By now i'm sure everyone has heard the news of the Playstation 4. With all of those new games we saw at their conference one can only be excited for this coming holiday season. This could also be a dangerous threat to DUST.

It has been almost a year since Dust has been out, and to tell you the truth....It hasn't really improved at all. Lets think about this, i understand it has come a long way and the gameplay has gotten better since the early days. BUT, if you think about Dust as a game it really hasn't made any improvements.

The way i think of it is, CCP has spent the last year doing what? Balancing weapons, balancing vehicles, balancing suits, etc. We have been playing for this long and we have only been able to play.....hmmm....7-10 maps? for a game that talks about 1000+ maps that number is very small. It seems as tho Dust is JUST now beginning to mimic what a FPS is supposed to be. But this seems only recent.

It's time for CCP to pull up their pants. It's time for CCP to get more involved with this community. It's time for us to test things as such as FW and PvE. This stuff NEEDS to come sooner than later. These two things alone will be the key to Dust surviving for years to come. Hell even a roll out of 20 more maps will help keep us satisfied till FW and PvE are implemented. Also, the old skirmish HAS to come back. PERIOD. CCP we need you guys to quit keeping secretes from us all the time. For example, we dont know when and what is going to be in this next big patch. Should i be saving my SP for a new weapon, dropsuit, or vehicle?
I understand that you guys can do what ever you want but in order for this game to survive, ESPECIALLY since PS4 and possible Xbox 720 will be release this holiday, you NEED to keep us as close as possible with more and more info about whats is going on.

You post weekly updates sure, but these things only tell us which issues you are working on. They don't tell us such things as, if it has been fix, and what ideals do you guys have for fixing it. This is a time where we are about to user in a new era with next gen gaming, we should user in a next-gen community as well. Dust 514 should be backed by a seamless connection from DeVs and players.


How does everyone else feel on this? Do you think that you will be more interested in DUST 514 if CCP started releasing more info on whats to come and when? What if we could start a community voting process so we could vote on things we want implemented first? How about CCP telling us more details about what their doing to weapons, suits, and vehicles BEFORE they actually implement these fixes in? For example, CCP has stated that the heavy suit is being changed...to what? what if we dont like the change? If they told us about their ideals first dont you think we as a community can decide on if we think that fix will work?


Last point,
If CCP decides to change something and doesn't tell us, it breeds frustrations to many players if what ever they did doesn't work right. If we had some say so on what the fix should be before it is implemented it doesn't work i believe it puts the blame on us a community not the DEVs. I think this would help eliminate some of the hate towards CCP and make many more players want to get on the forums and state their opinions.

By now i'm sure everyone has heard the news of the Playstation 4. With all of those new games we saw at their conference one can only be excited for this coming holiday season. This could also be a dangerous threat to DUST.

It has been almost a year since Dust has been out, and to tell you the truth....It hasn't really improved at all. Lets think about this, i understand it has come a long way and the gameplay has gotten better since the early days. BUT, if you think about Dust as a game it really hasn't made any improvements.

The way i think of it is, CCP has spent the last year doing what? Balancing weapons, balancing vehicles, balancing suits, etc. We have been playing for this long and we have only been able to play.....hmmm....7-10 maps? for a game that talks about 1000+ maps that number is very small. It seems as tho Dust is JUST now beginning to mimic what a FPS is supposed to be. But this seems only recent.

It's time for CCP to pull up their pants. It's time for CCP to get more involved with this community. It's time for us to test things as such as FW and PvE. This stuff NEEDS to come sooner than later. These two things alone will be the key to Dust surviving for years to come. Hell even a roll out of 20 more maps will help keep us satisfied till FW and PvE are implemented. Also, the old skirmish HAS to come back. PERIOD. CCP we need you guys to quit keeping secretes from us all the time. For example, we dont know when and what is going to be in this next big patch. Should i be saving my SP for a new weapon, dropsuit, or vehicle?
I understand that you guys can do what ever you want but in order for this game to survive, ESPECIALLY since PS4 and possible Xbox 720 will be release this holiday, you NEED to keep us as close as possible with more and more info about whats is going on.

You post weekly updates sure, but these things only tell us which issues you are working on. They don't tell us such things as, if it has been fix, and what ideals do you guys have for fixing it. This is a time where we are about to user in a new era with next gen gaming, we should user in a next-gen community as well. Dust 514 should be backed by a seamless connection from DeVs and players.


How does everyone else feel on this? Do you think that you will be more interested in DUST 514 if CCP started releasing more info on whats to come and when? What if we could start a community voting process so we could vote on things we want implemented first? How about CCP telling us more details about what their doing to weapons, suits, and vehicles BEFORE they actually implement these fixes in? For example, CCP has stated that the heavy suit is being changed...to what? what if we dont like the change? If they told us about their ideals first dont you think we as a community can decide on if we think that fix will work?


Last point,
If CCP decides to change something and doesn't tell us, it breeds frustrations to many players if what ever they did doesn't work right. If we had some say so on what the fix should be before it is implemented it doesn't work i believe it puts the blame on us a community not the DEVs. I think this would help eliminate some of the hate towards CCP and make many more players want to get on the forums and state their opinions.

It has been almost a year since Dust has been out

stopped reading right there, this is not a released game ffs

You have to understand what they mean by the massive number of maps- they'll be (more or less) randomly generated structures. Just what we have now (probably more stuff, ofc) thrown around over big maps.

As far as what CCP has been doing- you're spot on. I've been constantly saying that every major update will just unbalance everything again, so they should just say screw it and wait until we have more things to balance.

Anyway, I hope the stability improvements will allow the door to be opened for larger maps, which will in turn allow for more game modes and vehicles such as fighters.

stopped reading right there, this is not a released game ffs

the starter pack sucks imho because it doesn't give us anything. they are only good towards someone who hasnt spent a day on dust yet.

clearly many people dont understand what beta means

That excuse was acceptable one year ago.

But now it is just that, an excuse.

