A good tank costs far more than a standard AV user. Furthermore, that tech level argument doesn't actually work, since Advanced HAVs are nothing special and Prototype HAVs don't exist. Either way, he isn't arguing about dedicated AV users, he is arguing that he spends many skills to use a HAV and anyone can effectively use AV. Sure, one AV user doesn't scare a tanker, but once one comes out others are going to follow. Swarm launchers are the worst. Why? Because they work best against HAVs on flat, open ground, which is where HAVs are supposed to work well at. And they don't require skill unless the HAV is hiding behind something. Just lock and fire. No aiming necessary. On the other side, HAVs are beasts, but if you don't know how to pilot one you are screwed. The fact that it requires so many skill points is bad, too.

Do you know why HAVs seem so overpowered? It is because HAVs are expensive, and only the truly great ones are fielded. It would be a waste otherwise. Those so called "standard-level tanks"? They are fitted with Prototype modules in many circumstances. Hardly comparable to a Standard dropsuit.

They do not seem overpowered but instead they are overpowered with the argument "its a tank" to rationalize a OHK.
Well wheres my 1M ISK javelin to get a OHK on any tank.??

Sounds fair to me in that if the HAV user spends 1M isk for OHK capability then give me the same option to also spend 1M ISK to OHK a tank.

Wheres my 1M ISK Javelin??

Everything must be skilled into

fine, then tanks must also have different driving skills by model, lets separate hybrid into blaster and railgun. You don't share shield control with dropsuits, or field mechanics. and you now need to have a separate of every skill for every type of tank.

so you're totally locked into whatever you pick first unless you're willing to play for years on end to have a second choice ready.

I could live with that and thats CCP's long term plan anyway. So what would change?

AV's should only be fited onto dropsuits which allow you to fit AV weapons

You should only be allowed to call in tanks if you're wearing a tank driving suit

Solo tank driver can only move tank or activate reppers with NO guns.
Two in a tank then all of the above and ONLY main gun fires.
Three in a tank and all of the above plus the small turrets fire.

Sounds fair.

Takes three infantry to kill a tank then it needs to be three infantry to operate it.

Nope tanks aint becoming another "dropship". And you sir sound mad that i recommend equal SP investment. Sore infantry player much?

Sore infantry player much?

They do not seem overpowered but instead they are overpowered with the argument "its a tank" to rationalize a OHK.
Well wheres my 1M ISK javelin to get a OHK on any tank.??

Sounds fair to me in that if the HAV user spends 1M isk for OHK capability then give me the same option to also spend 1M ISK to OHK a tank.

Wheres my 1M ISK Javelin??

Its a 2500 WP OB.

Why would tanks and AV require the same SP investment? Can an AV player survive 15 people shooting them with an AR?

Things that can seriously hurt a tank: Forge Guns, Swarm Launchers, AV grenades, Orbital Strikes
Things that can hurt AV: everything in the game minus Swarm Launchers and AV grenades.

other way around, tank drivers are salty that infantry can spec into av easily. even though that's on top of whatever they would be regularly putting points into, and specialized fittings made specifically to counter vehicles.

to kill vehicles we have to give up infantry killing ability(forge guns notwithstanding) as they are incapable of harming infantry players. what do tanks give up to fight other tanks or infantry? NOTHING. they can kill everything effectively without giving up anything against either.

I've seen tanks just sit through OBS.

Just you wait. Because ive mentioned and suggested this CCP is going to implement it at some point. You wanna know why? Cause it would extend the games lifetime. Sure it wont be with the new build that we get soon. But probs after that. CCP introduced quite alot of my suggestions into the game. LIke the fix for TAC AR' and the added recoil on normal AR'S. All my soloutions to "balance" the game.

and when they do that, I'll still spec into AV and blow you up, and you'll still scream out for nerfs, CCP shall look down upon the chaos and whisper: "SOONGäó"

except the fix for TAC AR is a non-sense as it became pretty much unusable giving it a huuuge recoil insted of just lowering RoF. And the missing recoil to AR was just a glitch, they were always supposed to have some. BUT, weird enough, the better your AR is, the worst the recoil is.

Making using exile AR still as easy as cake.

Anyway, not like you were the only one asking for those things ^^

Just you wait. Because ive mentioned and suggested this CCP is going to implement it at some point. You wanna know why? Cause it would extend the games lifetime. Sure it wont be with the new build that we get soon. But probs after that. CCP introduced quite alot of my suggestions into the game. LIke the fix for TAC AR' and the added recoil on normal AR'S. All my soloutions to "balance" the game.

My AV fit costs 75K. If I lose just 3 then I've already lost 225K, which is probably more than I'l make in a match considering I'm focusing on the tank and not getting much WP otherwise. I'm pretty much guaranteed to die at least 3 times if the tank has decent infantry support, and I can guarantee that I won't do much damage to a tank if I don't have other AV players helping me either.

So even if you did lose a 2 million ISK tank, I can almost guarantee that your tank did more ISK damage to my team than we did to you, unless we we're all using militia fits of course.

Edit: The sad part is that I do think tanks are slightly UP, but since they can be called into Ambush, where they're pretty much guaranteed to have very little opposition, they can suck it.

If they change the main gun on tanks so it can only kill other tanks and installations then i can go with big sp investments in av infantry. If you need 6 mill sp to have a good swarm luncher thats only effects havs , lavs and installations. Thats more like it i think