You have to understand what they mean by the massive number of maps- they'll be (more or less) randomly generated structures. Just what we have now (probably more stuff, ofc) thrown around over big maps.

As far as what CCP has been doing- you're spot on. I've been constantly saying that every major update will just unbalance everything again, so they should just say screw it and wait until we have more things to balance.

Anyway, I hope the stability improvements will allow the door to be opened for larger maps, which will in turn allow for more game modes and vehicles such as fighters.

stopped reading right there, this is not a released game ffs

clearly many people dont understand what beta means

When it no longer says 'beta, work in progress' at the top of the screen...........THEN it is officially released. Until then, we are very much still in beta.
when ccp says dust is officially released, then it is officially released (instead of the players definition of release).

clearly many people do understand what a beta means. We also know that their is a definite timer on CCP's head now. We told CCP it was too soon to go Open Beta because you're not going to get a chance at a second impression.

Sure the fanboys will stick around but beyond a small core the rest will decay in time. You already see the boredom and complacency sinking in, I mean i watch that intro everyime i load my game because thats what i look forward to the scope and scale promises to be epic.

I get that CCP has a very real 10 year roadmap fine. I get that CCP may be keeping cards close to the vest to prevent IP theft by other developers that are making similar IP's (Destiny among others). And frankly twitter and facebook are nice to keep players engaged alongside IRC but stuff lives and dies here on these forums. Frankly media and marketing needs to single thread all their stuff so it brings all mediums to one common traffic site which should be the CCP blog via Dust website with further in depth new on forums only accessible to players with valid Dust accounts.

You can crack all the jokes you want about how if i were a mature adult id wait patiently. Well i am a mature adult and i do know how to wait patiently but i also don't like to be completely in the dark. As is i have no sense of scope, vision, ideal or grand message to buy into other than

We will have a persistent MMOFFS universe that is a sandbox and cross-platform, You will get to own and run districts(maybe) with planetary soverignty(maybe) etc etc etc and it will all be SoonGäó.


Ok well what is the general roadmap, where do you see this game in 1 mo, 6mo, and 1 year from now. What are the challenges in the way, what as a community can we do to help you realize these goals. You can't ask community to be help beta test and then not engage them. I understand vacations and holidays, but cmon already. Really all we are trying to do is light a fire under CCP's arse because we want them to succeed and we believe in their concept but now its time to reveal a little more of the vision and re-engage us and recapture our imaginations from the disillusion most find themselves in.

I agree, but whether they produce a good game, or not, effects them more than it does you/us. If CCP fails, then CCP fails, we'll just move on and play something else.

i wish people would stop posting threads like this, Fanfest is about a month away, dev teams are most likely working on their presentations.

One thing at a time.
Everyone wants amazing graphics, huge battles, etc. However, most people don't seem to realize that the game needs to be stable for that to be possible.

Actually CCP is probably the most communicative game dev compared to other shooter devs. But yeah, we could use more variation of devs postng ;)

As someone who does real programming and has been playing since the first closed beta build;

1) this really is a beta, and stop ******* diluting our vocabulary.
2) you have _no_ appreciation of how much progress each build has shown, which is to be expected from someone who doesn't understand even the basics of software development.
3) it's my professional assessment (rather than pulled from anus, like the rest of you whiners) that they've gotten the game to a point where they are comfortable with the increasing of complexity that comes with introducing new features and such, which is probably why they went open beta this build.

So keep going full ****** cause were pretty close to what should be the first gameplay oriented build in a long time.

What we are spending our time in is a core shooter mechanics/server stability/client stability bughunting testbed. There's 3 major builds to go until release.

We are not playing DUST 514. In fact, we don't even know what DUST 514 looks like, and we are essentially clueless as to what the deep game dynamics will be.

You're an idiot - plain and simple.


Yes, there was a plan - plans change.
Yes, he said there was a plan - doesn't set the plan in stone
Yes, you've been playing in a bete - doesn't make you entitled for Any Fracking Thing!

You don't want to help out for free? Then stop.
You don't want CCP to do development on things they don't tell you about immediately? too bad.
You don't want them to say what their overall plans are, and then change something? You're an idiot.

I have a feeling they're just waiting for the PS4...

Current 8 vs 8 corp battles are as laggy as they can be. Can you imagine 24 vs 24 or 32 vs 32 on bigger maps than we have now? Even public Skirmish matches are way too laggy.

hey ive contributed much more money into the development of this game than most have probably... and were not asking for all their deep dark secrets... we would just like an update every once in awile...
its been two damn months, don't know if that's purposely holding out on info, or the lack of care to inform us...
just sayin it would be nice.

Was going to say something... but realizing the OP head is thicker than a rock found it useless to state anything.

Is PS4 coming out next month? Last I checked, it was holiday season of 2013, lots of time. Not to mention that CCP stated their planned release date for summer 2013.

Also, I've mentioned in a previous post, which you've probably missed anyway, that Dust 514 is going to be on PS4. Please don't ever forget that.

Dude, I am not telling you guys to shut up, I am telling you to listen. Rome was not built in a day, neither was vertical new york. Both had concrete, one of the two cities had to reinvent it because everyone forgot how to make it after rome fell. Burning of Constantenople was one of the bigger excuses of the dark age.

