If they cannot win a fight against us why should they hold things?

Its a difficult system to balance because if you go too far one way you will see small corps with most if not all of their members getting into fights regularly while the larger corps will have large groups of people who only get in 1 or 2 battles while everyone else lazes about doing nothing. But if you go to the other extreme larger corps will just zerg the smaller ones meaning that we will end up with a system where the largest corp wins through numbers.

This is what is happening in Eve.

Nullsec is a big zerg of idiots, making that same thing occur in Dust514 would be a really bad thing.

How many skilled players would continue to play if they win every match yet lose the war because of a poorly designed mechanic?

Like you said adapt or die.... Find more recruit , yes that bring your elitism a bit lower but if you want more you need to have more clone, and you dont need to be more than your opponent because your corp is the best, so whats your point hold anything in 3 month? Why playing then?

Like you said adapt or die.... Find more recruit , yes that bring your elitism a bit lower but if you want more you need to have more clone, and you dont need to be more than your opponent because your corp is the best, so whats your point hold anything in 3 month? Why playing then?

Like you said adapt or die.... Find more recruit , yes that bring your elitism a bit lower but if you want more you need to have more clone, and you dont need to be more than your opponent because your corp is the best, so whats your point hold anything in 3 month? Why playing then?

Maybe you should just go join Goons or Dreddit now then?

I dont play eve and i have nothing against you, i just bring a different point of view, i can understand you dont like it, my goal is to have a healthy game

The really nice thing about our design is that (hopefully) it will let small corps hold a small part of space and big corps can own a big part and better corps will own more for their size.

This is in contrast to EVE which allows massive force projection, so the bigger alliances just own everything. Smaller entities do exist but only because they are allowed to, not because they legitimately took it and defend their territory against overwhelming numbers.

It's exciting stuff, more details are on the way.

i like the idea of having an undermanned corp hiring an elite corp of 50 guys, these guys are essential to holding a certain district and they wont budge at all no matter how many people are flung at them. Kind of like the whole "300" deal with spartans vs persians ect ect.....

Im also really interested in the qaulity of gear that'll be used in this game during sov warfare. Will EVERYONE have proto gear, or will corps just be too big for that sort of thing??? i remember the games that i played two days before the last wipe, and EVERYONE was using their proto suits, Those days were amazingly fun because it really came down to skill in a lot of situations.

The really nice thing about our design is that (hopefully) it will let small corps hold a small part of space and big corps can own a big part and better corps will own more for their size.

This is in contrast to EVE which allows massive force projection, so the bigger alliances just own everything. Smaller entities do exist but only because they are allowed to, not because they legitimately took it and defend their territory against overwhelming numbers.

It's exciting stuff, more details are on the way.

But if we go by that logic PRO will win everything because they have the numbers to throw at districts repeatedly until they finally take them over.

This is what is happening in Eve.

Nullsec is a big zerg of idiots, making that same thing occur in Dust514 would be a really bad thing.

How many skilled players would continue to play if they win every match yet lose the war because of a poorly designed mechanic?

Red tides to win means resource cost.

Most obviously in clones, if your 24 cheapo fit militia players are up against my 12 (2 squads) of prototype fit players, you're gonna be spending big on clones (our (implant-less) meatsacks all cost the same, but you have to have more to have a chance at winning). If we're also taking down your cheap equipment as soon as it lands and shooting down your cheap MCCs as soon as possible, you're gonna be fighting resource loss. Not to mention the home field advantage, knowing the good spots (say, a mass driver resupply-drop uplink-revive logi and a sniper/scanner fit scout on a roof locking down a primary chokepoint built in PI mode that your cheapo militia snipers can't even reach). Sure, one of my men is worth thousands of yours, but each one of them might go through multiple battles without even going into armor.

If you field a full 336 man deployment to tackle all 14 of my districts at once, I can pick and choose what is most important (probably, in this case, clone and equipment stockpiles), defend that, and wait for reinforcements.

I see no reason why attrition shouldn't be a viable tactic. It's just important to make sure it's not the ONLY viable tactic.

Just make sure you put in district transfer in dust ASAP.

-districts can be taken and sold off. Just like mercs can be paid to take a planet. There isn't 100% chance they will. Selling a district afterward is just another market for stuff. Dust needs this economy function

If you're winning all your matches, but LOSING at the larger metagame, that's your own fault as a corp.

pretty sure Nullarbor just confirmed on IRC that zergin is indeed a terrible tactic in how sov will work for DUST lol

My point being that as a planet is taken that there is some sense of progression or strategy as we pick maps and districts moving across.

Having the entire map open constantly for idiots to zerg it would pretty much ruin the game.

A corp or alliance should be able to succeed in taking and holding a planet without having to "blue" half of dust514.

This is the big problem in nullsec in Eve and replicating that stupidity in this game would be a huge failure.

pretty sure Nullarbor just confirmed on IRC that zergin is indeed a terrible tactic in how sov will work for DUST lol

I always thought taking a planet was going to be like playing Risk. We look over a map ahead of time in the war barge.

a guy sits in the mcc overlooking all the districts like a world map and distributes the needed equipment into strategic locations. Just like risk but instead of a roll of the dice the soldiers on the ground determine the outcome.

This would give rise to some grand master tactians calling the larger picture, but the individual batles by district are handled by the core of 24 mercs on the ground with there leaders by squad platoon etc.

So if 14 districts are needed to hold the planet a batlle could start in any of the 14 depending on location resources to nab, or other strategic needs, then a battle unfolds to the next district that it touches like we see when we zoom out on the maps( Game play similar to the original map in the first build.) After all the null cannons are flipped and helled simultaneously for a certain amount of time or clones depleted the battle moves to the next district.

Now the null cannons are out of the way the mcc can move up keeping us supplied. If not drop ships will need to be used to get troops further in with up links until the mcc can drop more crus and turret defenses, etc.

These battles become wars of attrition

I always thought taking a planet was going to be like playing Risk. We look over a map ahead of time in the war barge.

a guy sits in the mcc overlooking all the districts like a world map and distributes the needed equipment into strategic locations. Just like risk but instead of a roll of the dice the soldiers on the ground determine the outcome.

This would give rise to some grand master tactians calling the larger picture, but the individual batles by district are handled by the core of 24 mercs on the ground with there leaders by squad platoon etc.

So if 14 districts are needed to hold the planet a batlle could start in any of the 14 depending on location resources to nab, or other strategic needs, then a battle unfolds to the next district that it touches like we see when we zoom out on the maps( Game play similar to the original map in the first build.) After all the null cannons are flipped and helled simultaneously for a certain amount of time or clones depleted the battle moves to the next district.

Now the null cannons are out of the way the mcc can move up keeping us supplied. If not drop ships will need to be used to get troops further in with up links until the mcc can drop more crus and turret defenses, etc.

These battles become wars of attrition

Still the whole quick to call zerg strategy should not be lauded at.

A mercenary corp that wants to do the land grab game is not going to be able to hold off a 2000-3000 player alliance without similar manning. Now mind you having a 2000-3000 player alliance and fielding operations every day for all of them WILL BE expensive. Something the small 24 man clan wont have to worry about. Hell they don't have to worry about buying a warbarge. The 2000-3000 needs the warbarges to be able to force project.