c'mon who do you play tau? eldar? space marines, imperial guard?

and bones the gameplay isn't persistent you're right but the meta game is, and there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to go "hey lets hit this district tonight" and be able to attack it, if we went with your idea you could end up with a situation where you have enough players to attack the district now but you can't launch an attack for 12+ hours. the same is also true of the defending corp.

If you are in a situation where you have a nice team ready to play right then and there, you look through contracts which are set to go off soon and accept one of those and get some ISK.

The only realistic way to get a full 24v24 (or higher?) match between attackers and defenders is to have the match scheduled with a pretty large amount of time to prepare.

If you can just attack instantly, how will a defending EVE corp ever be able to find a DUST merc corp to come defend their district in time? How would any CORP that wants to engage in merc activities, but not actually take and own districts, be able to find attack or defense contracts and adequately prepare for them under a non delayed approach?

Well keep in mind you dont have to be there to defend your district, you can contract it out, thats the only option for a lot of EVE corps who wont have a heavy footing in DUST.

So you have an 8 hour delay, that gives the UK corp plenty of time to see the attack and find a mercenary group to contract out the defense to.

A lot of the ideas seem to sort of ignore that there are really 4 parties in play. Two corps contracting out work, and two taking it on. Yes, in some cases the corp may do its own work, but not in all, especially when we talk about the EVE-DUst relationship.

while the mechanic may be there you have to think of the practicallity and how consistantly this would occur. Griefers like me will work out ways to abuse timers.

when I say consistancy I can just point to the dustOB channel. The first month or so there where so many eve toons wanting to help and try this out. Now very few if any are interested.

There has to be prolonged motivation and just having timers to prepare can and will be brutal. Also for the record we don't plan to own districts at all, just bash them for people. That said, I still have great concern for the mechanics and motivation invovled here and just want the best for the game and those that want to own districts

Vulnerability windows are just fine ie (one 3 hour period every 36-72 hours).

Players can be even in the middle of attacking someone else, pubstomping hisec , pve or just raiding someone else.

Attack comes up and some part of the team responds (sees its real) and the rest come in as the fight starts.

While I would love to discuss this, I would rather keep (and it is tough to say this) keep this thread on topic. :)

I'm would hate to in a middle of a corp batle to find someone attacking my district and its undefended. I have no issue with scheduling a head of time to battle. Its fair to all parties to do that.

As the example I gave earlier what if a corp from the UK wakes up saturday morning at 8 am their time (3 am mine) and schedule an attack for my district even 4 hours later which is noon their time and 7 am my time.

so just having a delay of 4 hours would make little difference.

how about if it was an 8 hour delay. So the UK guys schedule it for 8 am their time on a monday morning. We find out sunday night that we have a corp battle to defend our district at 3 am. Again still the schedule delay does little to help the fact we aren't there to fight.

Trust me if thats they way we are going I will be able to grief corp after corp using shell corporations. You could just spam attack contracts and show up and take the districts where you have no resistance and get free districts/loot.

As I said to FoxFour I'll put up my indepth ideas with example later on (need to finish work for the day first )

This is based off the assumption that it is only one match to take a District. What if it's a single match to take a single PI node. If each match occurred every 2 hours then taking a District would take 44 hours in this example. That's enough time for you to respond and repel the invaders.

Its still not the best, you will lose nodes to attacks while you sleep, but it means that neither attacker, nor defender, get the time advantage. But one bad match doesn't lose you the entire District.

Honestly I can't see how 1 match would take a district. Yes I am making an assumption there. The idea of just "scheduling" or a few hours notices is just broke idea to me.

No to the PI node Idea and having matches occuring every 2 hours. This would make taking 1 district impossible grind and not worth it financially. I understand what you were suggesting but it just wont work.

Ill be putting up my alliegiance model later on

I'm new to the discussion, but as I see it the devs are going to have to make planetary ownership more expensive overall if they want DUST to be an ISK sink for EVE.

My reasoning;

It has to be cheaper for an EVE corp to employ DUST mercs than to just use their own ships to battle it out.

It there is no economic incentive it won't happen, and if there is an economic incentive it will be a net ISK gain for EVE.


So if no economic incentive curretnly exists to encourage hiring mercs, CCP has to add one.

They could increase the total cost of taking a planet with EVE resources only, or they could outright make it impossible if the other side hired mercs to defend it.

Then hiring mercs would end up costing EVE corps more than they spent in the past, but not as much as not hiring mercs.

[quote=Free Beers]The main point I was trying to make is that one match shouldn't decide if you win or lose a District.

CCP FoxFour, what's your thoughts on seasonal Forge Guns that shoot fireworks instead of live ammunition?

oh god yes

and swarm!

My MD too, oh please! 4meter snow blizzard splash !

What about this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEx_7PapY_c

This warms my heart.

I know it has been said many times, because it is important and a good point, that Dust and EVE must take baby steps into integration to maintain the stability of both games.

I fully admit to being overzealous when it comes to wanting a stronger connection between the two games. I also understand CCP has to be very careful when merging the two to make sure that each can stand on it's own in the catastrophic event that one of the other dies.

That being said...

I want all the things!

I try not to approach it from an EVE-centric, or a Dust-centric viewpoint. I try to have a more New Eden-centric viewpoint. I don't think either game is in danger of failscading into non-existence, but I DO think that the interaction between the two is probably the most fascinating selling point for both titles.

If I had it my way, all Dust characters could do everything EVE characters could do, and vise verse. I want to be able to buy and place CRUs in EVE, and station trade in Dust. I know this is what's being worked towards, and is probably a big part of the "10 Year Plan," so I am working on my patience skill (injected, still not trained).

I think district ownership is one of those areas of both games where CCP can start "testing the waters," if you will, on interfaces that effect both the EVE, and the Dust client (and thus New Eden as a whole).

Personally, I'd love to see all new features added into both games take into consideration their respective counterparts. I imagine this will become more important as time goes on and both games become more fully connected.

...Still super excited for this next update

It won't.

just as idea to throw out, while not simply allow corps to steal stuff from other corps, this gives other corps an incentive to fight and defend.

this could be achieved by limiting how much stuff a dust player can acquire and must rent out space in a warehouse or something.so if you want lots of gear best get into a corp, want some shiny new toys without paying for it, steal it from someone.

just a base idea but taking something that does not belong to you, is the base cause for most of human conflict

What about this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEx_7PapY_c

CCP FoxFour, what's your thoughts on seasonal Forge Guns that shoot fireworks instead of live ammunition?