CCP has NEVER stated this game is no longer beta so that excuse will work just as long as CCP wants it to

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle

That excuse was acceptable one year ago.

But now it is just that, an excuse.

this game is very much released, it has been released since closed beta, people just had to find a beta code which was not hard at all

That excuse will be acceptable until they decide to stop calling it a beta.

When it no longer says 'beta, work in progress' at the top of the screen...........THEN it is officially released. Until then, we are very much still in beta.
when ccp says dust is officially released, then it is officially released (instead of the players definition of release).

clearly many people dont understand what beta means

Bullshit it's acceptable....

When it no longer says 'beta, work in progress' at the top of the screen...........THEN it is officially released. Until then, we are very much still in beta.
when ccp says dust is officially released, then it is officially released (instead of the players definition of release).

Is there a reason why it's not? Are they forcing you to play? Have they forced you to pay any money? No. You're here because you want to to be here, CCP doesn't owe you anything.

clearly many people dont understand what beta means

i have a clear understanding on what "beta" means. unlike YOU i have been playing this "beta" for 8-9 months and we have gotten no where in terms of what sets Dust apart from every other shooter. besides the fact that we now have eve-OBs.
what im trying to say im my OP is since the PS4 and next-gen gaming is approaching faster than expected, its about time this "beta" starts picking up the pace before we all leave to play a game that will work of a PS4 even before Dust comes out of open "beta"

Bullshit they owe me a good game

clearly many people do understand what a beta means. We also know that their is a definite timer on CCP's head now. We told CCP it was too soon to go Open Beta because you're not going to get a chance at a second impression.

Sure the fanboys will stick around but beyond a small core the rest will decay in time. You already see the boredom and complacency sinking in, I mean i watch that intro everyime i load my game because thats what i look forward to the scope and scale promises to be epic.

I get that CCP has a very real 10 year roadmap fine. I get that CCP may be keeping cards close to the vest to prevent IP theft by other developers that are making similar IP's (Destiny among others). And frankly twitter and facebook are nice to keep players engaged alongside IRC but stuff lives and dies here on these forums. Frankly media and marketing needs to single thread all their stuff so it brings all mediums to one common traffic site which should be the CCP blog via Dust website with further in depth new on forums only accessible to players with valid Dust accounts.

You can crack all the jokes you want about how if i were a mature adult id wait patiently. Well i am a mature adult and i do know how to wait patiently but i also don't like to be completely in the dark. As is i have no sense of scope, vision, ideal or grand message to buy into other than

We will have a persistent MMOFFS universe that is a sandbox and cross-platform, You will get to own and run districts(maybe) with planetary soverignty(maybe) etc etc etc and it will all be SoonGäó.


Ok well what is the general roadmap, where do you see this game in 1 mo, 6mo, and 1 year from now. What are the challenges in the way, what as a community can we do to help you realize these goals. You can't ask community to be help beta test and then not engage them. I understand vacations and holidays, but cmon already. Really all we are trying to do is light a fire under CCP's arse because we want them to succeed and we believe in their concept but now its time to reveal a little more of the vision and re-engage us and recapture our imaginations from the disillusion most find themselves in.

I agree, but whether they produce a good game, or not, effects them more than it does you/us. If CCP fails, then CCP fails, we'll just move on and play something else.

thats the point! i dont want that to happen, which is why i made this post hoping CCP will read and start understanding how important it is to keep us close to them

I agree, but whether they produce a good game, or not, effects them more than it does you/us. If CCP fails, then CCP fails, we'll just move on and play something else.

i have a clear understanding on what "beta" means. unlike YOU i have been playing this "beta" for 8-9 months and we have gotten no where in terms of what sets Dust apart from every other shooter. besides the fact that we now have eve-OBs.
what im trying to say im my OP is since the PS4 and next-gen gaming is approaching faster than expected, its about time this "beta" starts picking up the pace before we all leave to play a game that will work of a PS4 even before Dust comes out of open "beta"

I've been here for 2 months, I have the patience of a starving cat

i wish people would stop posting threads like this, Fanfest is about a month away, dev teams are most likely working on their presentations.

One thing at a time.
Everyone wants amazing graphics, huge battles, etc. However, most people don't seem to realize that the game needs to be stable for that to be possible.

Cool story bro?

Anyway, I'm hoping we'll get an update soon, not SoonGäó, since the Devs vacation time is finally over.

what have we been testing this entire time. Weapon and Item balance? A few bugs here and there? It's time to move forward.

I was expecting a weak @ss reply, glad to see you deliver.

we are JUST now getting a partial stable game.

i'm going to take a guess on the ps4 games:

racing game
fighting game
soccer

Actually CCP is probably the most communicative game dev compared to other shooter devs. But yeah, we could use more variation of devs postng ;)

i agree they are but it seems they are going quite at this point in time. even tho they may communicate more than other devs, their communication stills needs to get better because of how fast next-gen is coming. i for one will be buying a PS4 the week it comes out, what will dust do to keep me from playing a next-gen system with graphics on par with high-end pcs? im sure many more people feel the same

Yeah, god forbid the devs try balancing gameplay before they add even more things to it



K, thanks? You should really stop trying to troll. You're not very good at it, and I'm not just saying that because of this thread.

I'm worried that the devs actually take all QQ threads seriously, and that that's one of the reasons it's taking so long to get new content. The bugs still need a lot of work, but gameplay wise, I'd say it's all pretty well balanced. Maybe buff scout suits and the proto heavy suits and that's about it.

I certainly wouldn't be taking the worst troll on this site's opinion about it seriously.

I've actually said this way back asking CCP to get more involved....some clowns thought I was acting privileged but I guess it just depends on who makes the post. But this is important, we don't have any clue what is going on or what or when to expect.

