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Posted - 2013.02.22 17:44:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Cyn Bruin wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Was going to say something... but realizing the OP head is thicker than a rock found it useless to state anything. You seem like a young, intelligent guy Iron Wolf, see you on irc all the time. But how about you just give your opinion instead of insulting the OP. If anything you should be insulting me, I think your the biggest fanboy out there for CCP, so read the last sentence in my previous post. You never seem to lack for words or opinions on irc, why censor yourself now? Becuase I told God-Nova months ago already about the same issue he is complaing about today? I am a person, not a tape recorder. As for the statement about this game. We're version 0.7 still.
this is considered a commercial release and in the gaming industry that means the game is live. So stopped being a thick-skulled-fan-boi
Seriously man there are more people in the dust community that care about this game then just you. I get it CCP said they don't have to listen to us, just the csm. I'd be happy to paste the quote from them. It's saved for just these occasions. I am sure the open beta testers would love to know that.
CCP is just farming money right now thats why there is no sense of urgency to actually deliver they game we are already paying for.
CCP doesn't communicate worth a **** about anything because they assume "their ideas" will work first time. How has that worked out in practice that last 12 monoths for dust? Sorry Ironwolf but ccp has made a miserable game and called it a beta to cover their ass on it.
Everyone of us play it to get sp and nothing else. If sp didn't have a cap I think most players would just leave and come back when this remotely looks like a real game.
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Posted - 2013.02.22 18:37:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Free Beers wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Cyn Bruin wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Was going to say something... but realizing the OP head is thicker than a rock found it useless to state anything. You seem like a young, intelligent guy Iron Wolf, see you on irc all the time. But how about you just give your opinion instead of insulting the OP. If anything you should be insulting me, I think your the biggest fanboy out there for CCP, so read the last sentence in my previous post. You never seem to lack for words or opinions on irc, why censor yourself now? Becuase I told God-Nova months ago already about the same issue he is complaing about today? I am a person, not a tape recorder. As for the statement about this game. We're version 0.7 still. this is considered a commercial release and in the gaming industry that means the game is live. So stopped being a thick-skulled-fan-boi Seriously man there are more people in the dust community that care about this game then just you. I get it CCP said they don't have to listen to us, just the csm. I'd be happy to paste the quote from them. It's saved for just these occasions. I am sure the open beta testers would love to know that. CCP is just farming money right now thats why there is no sense of urgency to actually deliver they game we are already paying for. CCP doesn't communicate worth a **** about anything because they assume "their ideas" will work first time. How has that worked out in practice that last 12 monoths for dust? Sorry Ironwolf but ccp has made a miserable game and called it a beta to cover their ass on it. Everyone of us play it to get sp and nothing else. If sp didn't have a cap I think most players would just leave and come back when this remotely looks like a real game. You don't attend very many development schedule cycle meetings do you? Took my last work place two years to impliment a new way to rebuild and redo jet engines because the constant amount of re-iterating what worked on paper may not have worked so well on the floor. Origianlly scheduled to take 3 years though because some of the things on the paper worked too well. After that cycle was done we managed to shut down a warehouse we no longer needed.
Let me just stop you now because if you think you know more then me your mistaken. So save yourself some embarrassement and STFU
My 15 years of world wide project management expierience as a consultant for fortune 500 companies begs to differ. Not to mention my game dev background and current connections to the industry. Also don't try and throw out degrees or certs because I have a **** ton of letters behind my name too.
Next time stay on topic instead of making is personal dumb ass
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Posted - 2013.02.22 18:41:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:They're busy. Sorry to burst your bubble but the word "busy" is not an acceptable word in the client facing industry. Im not sure where you work or how you get things done at your place but all the places where I have worked and consulted we and they never used the word "busy".
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Posted - 2013.02.22 19:15:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Free Beers wrote: Rather rude retort that I certainly wouldn't not facebook Yet you know those letters or certificates mean nothing if you start burning bridges down. You're not the only person in the world with those skill sets, you're just as fire-able as the next guy so stop excusing yourself as an expert know-it-all immune to critism. I don't declare my certs at all they're mostly useless outside my previous job anyways, I am just knowledgable and have a desire to know more, question why things the way they are, and try my best to find out instead of sitting on my rear end and whining about it unlike some guy who has no desire to stick his neck out and stay with what he think is comfortable. Of course I am mad, and that is why earlier I stated why talking to you numbskulls is futile, you wont listen, you can't listen, you are unable to listen becuase you think you know more and there is no offering in being relived of your ignorance.
There are 2 types of people in this world. People who get **** done and people like you who make excuses why they can't. I may be an ******* and fire starter but I get **** done and done right.
I put my time in effort into to ccp and this game just be to be told that they dont have to listen to us. **** that and excuse spouting fanbois like yourself. It's been almost a year and this game is ****. Go read Nova Knifes thread about the same damn thing.
You keep telling us we won't listen when you actually mean we wont agree with you. Only a hard headed hypocrate would say such a thing. I have the same problem with my 15 year on niece which is telling.
So go on being a mad bro but stop telling people to shut up when they are voicing their discord with CCP.
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Posted - 2013.02.22 19:27:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:To add on to Cyn's post when you have clans/corps like the Imps, SyN, R*S, STB, ROFL etc etc etc voicing the same concern over and over again as CCP you should be looking at this. These are not corps that just bought a PS3 to play Dust. They have been around for a while. If they are venting out their frustrations it is something that should be addressed in some form or another. Its either you do it or dont and a timeline.
