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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

Free Beers wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

Cyn Bruin wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

Was going to say something... but realizing the OP head is thicker than a rock found it useless to state anything.

You seem like a young, intelligent guy Iron Wolf, see you on irc all the time. But how about you just give your opinion instead of insulting the OP. If anything you should be insulting me, I think your the biggest fanboy out there for CCP, so read the last sentence in my previous post.

You never seem to lack for words or opinions on irc, why censor yourself now?

Becuase I told God-Nova months ago already about the same issue he is complaing about today? I am a person, not a tape recorder.

As for the statement about this game.

We're version 0.7 still.

this is considered a commercial release and in the gaming industry that means the game is live. So stopped being a thick-skulled-fan-boi

Seriously man there are more people in the dust community that care about this game then just you. I get it CCP said they don't have to listen to us, just the csm. I'd be happy to paste the quote from them. It's saved for just these occasions. I am sure the open beta testers would love to know that.

CCP is just farming money right now thats why there is no sense of urgency to actually deliver they game we are already paying for.

CCP doesn't communicate worth a **** about anything because they assume "their ideas" will work first time. How has that worked out in practice that last 12 monoths for dust? Sorry Ironwolf but ccp has made a miserable game and called it a beta to cover their ass on it.

Everyone of us play it to get sp and nothing else. If sp didn't have a cap I think most players would just leave and come back when this remotely looks like a real game.

You don't attend very many development schedule cycle meetings do you?

Took my last work place two years to impliment a new way to rebuild and redo jet engines because the constant amount of re-iterating what worked on paper may not have worked so well on the floor. Origianlly scheduled to take 3 years though because some of the things on the paper worked too well. After that cycle was done we managed to shut down a warehouse we no longer needed.