Trying to convinced people to play is hard as it is.....people always comment that this is the longest beta ever and we don't have a release date. We don't know when all of the promised features will be delivered. Hell....we still have only iron sights lol. CCP has to get it together. People are already talking about destiny & defia

As someone who does real programming and has been playing since the first closed beta build;

1) this really is a beta, and stop ******* diluting our vocabulary.
2) you have _no_ appreciation of how much progress each build has shown, which is to be expected from someone who doesn't understand even the basics of software development.
3) it's my professional assessment (rather than pulled from anus, like the rest of you whiners) that they've gotten the game to a point where they are comfortable with the increasing of complexity that comes with introducing new features and such, which is probably why they went open beta this build.

So keep going full ****** cause were pretty close to what should be the first gameplay oriented build in a long time.

So no one is playing it right now??

What we are spending our time in is a core shooter mechanics/server stability/client stability bughunting testbed. There's 3 major builds to go until release.

We are not playing DUST 514. In fact, we don't even know what DUST 514 looks like, and we are essentially clueless as to what the deep game dynamics will be.

As someone who does real programming and has been playing since the first closed beta build;

1) this really is a beta, and stop ******* diluting our vocabulary.
2) you have _no_ appreciation of how much progress each build has shown, which is to be expected from someone who doesn't understand even the basics of software development.
3) it's my professional assessment (rather than pulled from anus, like the rest of you whiners) that they've gotten the game to a point where they are comfortable with the increasing of complexity that comes with introducing new features and such, which is probably why they went open beta this build.

So keep going full ****** cause were pretty close to what should be the first gameplay oriented build in a long time.

What we are spending our time in is a core shooter mechanics/server stability/client stability bughunting testbed. There's 3 major builds to go until release.

We are not playing DUST 514. In fact, we don't even know what DUST 514 looks like, and we are essentially clueless as to what the deep game dynamics will be.

What we are spending our time in is a core shooter mechanics/server stability/client stability bughunting testbed. There's 3 major builds to go until release.

We are not playing DUST 514. In fact, we don't even know what DUST 514 looks like, and we are essentially clueless as to what the deep game dynamics will be.

also i tweeted CmdrWang on Feb. 2nd and he told me there was a plan to introduce a new merc pack "that next week". but weeks passed and no sign of a new merc pack was noticed until just last week i think. the starter pack sucks imho because it doesn't give us anything. they are only good towards someone who hasnt spent a day on dust yet.

We are 9 months into the "beta" phase (which means feature complete in most dev worlds)

You're an idiot - plain and simple.


Yes, there was a plan - plans change.
Yes, he said there was a plan - doesn't set the plan in stone
Yes, you've been playing in a bete - doesn't make you entitled for Any Fracking Thing!

You don't want to help out for free? Then stop.
You don't want CCP to do development on things they don't tell you about immediately? too bad.
You don't want them to say what their overall plans are, and then change something? You're an idiot.

Yeah it's getting bad, more of my friends know about Destiny but haven't heard of Dust. The fact that Bungie is vastly well known worldwide from creating Halo as well as their experience in beautiful worlds and top notch shooters. You can only expect that the hype and player following of Destiny will eventually overshadow Dust.

CCP needs take better advantage of this Headstart before it gets to that point. More exposure, advertising, community events, consistent game updates and expansions and Dev Blogs are great ways to attract new players as well as keep the player base you already have from jumping ship to the other MMOFPS.

I don't see any promotions for this game either.

It's time for CCP to pull up their pants.

No, not in most "dev worlds" [sic], only in Game Marketing "worlds".

In the real world, a beta does not imply that the final product has undergone a feature-freeze. It means that a core set is laid out that needs a wider testing after having undergone Unit/Functional/Integration/Alpha testing sessions.
After this comes a Release Candidate and/or UAT.

So no - we're not supposed to be testing final features, nor bug-free code.

Hint: We dont even know what part of the stuff has reached Beta Test stage, and what parts are still in an earlier stage.

You're an idiot - plain and simple.


Yes, there was a plan - plans change.
Yes, he said there was a plan - doesn't set the plan in stone
Yes, you've been playing in a bete - doesn't make you entitled for Any Fracking Thing!

You don't want to help out for free? Then stop.
You don't want CCP to do development on things they don't tell you about immediately? too bad.
You don't want them to say what their overall plans are, and then change something? You're an idiot.

I have a feeling they're just waiting for the PS4...

Current 8 vs 8 corp battles are as laggy as they can be. Can you imagine 24 vs 24 or 32 vs 32 on bigger maps than we have now? Even public Skirmish matches are way too laggy.

hey ive contributed much more money into the development of this game than most have probably... and were not asking for all their deep dark secrets... we would just like an update every once in awile...
its been two damn months, don't know if that's purposely holding out on info, or the lack of care to inform us...
just sayin it would be nice.

I never said it was out of beta.

I understand it is in beta. It has been for over a year.

Based on the baby steps this game has taken thus far, we are looking at a 5 year beta...

Was going to say something... but realizing the OP head is thicker than a rock found it useless to state anything.

Was going to say something... but realizing the OP head is thicker than a rock found it useless to state anything.

actually but i want to take it a step further and have the community work even closer with CCP about balance issue so we can get it right the first time. there has been many times where they have changed something and we dont like it so they waste even more time trying to change it again. i have spent money on this game as well and it scares me to see this game going no where so far.

The trolls say be patience, but the whole playstation base is about to start playing next-gen.
Why would they want to come back to dust?
Plus it there is no roll-over on SP this will be the situation:
Random Guy: "OH! ps4 is coming out and im gonna play all day err day"
-fast foward a week-
Random Guy: "Hmm why should i play dust when im down a week in skill points, everyone is gonna be past me and in better gear....im done playing that incomplete game"

This is the future we are facing.

Is PS4 coming out next month? Last I checked, it was holiday season of 2013, lots of time. Not to mention that CCP stated their planned release date for summer 2013.

Also, I've mentioned in a previous post, which you've probably missed anyway, that Dust 514 is going to be on PS4. Please don't ever forget that.

