the fact AV players can aswell have very good normal infantry gear at the same time while vehicle users will be cut off and end up with very poor infantry equipment. If this is the case i just spec into the next best assault suit, get proto swarms and proto AV grenades and kill a maxed out tank in 10 secs. If the proto packed av grenades didnt do the job then 1 shot from the proto swarm will be enough to finish him off. If this is the case i want that only heavys have the capabilty to fit AV grenades, swarm launchers, forgeguns and plasma launchers. Just fair in my opinion. AV= heavy and thats it. No other suit class should then be allowed to get AV weapons on their dropsuit.

I want to know a couple of things:

He, well done OP for posting this here last night after I posted the link in IRC.

I just came to do so now, and made a new thread before I noticed this one :))

I want to like the Minmatar Scout, but that melee / nova knife bonus will be useless if they didn't fix melee

As expected, they ****** over pilots. Thank you anyways..... +1

Has anyone noticed that you can't see the Scout details in the skills!

there aren't any probably.

CCP hates scouts if you haven't noticed.

Good god(in) man; this reminds me of that "MY RAVEN WAS EQUIPPED WITH THE FOLLOWING" thread that one time on the EVE forum.

http://i.imgur.com/ezQdCGY.png?2

WTF, why is that on there?

wth? Why is my post popping up so much?

dont like the bonus on the amarr assault suit

with the current state of laser rifles doing same amount of damage to armor as the do to shields this suit will push the LR to the very very op catagory

go on some one say it im QQing but its true ive used them the damage is currently equal even tho the info popup on the target says different

Good god(in) man; this reminds me of that "MY RAVEN WAS EQUIPPED WITH THE FOLLOWING" thread that one time on the EVE forum.

I don't understand why people care about enforcer HAVs- assault dropships are the big reveal here.

I don't understand why people care about enforcer HAVs- assault dropships are the big reveal here.

gallente assault OP, if it has comparable shields to caldari assault the -5% CPU/PG reduction to hybrid weaponry is ridiculous, much better than 2% faster reloading

all depends on base shields and CPU/PG of the suit really, but if gallente assault has similar CPU/PG then you're going to be able to cram so much proto **** in 1 suit it'll be ridiculous

Makes me wonder what weapons fall into the "hybrid" category.

ARs, specially the Caldari Gauss Rifle, shotguns, snipers, forge guns...

dont like the bonus on the amarr assault suit

with the current state of laser rifles doing same amount of damage to armor as the do to shields this suit will push the LR to the very very op catagory

go on some one say it im QQing but its true ive used them the damage is currently equal even tho the info popup on the target says different

gallente assault OP, if it has comparable shields to caldari assault the -5% CPU/PG reduction to weaponry is ridiculous, much better than 2% faster reloading

It's almost like CCP doesn't realize 2% of 2 seconds is 40 milliseconds, or - assuming the games runs at 30 fps - about 1 frame.

dont like the bonus on the amarr assault suit

with the current state of laser rifles doing same amount of damage to armor as the do to shields this suit will push the LR to the very very op catagory

go on some one say it im QQing but its true ive used them the damage is currently equal even tho the info popup on the target says different

That's a total of 10% on top of the 40% you can get on a weapon. Giving you a 50% reduction in reload time.

Not every weapon has a low reload time. The bonus could be increased a little considering how each weapon has it's own reload skill... which is still like what? but anyways, don't under estimate reload time.

So what are the race benefits for logistics?

Where does the 40% come from?

And regardless, I'm not saying that reload time is bad, it can be good when sufficient enough. But if we're just talking about these suits and what bonuses you had, 10% is still only 1/5th of a second on a standard assault rifle, or 6 frames. Yeah stacked on that 40% it makes it 50% which would be quite noticeable, but would you rather have that reduction of 6 frames for reload or a 25% reduction in hybrid weapon CPU/PG?

Where does the 40% come from?

And regardless, I'm not saying that reload time is bad, it can be good when sufficient enough. But if we're just talking about these suits and what bonuses you had, 10% is still only 1/5th of a second on a standard assault rifle, or 6 frames. Yeah stacked on that 40% it makes it 50% which would be quite noticeable, but would you rather have that reduction of 6 frames for reload or a 25% reduction in hybrid weapon CPU/PG?

Someone with access to the damage numbers and fire rates, how much damage could someone do with your typical assault rifle in 1/5th of a second?