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Posted - 2013.02.22 19:51:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Free Beers wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Free Beers wrote: Rather rude retort that I certainly wouldn't not facebook Yet you know those letters or certificates mean nothing if you start burning bridges down. You're not the only person in the world with those skill sets, you're just as fire-able as the next guy so stop excusing yourself as an expert know-it-all immune to critism. I don't declare my certs at all they're mostly useless outside my previous job anyways, I am just knowledgable and have a desire to know more, question why things the way they are, and try my best to find out instead of sitting on my rear end and whining about it unlike some guy who has no desire to stick his neck out and stay with what he think is comfortable. Of course I am mad, and that is why earlier I stated why talking to you numbskulls is futile, you wont listen, you can't listen, you are unable to listen becuase you think you know more and there is no offering in being relived of your ignorance. There are 2 types of people in this world. People who get **** done and people like you who make excuses why they can't. I may be an ******* and fire starter but I get **** done and done right. I put my time in effort into to ccp and this game just be to be told that they dont have to listen to us. **** that and excuse spouting fanbois like yourself. It's been almost a year and this game is ****. Go read Nova Knifes thread about the same damn thing. You keep telling us we won't listen when you actually mean we wont agree with you. Only a hard headed hypocrate would say such a thing. I have the same problem with my 15 year on niece which is telling. So go on being a mad bro but stop telling people to shut up when they are voicing their discord with CCP. Dude, I am not telling you guys to shut up, I am telling you to listen. Rome was not built in a day, neither was vertical new york. Both had concrete, one of the two cities had to reinvent it because everyone forgot how to make it after rome fell. Burning of Constantenople was one of the bigger excuses of the dark age. Movies, wars, cities, contracts, subcontracts, they all take time and when you like it or not the excuse of not yet feasibly, fiscally, technologically or physically possible will always get in your damn way of wanting what you want. You can't get to mars in an hour, You can't get to beta cyngus in a day, and you may get mad at me all day long about my excuses as to why, and no amount of your fire starting is going to fix that yesterday. Maybe in a hundred years, thosand who knows but as it stands today its still being worked on, its being worked on by people who love the game very much and would like every chance for it to succedde, its being worked on by people who are taking thier work home and working on it, doing work on during the vacation. Maybe they're running into problems, maybe they're making unreal engine 3 do things it was not designed to do, who knows? CCP does and they're more focused on fixing those issues than to talk with us. I would say its unfourtunate they have so few community developers that are not being barrowed by marketing deparment but that's the breaks when you're making a game that doesnt have a need for a community dev yet. You have very few people its best to use all of thier time making the game than to delay a game another month because you have them reading forum posts.
They have been working on this for a few years and we have been in beta for almost a year. The rate of progress is **** and the most of what they delivered has been the same.
No matter what you say it wont change what 98% of close beta testers feel. Which is ignored and abused. the other 2% like you are just suckling pigs to the ccp tit
Think about this ccp said nothing about aurum not being reimbursed.. Issues arose and they made no public statement that this is a comercial release and all they did was go back into the mercpack/aurum purchase agreement and change it.
They want it to be beta when **** goes wrong but they want it to be a "commercial release" so they can take our money. That my friend is nothing but fraud and bullshit.
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Posted - 2013.02.22 22:42:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:GoD-NoVa wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I will say I am full agreement ccp needs to talk with us more. However I am asking you all to understand they're working on the game and information pipeline. Its not like they're playing golf in shanghai (which begs the question is there a golf course there? I didn't remember one on my last trip there) but at least they are very hard at work there. I will say that Dust 514 is not the worst offender when it comes to Beta Testing and progress that is taking forever to get anywhere. Behold! First MMO to go BACK INTO BETA after commercial launch! http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/ i can understand that, but....think about the guys that hasn't played dust, now think about the guys that are about to quit playing. do you think they are going to care for what your post means? i mean no harm by this statement but outside of these forums are a larger crowd. they will not see Dust the way we(you) see it. i just want CCP to involve us more so we have an incentive to stay, instead of trying to hold on to that belief "Dust will be the greatest game so just wait awhile" That the most I can say to them right now as a fellow beta tester, 'come back in 6 months'. Console players really don't have the patience, that's a given. Right now the CSM minutes have been updated with dust 514 section in it, expansion cycles are now every 3 months which places the uprising expansion to mid march give or take.
Can you stop blaming the players for a God Damned Second. You can't see a damn thing with your head so far up CCPs ass right now
Why is it never CCPs fault? Why did it take 5 months to fix invalid bug? Why do they "fix" things and it end us destorying them? Missile turrets needed balance and they ruined them. CCP is just like you they want us to listen and be patient about stuff well its been a year and this game is ****.
Lets go down the list of stuff ccp has given us over the last year and still have.
Frame rate stutter lag (I have a high speed business class pipe and 1 out of 3 games i can really feel the lag) blue ******* sheilds spawming (why would anyone really use aurum gear when they could lose it first spawn of the game?) inventory bugs disconnects UVT issues go and search for a corp and get dc'd coms bugs (this is great when you switch to team chat to play a corp battle and 3 people have lost coms or get dc'd) Inventory issues Restocking issues infinite spinning wheel bug (so many things causes this) No alliance chat or functionality for dust side No market passive sp bug
head ******* glitching (6 months later is considered a techincal issue by ccp when we told them to fix it last summer) heavies that stick their gun into a wall and half the bullets still hit me.
laser skill are fk'd up and need looking at
map for ***** sake maps are bad. We asked for more maps and more infantry specific sockets so tanks/ds couldn't rule the day. We got smaller maps and the same maps. Whose ever idea that was a ccp should be fired for shear stupidity.
corp battles are lame
The only connecction to eve we have with game play is just an exploitable no value proposition.
So don't tell me to be patient any more ironwolf because after a year this is all the **** we got.
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