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Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2013.02.22 18:10:00 - [91] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Sentient Archon wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: You don't attend very many development schedule cycle meetings do you? He may not but I do! I understand the nitty gritties of SDLC all too well. I also have enough knowledge about code and build management to tell you that its no excuse. Oh really? I want you starting today to upgrade all of Warlmart's network backbone to a gigabit connection and have it able to communicate with murphy's and sam's club infrastructre to cordinate with corproate resources on all levels from financing, accounts, inventory, and trade partners. LOL. Dont confuse a netwrok upgrade with SDLC. Network upgrades involve not only cordination within the company but also 3rd party provides. Where are you getting you Gb interfaces from? Cisco? Typo? Mom and Pop? Are you upgrading you server interfaces too? Are you backbone switches Gb compatible or are the 10/100? Are they in Full Auto or Duplex mode. CCIE here LMFAO. This is code builds. Has nothing to do with a backbone upgrade. a bug fix is identify the problem -> fix the rpoblem ->> QA test it. Its as simple as that. We have 20 devs working on bug fixes and go through over 200 tickets a day. Stop being a fanboy and get real son.
ImperfectFan514 IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 51	Posted - 2013.02.22 18:12:00 - [92] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Sentient Archon wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: You don't attend very many development schedule cycle meetings do you? He may not but I do! I understand the nitty gritties of SDLC all too well. I also have enough knowledge about code and build management to tell you that its no excuse. Oh really? I want you starting today to upgrade all of Warlmart's network backbone to a gigabit connection and have it able to communicate with murphy's and sam's club infrastructre to cordinate with corproate resources on all levels from financing, accounts, inventory, and trade partners. LOL. Dont confuse a netwrok upgrade with SDLC. Network upgrades involve not only cordination within the company but also 3rd party provides. Where are you getting you Gb interfaces from? Cisco? Typo? Mom and Pop? Are you upgrading you server interfaces too? Are you backbone switches Gb compatible or are the 10/100? Are they in Full Auto or Duplex mode. CCIE here LMFAO. This is code builds. Has nothing to do with a backbone upgrade. a bug fix is identify the problem -> fix the rpoblem ->> QA test it. Its as simple as that. We have 20 devs working on bug fixes and go through over 200 tickets a day. Stop being a fanboy and get real son. +1 I saw your GM vega post yesterday and meant to tell you to keep fighting the good fight.
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2013.02.22 18:14:00 - [93] - Quote ImperfectFan514 wrote: +1 I saw your GM vega post yesterday and meant to tell you to keep fighting the good fight. Love the game man! Hate the ******* trolls!
Frodaris Sortana 2100058545 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 43	Posted - 2013.02.22 18:14:00 - [94] - Quote Sigh, I really should know better than to read forum threads, its bad for my health. :) CCP, you really should work to communicate with your dusters more at least, for the sake of actually improving your relations with us! :(
Cyn Bruin Imperfects Negative-Feedback 653	Posted - 2013.02.22 18:15:00 - [95] - Quote Ner'Zul Nexhawk wrote: Also, I've mentioned in a previous post, which you've probably missed anyway, that Dust 514 is going to be on PS4. Please don't ever forget that. Has CCP ever stated that DUST will be on the PS4... WHEN THE PS4 IS RELEASED? I dont recall them ever saying this... Yes they have said it will be on the PS4 at some point in the distant future.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.02.22 18:25:00 - [96] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Sentient Archon wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: You don't attend very many development schedule cycle meetings do you? He may not but I do! I understand the nitty gritties of SDLC all too well. I also have enough knowledge about code and build management to tell you that its no excuse. Oh really? I want you starting today to upgrade all of Warlmart's network backbone to a gigabit connection and have it able to communicate with murphy's and sam's club infrastructre to cordinate with corproate resources on all levels from financing, accounts, inventory, and trade partners. LOL. Dont confuse a netwrok upgrade with SDLC. Network upgrades involve not only cordination within the company but also 3rd party provides. Where are you getting you Gb interfaces from? Cisco? Typo? Mom and Pop? Are you upgrading you server interfaces too? Are you backbone switches Gb compatible or are the 10/100? Are they in Full Auto or Duplex mode. CCIE here LMFAO. This is code builds. Has nothing to do with a backbone upgrade. a bug fix is identify the problem -> fix the rpoblem ->> QA test it. Its as simple as that. We have 20 devs working on bug fixes and go through over 200 tickets a day. Stop being a fanboy and get real son. Well Cisco doesnt build any of thier equipment they sort of never had to. They just make standards you learn about and use. However Juniper is a great alternative in costs they don't have the support Cisco does in accomplishing goals. Also Full auto sucks becuase they usually require a simplex and of course if somone forgets to set up one side it screws the other sides up quite badly resulting in hundreds of customers unable to talk all that well, duplex mode is more efficent in a ring circuit fashion to prevent single point of failure. Just most of the equipment seems to like failing silently. Also last I time I had a talk art has been a major bottleneck as well, art assests are being pumped out but not fast enough to the development's liking so the devs are going around buying some time for them fixing all sorts of other crud. Now the next larger problems is contacting all the involved ISPs, and managing end point devices after demarkation points and of course what does your CCIE have power over those union copperheads? Last time I checked they're pretty hard set on thier ways and since they're senior you can't tell