You seem like a young, intelligent guy Iron Wolf, see you on irc all the time. But how about you just give your opinion instead of insulting the OP. If anything you should be insulting me, I think your the biggest fanboy out there for CCP, so read the last sentence in my previous post.

You never seem to lack for words or opinions on irc, why censor yourself now?

Becuase I told God-Nova months ago already about the same issue he is complaing about today? I am a person, not a tape recorder.

As for the statement about this game.

We're version 0.7 still.

this is considered a commercial release and in the gaming industry that means the game is live. So stopped being a thick-skulled-fan-boi

Seriously man there are more people in the dust community that care about this game then just you. I get it CCP said they don't have to listen to us, just the csm. I'd be happy to paste the quote from them. It's saved for just these occasions. I am sure the open beta testers would love to know that.

CCP is just farming money right now thats why there is no sense of urgency to actually deliver they game we are already paying for.

CCP doesn't communicate worth a **** about anything because they assume "their ideas" will work first time. How has that worked out in practice that last 12 monoths for dust? Sorry Ironwolf but ccp has made a miserable game and called it a beta to cover their ass on it.

Everyone of us play it to get sp and nothing else. If sp didn't have a cap I think most players would just leave and come back when this remotely looks like a real game.

Everyone of us play it to get sp and nothing else. If sp didn't have a cap I think most players would just leave and come back when this remotely looks like a real game.

this is considered a commercial release and in the gaming industry that means the game is live. So stopped being a thick-skulled-fan-boi

Seriously man there are more people in the dust community that care about this game then just you. I get it CCP said they don't have to listen to us, just the csm. I'd be happy to paste the quote from them. It's saved for just these occasions. I am sure the open beta testers would love to know that.

CCP is just farming money right now thats why there is no sense of urgency to actually deliver they game we are already paying for.

CCP doesn't communicate worth a **** about anything because they assume "their ideas" will work first time. How has that worked out in practice that last 12 monoths for dust? Sorry Ironwolf but ccp has made a miserable game and called it a beta to cover their ass on it.

Everyone of us play it to get sp and nothing else. If sp didn't have a cap I think most players would just leave and come back when this remotely looks like a real game.

You don't attend very many development schedule cycle meetings do you?

He may not but I do! I understand the nitty gritties of SDLC all too well. I also have enough knowledge about code and build management to tell you that its no excuse.

Oh really? I want you starting today to upgrade all of Warlmart's network backbone to a gigabit connection and have it able to communicate with murphy's and sam's club infrastructre to cordinate with corproate resources on all levels from financing, accounts, inventory, and trade partners.

LOL. Dont confuse a netwrok upgrade with SDLC. Network upgrades involve not only cordination within the company but also 3rd party provides. Where are you getting you Gb interfaces from? Cisco? Typo? Mom and Pop? Are you upgrading you server interfaces too? Are you backbone switches Gb compatible or are the 10/100? Are they in Full Auto or Duplex mode.

CCIE here LMFAO.

This is code builds. Has nothing to do with a backbone upgrade. a bug fix is identify the problem -> fix the rpoblem ->> QA test it. Its as simple as that. We have 20 devs working on bug fixes and go through over 200 tickets a day.

Stop being a fanboy and get real son.

+1

I saw your GM vega post yesterday and meant to tell you to keep fighting the good fight.

Also, I've mentioned in a previous post, which you've probably missed anyway, that Dust 514 is going to be on PS4. Please don't ever forget that.

LOL. Dont confuse a netwrok upgrade with SDLC. Network upgrades involve not only cordination within the company but also 3rd party provides. Where are you getting you Gb interfaces from? Cisco? Typo? Mom and Pop? Are you upgrading you server interfaces too? Are you backbone switches Gb compatible or are the 10/100? Are they in Full Auto or Duplex mode.

CCIE here LMFAO.

This is code builds. Has nothing to do with a backbone upgrade. a bug fix is identify the problem -> fix the rpoblem ->> QA test it. Its as simple as that. We have 20 devs working on bug fixes and go through over 200 tickets a day.

Stop being a fanboy and get real son.

Blah blah blah blah blah...

Dude! We are not talking about the CCP network infratructure out here. We are talking about communication between CCP and gamers. Simple no?

And my consultation fees is $60 an hour onsite local and $1000 - $3000 a day if I have to travel. If CCP wants to hire me for help with their SDLC let them let me know and I will check my calendar.

I have brought SOA systems in under a year.

But its not about me or anything else. Its about communication. One simple email or dev blog or announcement. Is that too much to ask?

You don't attend very many development schedule cycle meetings do you?

Took my last work place two years to impliment a new way to rebuild and redo jet engines because the constant amount of re-iterating what worked on paper may not have worked so well on the floor. Origianlly scheduled to take 3 years though because some of the things on the paper worked too well. After that cycle was done we managed to shut down a warehouse we no longer needed.

They're busy.

One simple email or dev blog or announcement. Is that too much to ask?

Sorry to burst your bubble but the word "busy" is not an acceptable word in the client facing industry. Im not sure where you work or how you get things done at your place but all the places where I have worked and consulted we and they never used the word "busy".

Will a post due?
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=34744&p=2

Rather rude retort that I certainly wouldn't not facebook

Hi Sloth. There is also the weekly bug fixes that you missed out. All the weekly requests/feedbacks talk is what they are working on or discussing. How much of it do you actually see done?

Yet you know those letters or certificates mean nothing if you start burning bridges down. You're not the only person in the world with those skill sets, you're just as fire-able as the next guy so stop excusing yourself as an expert know-it-all immune to critism.

Not many, but I'm an optimistic person... I do hope they get to work on them as fast as possible though, things are getting kind of boring/stale. There was also their little vacation, it seems to me that people are under the impression that CCP was actually secretly at work during this time... They're probably mistaken, I certainly don't work during my vacation.

Not many, but I'm an optimistic person... I do hope they get to work on them as fast as possible though, things are getting kind of boring/stale. There was also their little vacation, it seems to me that people are under the impression that CCP was actually secretly at work during this time... They're probably mistaken, I certainly don't work during my vacation.

