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Delirium Inferno wrote:

crazy space 1 wrote:

Delirium Inferno wrote:

King Kobrah wrote:

gallente assault OP, if it has comparable shields to caldari assault the -5% CPU/PG reduction to weaponry is ridiculous, much better than 2% faster reloading

It's almost like CCP doesn't realize 2% of 2 seconds is 40 milliseconds, or - assuming the games runs at 30 fps - about 1 frame.

That's a total of 10% on top of the 40% you can get on a weapon. Giving you a 50% reduction in reload time.

Not every weapon has a low reload time. The bonus could be increased a little considering how each weapon has it's own reload skill... which is still like what? but anyways, don't under estimate reload time.

Where does the 40% come from?

And regardless, I'm not saying that reload time is bad, it can be good when sufficient enough. But if we're just talking about these suits and what bonuses you had, 10% is still only 1/5th of a second on a standard assault rifle, or 6 frames. Yeah stacked on that 40% it makes it 50% which would be quite noticeable, but would you rather have that reduction of 6 frames for reload or a 25% reduction in hybrid weapon CPU/PG?


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Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 107	Posted - 2013.04.06 06:56:00 - [1] - Quote Delirium Inferno wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: Delirium Inferno wrote: King Kobrah wrote: gallente assault OP, if it has comparable shields to caldari assault the -5% CPU/PG reduction to weaponry is ridiculous, much better than 2% faster reloading It's almost like CCP doesn't realize 2% of 2 seconds is 40 milliseconds, or - assuming the games runs at 30 fps - about 1 frame. That's a total of 10% on top of the 40% you can get on a weapon. Giving you a 50% reduction in reload time. Not every weapon has a low reload time. The bonus could be increased a little considering how each weapon has it's own reload skill... which is still like what? but anyways, don't under estimate reload time. Where does the 40% come from? And regardless, I'm not saying that reload time is bad, it can be good when sufficient enough. But if we're just talking about these suits and what bonuses you had, 10% is still only 1/5th of a second on a standard assault rifle, or 6 frames. Yeah stacked on that 40% it makes it 50% which would be quite noticeable, but would you rather have that reduction of 6 frames for reload or a 25% reduction in hybrid weapon CPU/PG? reload. those six frames are frames I'm shooting you that you're reloading. and if it really does stack to 50% the caldari suit will have an advantage in prolonged firefights due to that reload speed. More bullets downrange means more dead hostiles.
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 107	Posted - 2013.04.06 07:18:00 - [2] - Quote Delirium Inferno wrote: Someone with access to the damage numbers and fire rates, how much damage could someone do with your typical assault rifle in 1/5th of a second? I use a pistol. specifically a standard breach(one more upgrade and i get advanced level breaches) so... 115 with no points in weaponry(mine's maxed), and not counting my two complex mods, and not getting a headshot.
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 109	Posted - 2013.04.06 19:40:00 - [3] - Quote Delirium Inferno wrote: Oh come on, I could of said I use a forge gun so you are dead regardless of what you are wearing. Of course one of those bullets could of happened to hit during the 6 frames, but what's the pistol's rate of fire? How much time passes between shots? Less than 1/5th of a second? actually forge guns need to charge for that 5th of a second. so I still shoot you twice with my slow little breach pistol and drop your heavy arse before you can fire your forge(forge users can't dance to avoid a headshot, and heavies have heads too big to miss)
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 129	Posted - 2013.04.08 05:13:00 - [4] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: WARBLEGARBLE ANGRYTANKER SCREECH why is it that you tankers think you need to be totally immortal unless an entire squad rolls up with complex dam mod stacked proto gear to take out a standard level tank? do you see me whine when I go 3/7 burning your asses to the ground, hunting you across the field with my AV? no, because I know the risk of keeping a swarm launcher to fight you and that realistically, there will probably be an enemy encounter that isn't a vehicle between me and you. know what the risk is to a tank? Kittening NOTHING short of a dedicated av player, the blueberries growing a collective brain, or another, BETTER tank.
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 129	Posted - 2013.04.08 05:44:00 - [5] - Quote Noting that my AV fit is an advanced swarm with stacked Complex damage mods and I pride myself on having these god level tanks you talk about run scared from me. ever seen one man redline a tank and keep it there? I've done that(though that guy was a massive wuss, it would have taken me 4-ish shots to kill him and he started running the moment he saw a single swarm). I take the high ground and observe the terrain so I can shoot around it to hit you. Even if I don't kill you, keep you hiding, away from my team until the rest of them get around and nuke your arse into the next decade. Or until the end of the game, I have nanohives. this fit costs me around 50k isk every time I die, and if you have someone on your team coming to take me out, I can blow right through 500k a game just to watch you burn. please tell me about how what I do is so very cheap compared to what you do. oh, and my militia grade tanks have proto mods on them. I bring them out rarely as I'm not the best driver.
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 129	Posted - 2013.04.08 05:50:00 - [6] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: RARARA PISSED OFF AV USER SPEECH Good job ignoring everything I just said. Good to see you doing the same, this is why AV and Vehicles will never be balanced properly.
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 129	Posted - 2013.04.08 05:58:00 - [7] - Quote XXfootnoteXX wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: RARARA PISSED OFF AV USER SPEECH Good job ignoring everything I just said. Good to see you doing the same, this is why AV and Vehicles will never be balanced properly. Honestly, I think it is pretty well off now. Swarms might be a litttttle OP but they need more of a tweek than a nerf. Bottom line, I am happy with AV and Tanks right now. yeah, but the tankers aren't. they want to go back to the old beta where tanks were mega overpowered and required a coordinated squad to take down a standard level, standard fitted(Nothing higher than advanced) tank.
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 129	Posted - 2013.04.08 06:06:00 - [8] - Quote eeyup. I mostly just take offense to someone thinking that they should automatically win a fight because their toy is fancier. Like that one friend everyone had as a kid who always tried to cheat at rock paper scissors by saying they had a grenade or some bullkitten thing. I stopped having that friend after a short while.
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 130	Posted - 2013.04.08 06:13:00 - [9] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: They do not seem overpowered but instead they are overpowered with the argument "its a tank" to rationalize a OHK. Well wheres my 1M ISK javelin to get a OHK on any tank.?? Sounds fair to me in that if the HAV user spends 1M isk for OHK capability then give me the same option to also spend 1M ISK to OHK a tank. Wheres my 1M ISK Javelin?? according to them you should also have to spec into that weapon and absolutely nothing else.
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 130	Posted - 2013.04.08 06:25:00 - [10] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Everything must be skilled into fine, then tanks must also have different driving skills by model, lets separate hybrid into blaster and railgun. You don't share shield control with dropsuits, or field mechanics. and you now need to have a separate of every skill for every type of tank. so you're totally locked into whatever you pick first unless you're willing to play for years on end to have a second choice ready.

Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 130	Posted - 2013.04.08 06:37:00 - [11] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Everything must be skilled into fine, then tanks must also have different driving skills by model, lets separate hybrid into blaster and railgun. You don't share shield control with dropsuits, or field mechanics. and you now need to have a separate of every skill for every type of tank. so you're totally locked into whatever you pick first unless you're willing to play for years on end to have a second choice ready. I could live with that and thats CCP's long term plan anyway. So what would change? currently, everything would.
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 130	Posted - 2013.04.08 06:46:00 - [12] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: The dark cloud wrote: AV's should only be fited onto dropsuits which allow you to fit AV weapons You should only be allowed to call in tanks if you're wearing a tank driving suit That too!
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 130	Posted - 2013.04.08 07:07:00 - [13] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Sore infantry player much? other way around, tank drivers are salty that infantry can spec into av easily. even though that's on top of whatever they would be regularly putting points into, and specialized fittings made specifically to counter vehicles. to kill vehicles we have to give up infantry killing ability(forge guns notwithstanding) as they are incapable of harming infantry players. what do tanks give up to fight other tanks or infantry? NOTHING. they can kill everything effectively without giving up anything against either.
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 131	Posted - 2013.04.08 07:19:00 - [14] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Just you wait. Because ive mentioned and suggested this CCP is going to implement it at some point. You wanna know why? Cause it would extend the games lifetime. Sure it wont be with the new build that we get soon. But probs after that. CCP introduced quite alot of my suggestions into the game. LIke the fix for TAC AR' and the added recoil on normal AR'S. All my soloutions to "balance" the game. and when they do that, I'll still spec into AV and blow you up, and you'll still scream out for nerfs, CCP shall look down upon the chaos and whisper: "SOONGäó"