True, I guess we'll have too see what kind of fittings everything has.

also I didn't log in to check I thought it was like 5% faster reload per level and then 3% per level... so 25+15%+10%?

maybe it should be increased to 3% per level for the suit bonus, but I will make up my mind when may 6th rolls around

I use a pistol. specifically a standard breach(one more upgrade and i get advanced level breaches) so... 115 with no points in weaponry(mine's maxed), and not counting my two complex mods, and not getting a headshot.

Anyony knows if sisi is up ?

Oh come on, I could of said I use a forge gun so you are dead regardless of what you are wearing. Of course one of those bullets could of happened to hit during the 6 frames, but what's the pistol's rate of fire? How much time passes between shots? Less than 1/5th of a second?


Already responded to someone with a similar argument a few posts up. Yes the summation of all reload reductions is nice, but when you single it out it is still only 1/5th of a second on a standard AR. I can wear a suit with better bonuses and still get all those other reload bonuses, I'd only be at a 1/5th of a second disadvantage. I know this is a shooter and every moment counts but that is pretty negligible.

Also didn't someone confirm that they add and not multiply?

Oh come on, I could of said I use a forge gun so you are dead regardless of what you are wearing. Of course one of those bullets could of happened to hit during the 6 frames, but what's the pistol's rate of fire? How much time passes between shots? Less than 1/5th of a second?

Eleven pages and no response from the Devs? Come on, Devs. Can you at least try to troll us?

You guys do realize it's the weekend right? You know, that time where some people (especially those who sit in front of computers all week) go and hang out with friends? Off the computer?

Plus, you guys seem to be answering each others questions. What the hell am I needed for?

We're guessing, if you answer a question we can take it as official info and will make assumptions based on it, also if you're wrong we can screenshot it and bash you with it later

See I thought this was the planetary conquest dev blog feedback thread. I derped.

Sooooooooo, can you answer anything about new skill system since you have derped into the thread already?

No, it is not something I work on so not something I comment on or talk about. :)

No, it is not something I work on so not something I comment on or talk about. :)

If you won't talk about things you don't work on we'll have to go bug Punkturis since she is responsible for ALL things at CCP (that she doesn't work on) and she's supposed to be busy tending to her clone. Think of her clone.

A little confusion. Are the racial suit skills actually race specific? If not , lets say, if i were to train up all the logisic suit skills to lvl 5 for each race, would that mean I would get a 20/hp armor repair rate when I wear a logi suit?

For some reason, the Marauders aren't showing. Oh well, they needed to be fixed anyway. I hope they come back godly. Also, the range bonus for Enforcers is kind of useless... unless they give them ungodly scopes. I would like to see ungodly scopes. Also, when are we getting a dev blog on these things? I really am looking forward to it.

Oh great no marauders? Yes CCP keep punishing vehicle users. Not just that shield/armor modules are going to require its own skill, no the CPU/PG skills are seperated from the dropsuits aswell. Just GTFO!

NO! NO NOT COOL! I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE! It even made it into my post. THAT IS NOT COOL! Nor is it fair! STOP THAT!

Reav Hannari you are a horrible and you should feel bad.

WARBLEGARBLE ANGRYTANKER SCREECH

Maybe an 'aur reset for commercial release' skill?

why is it that you tankers think you need to be totally immortal unless an entire squad rolls up with complex dam mod stacked proto gear to take out a standard level tank?

do you see me whine when I go 3/7 burning your asses to the ground, hunting you across the field with my AV? no, because I know the risk of keeping a swarm launcher to fight you and that realistically, there will probably be an enemy encounter that isn't a vehicle between me and you.

know what the risk is to a tank? Kittening NOTHING short of a dedicated av player, the blueberries growing a collective brain, or another, BETTER tank.

RARARA PISSED OFF AV USER SPEECH

Good job ignoring everything I just said.

Good to see you doing the same, this is why AV and Vehicles will never be balanced properly.

Honestly, I think it is pretty well off now. Swarms might be a litttttle OP but they need more of a tweek than a nerf.

Bottom line, I am happy with AV and Tanks right now.

yeah, but the tankers aren't. they want to go back to the old beta where tanks were mega overpowered and required a coordinated squad to take down a standard level, standard fitted(Nothing higher than advanced) tank.