Actually you are quite wrong about this atleast in Corporate America. Corporate America loves assholes and they get paid a lot. When I recruit people I like my fellow ******* because they are the ones that actually get the job done.

There is skill set and there is experience. In corporate america both are taken into account. While someone might have the skill set they dont have the experience. I have gone through over 1000 resumes, screened over 200 people and recruited less than 20.

Anyways back to communication. We need better communication from CCP.

not for nothing but I made this same exact post the other day and everyone flamed me...

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=569188

not for nothing but I made this same exact post the other day and everyone flamed me...

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=569188

Yet you know those letters or certificates mean nothing if you start burning bridges down. You're not the only person in the world with those skill sets, you're just as fire-able as the next guy so stop excusing yourself as an expert know-it-all immune to critism.

I don't declare my certs at all they're mostly useless outside my previous job anyways, I am just knowledgable and have a desire to know more, question why things the way they are, and try my best to find out instead of sitting on my rear end and whining about it unlike some guy who has no desire to stick his neck out and stay with what he think is comfortable.

Of course I am mad, and that is why earlier I stated why talking to you numbskulls is futile, you wont listen, you can't listen, you are unable to listen becuase you think you know more and there is no offering in being relived of your ignorance.

Of course I am mad, and that is why earlier I stated why talking to you numbskulls is futile, you wont listen, you can't listen, you are unable to listen becuase you think you know more and there is no offering in being relived of your ignorance.

LOL. Dont confuse a netwrok upgrade with SDLC. Network upgrades involve not only cordination within the company but also 3rd party provides. Where are you getting you Gb interfaces from? Cisco? Typo? Mom and Pop? Are you upgrading you server interfaces too? Are you backbone switches Gb compatible or are the 10/100? Are they in Full Auto or Duplex mode.

CCIE here LMFAO.

This is code builds. Has nothing to do with a backbone upgrade. a bug fix is identify the problem -> fix the rpoblem ->> QA test it. Its as simple as that. We have 20 devs working on bug fixes and go through over 200 tickets a day.

Stop being a fanboy and get real son.

To add on to Cyn's post when you have clans/corps like the Imps, SyN, R*S, STB, ROFL etc etc etc voicing the same concern over and over again as CCP you should be looking at this. These are not corps that just bought a PS3 to play Dust. They have been around for a while. If they are venting out their frustrations it is something that should be addressed in some form or another. Its either you do it or dont and a timeline.

To add on to Cyn's post when you have clans/corps like the Imps, SyN, R*S, STB, ROFL etc etc etc voicing the same concern over and over again as CCP you should be looking at this. These are not corps that just bought a PS3 to play Dust. They have been around for a while. If they are venting out their frustrations it is something that should be addressed in some form or another. Its either you do it or dont and a timeline.

Damn i think he just flexed his pimp hand.

There are 2 types of people in this world. People who get **** done and people like you who make excuses why they can't. I may be an ******* and fire starter but I get **** done and done right.

I put my time in effort into to ccp and this game just be to be told that they dont have to listen to us. **** that and excuse spouting fanbois like yourself. It's been almost a year and this game is ****. Go read Nova Knifes thread about the same damn thing.

You keep telling us we won't listen when you actually mean we wont agree with you. Only a hard headed hypocrate would say such a thing. I have the same problem with my 15 year on niece which is telling.

So go on being a mad bro but stop telling people to shut up when they are voicing their discord with CCP.

Dude, I am not telling you guys to shut up, I am telling you to listen. Rome was not built in a day, neither was vertical new york. Both had concrete, one of the two cities had to reinvent it because everyone forgot how to make it after rome fell. Burning of Constantenople was one of the bigger excuses of the dark age.

Movies, wars, cities, contracts, subcontracts, they all take time and when you like it or not the excuse of not yet feasibly, fiscally, technologically or physically possible will always get in your damn way of wanting what you want.

You can't get to mars in an hour, You can't get to beta cyngus in a day, and you may get mad at me all day long about my excuses as to why, and no amount of your fire starting is going to fix that yesterday. Maybe in a hundred years, thosand who knows but as it stands today its still being worked on, its being worked on by people who love the game very much and would like every chance for it to succedde, its being worked on by people who are taking thier work home and working on it, doing work on during the vacation. Maybe they're running into problems, maybe they're making unreal engine 3 do things it was not designed to do, who knows? CCP does and they're more focused on fixing those issues than to talk with us.

I would say its unfourtunate they have so few community developers that are not being barrowed by marketing deparment but that's the breaks when you're making a game that doesnt have a need for a community dev yet. You have very few people its best to use all of thier time making the game than to delay a game another month because you have them reading forum posts.

Iron Wolf,

You do realise, as the OP has previously stated. We are more than a year into development and this game is no better than a basic FPS shooter with multiple network/software issues.

ONE YEAR IN BETA (that should stand out). How can you defend this? If this was any other company, do you think the people in charge would still be in charge? Probably not, this same issue has happened at large development companies and "creative differences" were cited and the person moved to a different area.

Am I calling for heads... nope. But you'd think after YEARS of development this game would have progressed faster.

While CCP has made some baffling decisions regarding the order in which they implement the game's features and almost certainly started bringing us beta players into the fold too early, Dust is probably a particularly challenging bit of software to develop. It's not like Bungie ever had to worry about balancing intricate RPG elements or accidentally breaking a ten year old MMO while making Halo.

Also, has everyone forgotten how fundamentally broken the previous builds were? I haven't had a hard lock, invalid fitting bug, or bout of crippling lag in quite a while.

The build is stale. You're extra bored with it due to the SP grind. Calm down.

hit detection sucks
infinite drop-suit loading bug
internal errors
blue shields
lag
lag
lag
lag

Is PS4 coming out next month? Last I checked, it was holiday season of 2013, lots of time. Not to mention that CCP stated their planned release date for summer 2013.