them what to do. Damn cheap charlies. But back on topic. New Eden Network -Cluster v -Accounts -Login -Customers ^ --Eve Online, London v ---Market ----Sol ---Backbone links ----API ----Database ---Terra ----Persona ---Inventories ^ --Dust 514, Shanghai v -Battleservers, Various around the world -Customers -Accounts v -Login ^ --PSN Network, Various around the world --Sony QA v ----Vivox C3 Voice services While this is not the best or most complete map of the whole mess dealing with Dust 514. Everything that Dust 514 screws with the rest of it. There are far more people involved than people in CCP Shanghai, right now would not surprise me if the FW discussion is happening still between CCP Shanghai and CCP Iceland as this feature can break Eve Online. I mean they just recently got Dust 514 ON TQ and are now finally breathing a sigh of releif, right now they're monitoring the effects of dust 514 on the live envrionments. Which is one reason why they're hesitant to actually have dust 514 players move around on sol during corp battles, so they remain in thier previous local systems for now.
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2013.02.22 18:32:00 - [97] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Blah blah blah blah blah... Dude! We are not talking about the CCP network infratructure out here. We are talking about communication between CCP and gamers. Simple no? And my consultation fees is $60 an hour onsite local and $1000 - $3000 a day if I have to travel. If CCP wants to hire me for help with their SDLC let them let me know and I will check my calendar. I have brought SOA systems in under a year. But its not about me or anything else. Its about communication. One simple email or dev blog or announcement. Is that too much to ask?
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.02.22 18:35:00 - [98] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Blah blah blah blah blah... Dude! We are not talking about the CCP network infratructure out here. We are talking about communication between CCP and gamers. Simple no? And my consultation fees is $60 an hour onsite local and $1000 - $3000 a day if I have to travel. If CCP wants to hire me for help with their SDLC let them let me know and I will check my calendar. I have brought SOA systems in under a year. But its not about me or anything else. Its about communication. One simple email or dev blog or announcement. Is that too much to ask? They're busy. As much as they would like to read the forums, post comments, talk with the folks on IRC, tweet, facebook, youtube, and dev blog, they have a game to put out and a deadline to meet. As for a guy who does hang out in IRC all day about. The FW dev blog is not feature set, hence why there is no blog yet, they have not finalized a few features between ccp iceland and ccp shanghai on what effects it will have both ways. The dropsuit blog is waiting on art assets. The only thing that seems to have no explination in publishing is the dust 514 csm minutes. Which would be not that very informational to somone like myself who probably has read paragraph summaries of its contents in one form or another.
Free Beers Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1040	Posted - 2013.02.22 18:37:00 - [99] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Free Beers wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Cyn Bruin wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Was going to say something... but realizing the OP head is thicker than a rock found it useless to state anything. You seem like a young, intelligent guy Iron Wolf, see you on irc all the time. But how about you just give your opinion instead of insulting the OP. If anything you should be insulting me, I think your the biggest fanboy out there for CCP, so read the last sentence in my previous post. You never seem to lack for words or opinions on irc, why censor yourself now? Becuase I told God-Nova months ago already about the same issue he is complaing about today? I am a person, not a tape recorder. As for the statement about this game. We're version 0.7 still. this is considered a commercial release and in the gaming industry that means the game is live. So stopped being a thick-skulled-fan-boi Seriously man there are more people in the dust community that care about this game then just you. I get it CCP said they don't have to listen to us, just the csm. I'd be happy to paste the quote from them. It's saved for just these occasions. I am sure the open beta testers would love to know that. CCP is just farming money right now thats why there is no sense of urgency to actually deliver they game we are already paying for. CCP doesn't communicate worth a ** about anything because they assume "their ideas" will work first time. How has that worked out in practice that last 12 monoths for dust? Sorry Ironwolf but ccp has made a miserable game and called it a beta to cover their ass on it. Everyone of us play it to get sp and nothing else. If sp didn't have a cap I think most players would just leave and come back when this remotely looks like a real game. You don't attend very many development schedule cycle meetings do you? Took my last work place two years to impliment a new way to rebuild and redo jet engines because the constant amount of re-iterating what worked on paper may not have worked so well on the floor. Origianlly scheduled to take 3 years though because some of the things on the paper worked too well. After that cycle was done we managed to shut down a warehouse we no longer needed. Let me just stop you now because if you think you know more then me your mistaken. So save yourself some embarrassement and STFU My 15 years of world wide project management expierience as a consultant for fortune 500 companies begs to differ. Not to mention my game dev background and current connections to the industry. Also don't try and throw out degrees or certs because I have a ** ton of letters behind my name too. Next time stay on topic instead of making is personal dumb ass
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2013.02.22 18:37:00 - [100] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: They're busy. Sorry to burst your bubble but the word "busy" is not an acceptable word in the client facing industry. Im not sure where you work or how you get things done at your place but all the places where I have worked and consulted we and they never used the word "busy".

Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 244	Posted - 2013.02.22 18:40:00 - [101] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: One simple email or dev blog or announcement. Is that too much to ask? Will a post due? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=34744&p=2
Free Beers Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1040	Posted - 2013.02.22 18:41:00 - [102] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: They're busy. Sorry to burst your bubble but the word "busy" is not an acceptable word in the client facing industry. Im not sure where you work or how you get things done at your place but all the places where I have worked and consulted we and they never used the word "busy". IWS is a ccp fanboi to the core. Best just let him spout propaganda as his masters have instructed him to do
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2013.02.22 18:46:00 - [103] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Sentient Archon wrote: One simple email or dev blog or announcement. Is that too much to ask? Will a post due? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=34744&p=2 Hi Sloth. There is also the weekly bug fixes that you missed out. All the weekly requests/feedbacks talk is what they are working on or discussing. How much of it do you actually see done?
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.02.22 18:48:00 - [104] - Quote Free Beers wrote: Rather rude retort that I certainly wouldn't not facebook Yet you know those letters or certificates mean nothing if you start burning bridges down. You're not the only person in the world with those skill sets, you're just as fire-able as the next guy so stop excusing yourself as an expert know-it-all immune to critism. I don't declare my certs at all they're mostly useless outside my previous job anyways, I am just knowledgable and have a desire to know more, question why things the way they are, and try my best to find out instead of sitting on my rear end and whining about it unlike some guy who has no desire to stick his neck out and stay with what he think is comfortable. Of course I am mad, and that is why earlier I stated why talking to you numbskulls is futile, you wont listen, you can't listen, you are unable to listen becuase you think you know more and there is no offering in being relived of your ignorance.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 244	Posted - 2013.02.22 18:53:00 - [105] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: Sentient Archon wrote: One simple email or dev blog or announcement. Is that too much to ask? Will a post due? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=34744&p=2 Hi Sloth. There is also the weekly bug fixes that you missed out. All the weekly requests/feedbacks talk is what they are working on or discussing. How much of it do you actually see done? Not many, but I'm an optimistic person... I do hope they get to work on them as fast as possible though, things are getting kind of boring/stale. There was also their little vacation, it seems to me that people are under the impression that CCP was actually secretly at work during this time... They're probably mistaken, I certainly don't work during my vacation.
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2013.02.22 18:55:00 - [106] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Yet you know those letters or certificates mean nothing if you start burning bridges down. You're not the only person in the world with those skill sets, you're just as fire-able as the next guy so stop excusing yourself as an expert know-it-all immune to critism. Actually you are quite wrong about this atleast in Corporate America. Corporate America loves assholes and they get paid a lot. When I recruit people I like my fellow ******* because they are the ones that actually get the job done. There is skill set and there is experience. In corporate america both are taken into account. While someone might have the skill set they dont have the experience. I have gone through over 1000 resumes, screened over 200 people and recruited less than 20. Anyways back to communication. We need better communication from CCP.
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2013.02.22 18:56:00 - [107] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Not many, but I'm an optimistic person... I do hope they get to work on them as fast as possible though, things are getting kind of boring/stale. There was also their little vacation, it seems to me that people are under the impression that CCP was actually secretly at work during this time... They're probably mistaken, I certainly don't work during my vacation. LOL. +1 on the optimism. Like I said I love the game man. I just hate the ******* trolls and now fanboys lol.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.02.22 18:56:00 - [108] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Sentient Archon wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: Sentient Archon wrote: One simple email or dev blog or announcement. Is that too much to ask? Will a post due? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=34744&p=2 Hi Sloth. There is also the weekly bug fixes that you missed out. All the weekly requests/feedbacks talk is what they are working on or discussing. How much of it do you actually see done? Not many, but I'm an optimistic person... I do hope they get to work on them as fast as possible though, things are getting kind of boring/stale. There was also their little vacation, it seems to me that people are under the impression that CCP was actually secretly at work during this time... They're probably mistaken, I certainly don't work during my vacation. Well when the shanghi crew was on vacaction. We had some live even guys working with dust at the time, and Nullarbor is in iceland now working on network stuff so he was talking with the IRC all week.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.02.22 18:59:00 - [109] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Yet you know those letters or certificates mean nothing if you start burning bridges down. You're not the only person in the world with those skill sets, you're just as fire-able as the next guy so stop excusing yourself as an expert know-it-all immune to critism. Actually you are quite wrong about this atleast in Corporate America. Corporate America loves assholes and they get paid a lot. When I recruit people I like my fellow ******* because they are the ones that actually get the job done. There is skill set and there is experience. In corporate america both are taken into account. While someone might have the skill set they dont have the experience. I have gone through over 1000 resumes, screened over 200 people and recruited less than 20. Anyways back to communication. We need better communication from CCP. The thing is though corproate america has been flagging my school saying 'we're running out of replacments because nobody has any experince nor skill sets to replace the dinosaurs they're forcing out,' and my gawd are some of America's fresh out of high school students are amazingly less educated than when I went though. Ran into a 18 year old who couldn't read out of highschool...
Arrant Leet Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 28	Posted - 2013.02.22 19:00:00 - [110] - Quote not for nothing but I made this same exact post the other day and everyone flamed me... https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=569188

Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.02.22 19:04:00 - [111] - Quote Arrant Leet wrote: not for nothing but I made this same exact post the other day and everyone flamed me... https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=569188 Sorry I could not douse the flames, just try avoiding posting repetitive topics when everyone else does, ps4 was exciting, seeing 300 threads on the subject was not.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 244	Posted - 2013.02.22 19:05:00 - [112] - Quote Arrant Leet wrote: not for nothing but I made this same exact post the other day and everyone flamed me... https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=569188 One a guy called you a scrub... and you call that getting flamed??? Bwahahahahahahahaha!
Free Beers Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1040	Posted - 2013.02.22 19:15:00 - [113] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Free Beers wrote: Rather rude retort that I certainly wouldn't not facebook Yet you know those letters or certificates mean nothing if you start burning bridges down. You're not the only person in the world with those skill sets, you're just as fire-able as the next guy so stop excusing yourself as an expert know-it-all immune to critism. I don't declare my certs at all they're mostly useless outside my previous job anyways, I am just knowledgable and have a desire to know more, question why things the way they are, and try my best to find out instead of sitting on my rear end and whining about it unlike some guy who has no desire to stick his neck out and stay with what he think is comfortable. Of course I am mad, and that is why earlier I stated why talking to you numbskulls is futile, you wont listen, you can't listen, you are unable to listen becuase you think you know more and there is no offering in being relived of your ignorance. There are 2 types of people in this world. People who get ** done and people like you who make excuses why they can't. I may be an *** and fire starter but I get done and done right. I put my time in effort into to ccp and this game just be to be told that they dont have to listen to us. that and excuse spouting fanbois like yourself. It's been almost a year and this game is **. Go read Nova Knifes thread about the same damn thing. You keep telling us we won't listen when you actually mean we wont agree with you. Only a hard headed hypocrate would say such a thing. I have the same problem with my 15 year on niece which is telling. So go on being a mad bro but stop telling people to shut up when they are voicing their discord with CCP.
Cyn Bruin Imperfects Negative-Feedback 653	Posted - 2013.02.22 19:16:00 - [114] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Of course I am mad, and that is why earlier I stated why talking to you numbskulls is futile, you wont listen, you can't listen, you are unable to listen becuase you think you know more and there is no offering in being relived of your ignorance. This street goes both ways IWS. If all you offer is "They are busy" or "They are working on it, give them time" then you are in the wrong post and haven't read anything anyone has posted in this thread... except what you want to read. Who is really being the hard headed one? I hope you are as big a supporter of other games you like and not just CCP. The things the OP is asking for isn't over the moon. They are reasonable requests... Heres an unreasonable one... Put out ANY kind of content. /signed last year
EnIgMa99 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 219	Posted - 2013.02.22 19:22:00 - [115] - Quote @Iron wolf and any other fan bois Duke Nukem forever worked out well didn't it?
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2013.02.22 19:22:00 - [116] - Quote To add on to Cyn's post when you have clans/corps like the Imps, SyN, R*S, STB, ROFL etc etc etc voicing the same concern over and over again as CCP you should be looking at this. These are not corps that just bought a PS3 to play Dust. They have been around for a while. If they are venting out their frustrations it is something that should be addressed in some form or another. Its either you do it or dont and a timeline.
Gunner Nightingale Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 215	Posted - 2013.02.22 19:24:00 - [117] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Sentient Archon wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: You don't attend very many development schedule cycle meetings do you? He may not but I do! I understand the nitty gritties of SDLC all too well. I also have enough knowledge about code and build management to tell you that its no excuse. Oh really? I want you starting today to upgrade all of Warlmart's network backbone to a gigabit connection and have it able to communicate with murphy's and sam's club infrastructre to cordinate with corproate resources on all levels from financing, accounts, inventory, and trade partners. LOL. Dont confuse a netwrok upgrade with SDLC. Network upgrades involve not only cordination within the company but also 3rd party provides. Where are you getting you Gb interfaces from? Cisco? Typo? Mom and Pop? Are you upgrading you server interfaces too? Are you backbone switches Gb compatible or are the 10/100? Are they in Full Auto or Duplex mode. CCIE here LMFAO. This is code builds. Has nothing to do with a backbone upgrade. a bug fix is identify the problem -> fix the rpoblem ->> QA test it. Its as simple as that. We have 20 devs working on bug fixes and go through over 200 tickets a day. Stop being a fanboy and get real son. Damn i think he just flexed his pimp hand.
EnIgMa99 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 219	Posted - 2013.02.22 19:24:00 - [118] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: To add on to Cyn's post when you have clans/corps like the Imps, SyN, RS, STB, ROFL etc etc etc voicing the same concern over and over again as CCP you should be looking at this. These are not corps that just bought a PS3 to play Dust. They have been around for a while. If they are venting out their frustrations it is something that should be addressed in some form or another. Its either you do it or dont and a timeline. *** needs to go down!!!
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2013.02.22 19:25:00 - [119] - Quote Also CCP should remember that their worst critics are actually their best friends because these are the people that can actually help CCP make the game better. If they can shut people like me the **** up I guarantee you they have done a bang up job and no game can touch Dust!
Free Beers Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1040	Posted - 2013.02.22 19:27:00 - [120] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: To add on to Cyn's post when you have clans/corps like the Imps, SyN, R*S, STB, ROFL etc etc etc voicing the same concern over and over again as CCP you should be looking at this. These are not corps that just bought a PS3 to play Dust. They have been around for a while. If they are venting out their frustrations it is something that should be addressed in some form or another. Its either you do it or dont and a timeline. QFT



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