Movies, wars, cities, contracts, subcontracts, they all take time and when you like it or not the excuse of not yet feasibly, fiscally, technologically or physically possible will always get in your damn way of wanting what you want.

You can't get to mars in an hour, You can't get to beta cyngus in a day, and you may get mad at me all day long about my excuses as to why, and no amount of your fire starting is going to fix that yesterday. Maybe in a hundred years, thosand who knows but as it stands today its still being worked on, its being worked on by people who love the game very much and would like every chance for it to succedde, its being worked on by people who are taking thier work home and working on it, doing work on during the vacation. Maybe they're running into problems, maybe they're making unreal engine 3 do things it was not designed to do, who knows? CCP does and they're more focused on fixing those issues than to talk with us.

I would say its unfourtunate they have so few community developers that are not being barrowed by marketing deparment but that's the breaks when you're making a game that doesnt have a need for a community dev yet. You have very few people its best to use all of thier time making the game than to delay a game another month because you have them reading forum posts.

I will say I am full agreement ccp needs to talk with us more. However I am asking you all to understand they're working on the game and information pipeline. Its not like they're playing golf in shanghai (which begs the question is there a golf course there? I didn't remember one on my last trip there) but at least they are very hard at work there.

I will say that Dust 514 is not the worst offender when it comes to Beta Testing and progress that is taking forever to get anywhere.

Behold! First MMO to go BACK INTO BETA after commercial launch!

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/

I Have to agree with the OP,

i have played EVE for almost 4 years now,

back when the 1st mentions of the sign up for closed testing came to my email box i signed up quick. this was when it was only weekend play, i played a bit just to see what it was like. then left to just go back to EVE until it was open beta... and now that it is i agree the game is getting stale for me, i see not alot changing, just seems that everything is in "limbo" i like dust a lot it could be great, i am not sure what the problems are but to be honest as of now i play untill i hit the sp cap for the week, then i drop it like a bad habit untill reset on wed morning... there i said it it's true once i get skill capped i loose all interest? is this wrong? i dunno it's sad but true i was once captivated but now i'm sorry to say i am loosing it, i know ill be flamed and trolled.... bye! see ya we won't miss ya.... but i just kinda see things going nowhere fast? lots of stuff is unbalanced....wont say what because then i will get flamed and trolled for sure..... but agree we need to pass the ball to CCP and they need to make a 3 pointer.... time to get this ball rolling.

ITT: butthurt entitled manbabies who imagine that they are owed something from an ongoing beta test.
I'm going to assume most of you shitlords in this thread haven't played eve and don't understand ccp's development schedule. I've no doubt that somewhere in Shanghai there is an Icelandic slave driver whipping Chinese code monkeys to work faster for the sake of your dreadfully short attention spans.
Maybe you would be better off playing some of the innovative AAA titles from EA or Activision, call of battlefield 13 black cocksexplode. Possibly tied into a 84oz drink bucket or extreme combo meal.

I'll wait and play a free game with more potential and be understanding if they take a bit longer than expected to make something work.

...and this is exactly why I don't want any new features until core gameplay shines. More new features for players to moan about and drama over and be a general resource drain on the developers is not what DUST needs.

DUST needs to become a fps first, rather than the functional-but-frankensteinian patchwork of components it is now. All else is cart-before-the-horse fail waiting to happen.

As far as i'm concerned CCP's focus is the correct one - more features right now is poison. Ofc, i know the case i'm trying to make here is hopeless, and they're prolly gonna buckle to all this wailing and do the wrong thing. I just hope they don't buckle too much.

P.S. - If Bungie ever seriously contemplated tackling the engineering, design and coding project that CCP has taken on, after a bit of study and reflection, i am sure they would run away screaming. Is Destiny going to be single shard?

1. Dust is an add on and I hope it's successful.
2. Console players are joining a 10 year old eve community platform is irrelevant.
3. The new player churn will keep dust going even if everyone playing right now quits. None of us is a special snowflake, we are all cogs in the machine. That being said the ability for the cogs to decide what that machine does on a collective level will be what keeps people.

The community I'm is isn't the same community you or most dust bunnies are in. You can say all you want that it's a ps3 group but it also contains bitter eve vets and the culture we bring and herein lies our advantage; we get CCP. We understand the SOON(tm). I realize that you don't give 2 ***** about corps, your loss. That's end game. It's what this is all about, big picture.

listen....this thread is about DUST. im not asking for them to finish the game before the PS4 comes out. what i want, and im pretty sure most of these guy do too, is for CCP to stop wasting their time with such things as "matchmaking" etc.
I want them to tell me exactly what their working on right now so we can figure out where dust is heading in the next 2-3 months. i want them to talk to us more about certain fixes before they implement them. wouldn't you want to hear possible fixes on the heavy suits and weapon and have a community discussion? doing this will allow them to gather our feedback while they focus on other things. all i want is for them to make us feel important somehow so it lets all of us know "hey these guys really care about us and together we will make this game better". if they make us feel that way i guarantee we will be more excited about this game and want to play even longer.

right now it just feels that dust has entered into a partial stable state since it has been out for a year. we dont know whats next and whats already fixed and what we should be working towards. all we know is that next-gen is on its way and CCP hasnt engaged us about anything for awhile