Also, I've mentioned in a previous post, which you've probably missed anyway, that Dust 514 is going to be on PS4. Please don't ever forget that.

Dude, I am not telling you guys to shut up, I am telling you to listen. Rome was not built in a day, neither was vertical new york. Both had concrete, one of the two cities had to reinvent it because everyone forgot how to make it after rome fell. Burning of Constantenople was one of the bigger excuses of the dark age.

Movies, wars, cities, contracts, subcontracts, they all take time and when you like it or not the excuse of not yet feasibly, fiscally, technologically or physically possible will always get in your damn way of wanting what you want.

You can't get to mars in an hour, You can't get to beta cyngus in a day, and you may get mad at me all day long about my excuses as to why, and no amount of your fire starting is going to fix that yesterday. Maybe in a hundred years, thosand who knows but as it stands today its still being worked on, its being worked on by people who love the game very much and would like every chance for it to succedde, its being worked on by people who are taking thier work home and working on it, doing work on during the vacation. Maybe they're running into problems, maybe they're making unreal engine 3 do things it was not designed to do, who knows? CCP does and they're more focused on fixing those issues than to talk with us.

I would say its unfourtunate they have so few community developers that are not being barrowed by marketing deparment but that's the breaks when you're making a game that doesnt have a need for a community dev yet. You have very few people its best to use all of thier time making the game than to delay a game another month because you have them reading forum posts.

I will say I am full agreement ccp needs to talk with us more. However I am asking you all to understand they're working on the game and information pipeline. Its not like they're playing golf in shanghai (which begs the question is there a golf course there? I didn't remember one on my last trip there) but at least they are very hard at work there.

I will say that Dust 514 is not the worst offender when it comes to Beta Testing and progress that is taking forever to get anywhere.

Behold! First MMO to go BACK INTO BETA after commercial launch!

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/

i can understand that, but....think about the guys that hasn't played dust, now think about the guys that are about to quit playing.
do you think they are going to care for what your post means? i mean no harm by this statement but outside of these forums are a larger crowd. they will not see Dust the way we(you) see it.

i just want CCP to involve us more so we have an incentive to stay, instead of trying to hold on to that belief "Dust will be the greatest game so just wait awhile"

That the most I can say to them right now as a fellow beta tester, 'come back in 6 months'. Console players really don't have the patience, that's a given. Right now the CSM minutes have been updated with dust 514 section in it, expansion cycles are now every 3 months which places the uprising expansion to mid march give or take.

Remember this?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hat4psYcvII

We are no where near this.........this trailer is what got me into this game....

CCP states things and some of them never happen. CCP is about 3-5 months off schedule with dust. we were already supposed to have e-sports support i believe. im not making this post only on behalf of myself. i think this issue involves everyone and the life expectancy of dust.
show me where and when CCP said dust will be on the ps4.

I Have to agree with the OP,

i have played EVE for almost 4 years now,

back when the 1st mentions of the sign up for closed testing came to my email box i signed up quick. this was when it was only weekend play, i played a bit just to see what it was like. then left to just go back to EVE until it was open beta... and now that it is i agree the game is getting stale for me, i see not alot changing, just seems that everything is in "limbo" i like dust a lot it could be great, i am not sure what the problems are but to be honest as of now i play untill i hit the sp cap for the week, then i drop it like a bad habit untill reset on wed morning... there i said it it's true once i get skill capped i loose all interest? is this wrong? i dunno it's sad but true i was once captivated but now i'm sorry to say i am loosing it, i know ill be flamed and trolled.... bye! see ya we won't miss ya.... but i just kinda see things going nowhere fast? lots of stuff is unbalanced....wont say what because then i will get flamed and trolled for sure..... but agree we need to pass the ball to CCP and they need to make a 3 pointer.... time to get this ball rolling.

no you wont get flamed by many because most of the people in this thread might agree with you. we all lose interest in playing after we hit the cap. if it wasnt for the sp a lot of us wouldnt even be playing dust.

Sorry that I can't dig through tons of interviews and videos to scour for that line, but Devs have confirmed it during the Fanfest already that there will be PS4 version of Dust, it has to be in some of the keynotes and interviews.

Moreover, I don't remember CCP actually promising to release Dust out of beta in the late 2012. Like someone mentioned here before, it was a Sony's mistake, when they were advertising it as an almost finished product.

Can you stop blaming the players for a God Damned Second. You can't see a damn thing with your head so far up CCPs ass right now

Why is it never CCPs fault? Why did it take 5 months to fix invalid bug? Why do they "fix" things and it end us destorying them? Missile turrets needed balance and they ruined them. CCP is just like you they want us to listen and be patient about stuff well its been a year and this game is ****.

Lets go down the list of stuff ccp has given us over the last year and still have.

Frame rate stutter
lag (I have a high speed business class pipe and 1 out of 3 games i can really feel the lag)
blue ******* sheilds
spawming (why would anyone really use aurum gear when they could lose it first spawn of the game?)
inventory bugs
disconnects
UVT issues
go and search for a corp and get dc'd
coms bugs (this is great when you switch to team chat to play a corp battle and 3 people have lost coms or get dc'd)
Inventory issues
Restocking issues
infinite spinning wheel bug (so many things causes this)
No alliance chat or functionality for dust side
No market
passive sp bug

head ******* glitching (6 months later is considered a technical issue by ccp when we told them to fix it last summer)
heavies that stick their gun into a wall and half the bullets still hit me.

laser skill are fk'd up and need looking at

map for ***** sake maps are bad. We asked for more maps and more infantry specific sockets so tanks/ds couldn't rule the day. We got smaller maps and the same maps. Whose ever idea that was a ccp should be fired for shear stupidity.

corp battles are lame

The only connecction to eve we have with game play is just an exploitable no value proposition.

So don't tell me to be patient any more ironwolf because after a year this is all the **** we got.

So no one is playing it right now??

ITT: butthurt entitled manbabies who imagine that they are owed something from an ongoing beta test.
I'm going to assume most of you shitlords in this thread haven't played eve and don't understand ccp's development schedule. I've no doubt that somewhere in Shanghai there is an Icelandic slave driver whipping Chinese code monkeys to work faster for the sake of your dreadfully short attention spans.
Maybe you would be better off playing some of the innovative AAA titles from EA or Activision, call of battlefield 13 black cocksexplode. Possibly tied into a 84oz drink bucket or extreme combo meal.

I'll wait and play a free game with more potential and be understanding if they take a bit longer than expected to make something work.

... Sounds like a beta. Does not sound like complete game you make it out to be, it also sounds like you need to take a 6 month break.

As for the invalid bug... its back but it has mutated into a odd form where it only invalidates half of the fittings available.

at this rate you and only you will be playing Dust when they actually make it work.

hit detection sucks
infinite drop-suit loading bug
internal errors
blue shields
lag
lag
lag
lag

...and this is exactly why I don't want any new features until core gameplay shines. More new features for players to moan about and drama over and be a general resource drain on the developers is not what DUST needs.

DUST needs to become a fps first, rather than the functional-but-frankensteinian patchwork of components it is now. All else is cart-before-the-horse fail waiting to happen.

As far as i'm concerned CCP's focus is the correct one - more features right now is poison. Ofc, i know the case i'm trying to make here is hopeless, and they're prolly gonna buckle to all this wailing and do the wrong thing. I just hope they don't buckle too much.

P.S. - If Bungie ever seriously contemplated tackling the engineering, design and coding project that CCP has taken on, after a bit of study and reflection, i am sure they would run away screaming. Is Destiny going to be single shard?

i know no one is twisting my arm, i WANT to stay. can't say the same for everyone else who isn't on these forums tho.
Subdreddit...aren't you guys from eve? maybe you wouldn't understand the state Dust is in right now since its a ps3 tittle and you're in OUR community. please correct me if i'm wrong tho

stopped reading right there, this is not a released game ffs

So no one is playing it right now??

Overall, I'm not sure I agree with the OP, but I think his sentiment is completely valid. It would help not only the image of the game, but the player retention, for the devs to be more communicative. I think it would also help for the devs to focus on some amount of "flash" for each update. We've seen measurable progress with each build, and in terms of balance and feel it seems to have come quite a way. But in terms of fun, it really hasn't improved much at all. I don't think I have much more fun with it now than I did back in July. The only feature I can think that was added since then to contribute to the "fun" factor was the laser rifle. (Someone correct me on that.)

They're a comparatively small developer taking on a completely new development experience, and all at once they're learning how to run development for a console, for a twitch-based action game, for a first-person shooter, for a balanced team-vs.-team arena, etc., for the first time. I can appreciate how challenging this is. I can also appreciate the potential it has to be completely groundbreaking as a result. But they have lessons to learn, not just about what they're developing, but about how to interact with the community in ways that are both similar to and different from the way they interact with the EVE community. (Even granted that there are substantial overlaps.)

I think they know they need to be more communicative. What they may not know is that they also need to keep adding shiny stuff on a regular basis. EVE players seem to keep asking for fixes to existing mechanics above new features, so the idea that players might be more interested in new features than in fixes might be unexpected.

I just have one more point to add: NoVa, you often talk about "what the community thinks" as if the community were coherent enough to offer even a majority opinion, let alone a consensus. And even a consensus won't always be the best alternative. Most of the time, the devs are going to have to work out what seems to work best in the context of the game.

Sounds like a beta. Does not sound like complete game you make it out to be, it also sounds like you need to take a 6 month break.

As for the invalid bug... its back but it has mutated into a odd form where it only invalidates half of the fittings available.

The game has been in beta for an unusually long time, and while there have been improvements, it seems as if they break something with every fix.

Weapon balance is still off after how many builds? The most common method of CCP to 'balance' something that only needs a tweak is to completely nerf it into uselessness (example: Missiles, all kinds).

Maps still have terrain glitches, one map in particular generates terrible framerate about half the time you play it, ambush still has atrocious spawns. These are all things that could have or should have been fixed by now, after all this time.

And in terms of communication, it's always been lackluster - for as long as I've been on the forums here, threads continually get brought up where people are feeling left in the dark.

Maps? I mean how long are we going to keep playing the same maps just recycled or updated a slight bit? Stating some overly ambitious intent of 1000's of procedurally generated maps and then only delivering a grand total of like what, 5 (some with recurring elements and shoddy design) doesn't really live up to the hype or come anywhere close.

And as has been said before, the only reason why a lot of people are even bothering to play it right now is due to SP.

I've no doubt that somewhere in Shanghai there is an Icelandic slave driver whipping Chinese code monkeys to work faster for the sake of your dreadfully short attention spans.

No one is twisting your arm. Have patience or go find something else to do

and this is exactly why I don't want any new features until core gameplay shines. More new features for players to moan about and drama over and be a general resource drain on the developers is not what DUST needs.

DUST needs to become a fps first, rather than the functional-but-frankensteinian patchwork of components it is now. All else is cart-before-the-horse fail waiting to happen.

comes after release

By now i'm sure everyone has heard the news of the Playstation 4. With all of those new games we saw at their conference one can only be excited for this coming holiday season. This could also be a dangerous threat to DUST.

It has been almost a year since Dust has been out, and to tell you the truth....It hasn't really improved at all. Lets think about this, i understand it has come a long way and the gameplay has gotten better since the early days. BUT, if you think about Dust as a game it really hasn't made any improvements.

The way i think of it is, CCP has spent the last year doing what? Balancing weapons, balancing vehicles, balancing suits, etc. We have been playing for this long and we have only been able to play.....hmmm....7-10 maps? for a game that talks about 1000+ maps that number is very small. It seems as tho Dust is JUST now beginning to mimic what a FPS is supposed to be. But this seems only recent.

It's time for CCP to pull up their pants. It's time for CCP to get more involved with this community. It's time for us to test things as such as FW and PvE. This stuff NEEDS to come sooner than later. These two things alone will be the key to Dust surviving for years to come. Hell even a roll out of 20 more maps will help keep us satisfied till FW and PvE are implemented. Also, the old skirmish HAS to come back. PERIOD. CCP we need you guys to quit keeping secretes from us all the time. For example, we dont know when and what is going to be in this next big patch. Should i be saving my SP for a new weapon, dropsuit, or vehicle?
I understand that you guys can do what ever you want but in order for this game to survive, ESPECIALLY since PS4 and possible Xbox 720 will be release this holiday, you NEED to keep us as close as possible with more and more info about whats is going on.

You post weekly updates sure, but these things only tell us which issues you are working on. They don't tell us such things as, if it has been fix, and what ideals do you guys have for fixing it. This is a time where we are about to user in a new era with next gen gaming, we should user in a next-gen community as well. Dust 514 should be backed by a seamless connection from DeVs and players.


How does everyone else feel on this? Do you think that you will be more interested in DUST 514 if CCP started releasing more info on whats to come and when? What if we could start a community voting process so we could vote on things we want implemented first? How about CCP telling us more details about what their doing to weapons, suits, and vehicles BEFORE they actually implement these fixes in? For example, CCP has stated that the heavy suit is being changed...to what? what if we dont like the change? If they told us about their ideals first dont you think we as a community can decide on if we think that fix will work?


Last point,
If CCP decides to change something and doesn't tell us, it breeds frustrations to many players if what ever they did doesn't work right. If we had some say so on what the fix should be before it is implemented it doesn't work i believe it puts the blame on us a community not the DEVs. I think this would help eliminate some of the hate towards CCP and make many more players want to get on the forums and state their opinions.

Remember this?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hat4psYcvII

We are no where near this.........this trailer is what got me into this game....

No i think i "get" your community, and i look down my pc gamer master race nose at the unwashed hoard of instant gratification seeking aspies who would rather have it now than have it good. I've played eve since April 04 and have been waiting years for dust. It bothers me not one iota to continue waiting for a game that will at last help change sovereignty mechanics in eve. That's what they are trying to make. A game where your actions matter to the games of hundreds if not thousands of other people.
Like it or not you're in the eve community now not the ps3 home space.
Subdreddit like Dreddit is a corporation based in the reddit mother forum. So no we're not an eve corp though we are in test alliance please ignore.

If you cant wait for ccp to get the core of the game done properly then maybe you should take a break and come back in 3 months, or not.

Fake ninja edit: this is less of a white knight for ccp and more of a will you complaining shitlords shut up already post

If you cant wait for ccp to get the core of the game done properly then maybe you should take a break and come back in 3 months, or not.

WELLCOME TO NEW EDEN


now F*** off !

words

1. Dust is an add on and I hope it's successful.
2. Console players are joining a 10 year old eve community platform is irrelevant.
3. The new player churn will keep dust going even if everyone playing right now quits. None of us is a special snowflake, we are all cogs in the machine. That being said the ability for the cogs to decide what that machine does on a collective level will be what keeps people.

CCP has spent a year trying to become an FPS first, if you haven't noticed, they are still trying. Most of us "get the FPS right" guys haved moved on to "give us more content" because we have become accustomed to bad hit detection etc.

do you not realize the community your in? i understand Dust is connected to Eve, but many eve players dont give a S*** for dust. plus this is a community of PS3 gamers, if they are not satisfied they will move on. especially if the PS4 is coming out this year. please understand that i too want this game to be its best, if that means them having to stop for PS3 and develop for PS4 then so be it. also if you haven't noticed, many of this forum guys AND many of the newer players in Dust dont care for Corps. FW is really whats supposed to keep dust alive and if people dont care for corps how will Dust survive? we dont even have a clue on how any of that stuff works yet. the longer they wait, the closer PS4 comes

listen....this thread is about DUST. im not asking for them to finish the game before the PS4 comes out. what i want, and im pretty sure most of these guy do too, is for CCP to stop wasting their time with such things as "matchmaking" etc.
I want them to tell me exactly what their working on right now so we can figure out where dust is heading in the next 2-3 months. i want them to talk to us more about certain fixes before they implement them. wouldn't you want to hear possible fixes on the heavy suits and weapon and have a community discussion? doing this will allow them to gather our feedback while they focus on other things. all i want is for them to make us feel important somehow so it lets all of us know "hey these guys really care about us and together we will make this game better". if they make us feel that way i guarantee we will be more excited about this game and want to play even longer.

right now it just feels that dust has entered into a partial stable state since it has been out for a year. we dont know whats next and whats already fixed and what we should be working towards. all we know is that next-gen is on its way and CCP hasnt engaged us about anything for awhile

He is right we need to post more feed backs more ore moreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

The community I'm is isn't the same community you or most dust bunnies are in. You can say all you want that it's a ps3 group but it also contains bitter eve vets and the culture we bring and herein lies our advantage; we get CCP. We understand the SOON(tm). I realize that you don't give 2 ***** about corps, your loss. That's end game. It's what this is all about, big picture.

listen....this thread is about DUST. im not asking for them to finish the game before the PS4 comes out. what i want, and im pretty sure most of these guy do too, is for CCP to stop wasting their time with such things as "matchmaking" etc.
I want them to tell me exactly what their working on right now so we can figure out where dust is heading in the next 2-3 months. i want them to talk to us more about certain fixes before they implement them. wouldn't you want to hear possible fixes on the heavy suits and weapon and have a community discussion? doing this will allow them to gather our feedback while they focus on other things. all i want is for them to make us feel important somehow so it lets all of us know "hey these guys really care about us and together we will make this game better". if they make us feel that way i guarantee we will be more excited about this game and want to play even longer.

right now it just feels that dust has entered into a partial stable state since it has been out for a year. we dont know whats next and whats already fixed and what we should be working towards. all we know is that next-gen is on its way and CCP hasnt engaged us about anything for awhile