Many of you know that I previously held up my hand for candidacy in the CSM8 Elections representing DUST 514 and it's impact and Integration on EVE Online (as well as the reverse). I'm here to announce that I have begun my campaign, and I hope that I can win your hearts, and your votes in the coming weeks and months, so that we can get representation on the CSM, and hopefully, become so much more than an 'add-on' to New Eden.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=197255&find=unread

Here is the link to my EVE Forums Candidacy Announcement. Along with the current replies, and some of my responses.

I trust that all of you with EVE Accounts will at least consider me for a position based on my platform, and we can cast off the EVE disapproval of having this game affect game in any dramatic way, and have them WANTING us to be there.

The Black jackal
aka Hunter Blake

I like your platform but I can also say I've nothing to base my judgement around (seeing as I honestly don't care about eve politics) But at the same time I'm interested in faction warfare. But in the same way that Faction warfare is completely and utterly broken because of the Gallente minmatar destroying everything, and caldari Ammar getting craped on.

But in other news, fighting on stations would be a pretty cool attack/defense game play. security drone's, automatic turrets, that random civilian getting in your way.

Basically what i'm trying to get at is that if you want to have deeper eve/dust relation's you're probably going to want to make faction warfare more appealing and less of a one sided beating.

Well there's not much I can say here.

Then why did you post?

While in your case you just seem to want some attention.

You make a post that doesn't contribute anything (a bit hypocritical I know) and then tell me I just want attention, for asking why you bothered to post, as it seems to be a waste of your time? Are you serious?

You might want to explain WTH CSM is in the OP.

You handled the heat well that was thrown at you eve-side. Definitely interested to see someone who is both in eve and dust that can guide CCP toward the correct direction of implimentation.

Its going to happen no matter what, thats what some eve folk dont seem to realize, they practically wish this game to fail but resources have already been committed to such an extent that resources WILL be spent on the game, now its about how they do it. They need a dust representative who is also a eve representative, hope they are not too blind to realize this.

many of the people I've talked to in the EVE Community

I disagrre wholeheartedly that DUST needs it's own CSM... We need to be represented as a single Universe.

One War / One Universe.

CCP goals, full steam ahead. We may be separate games, but it's not the GAME itself that the CSM represents. It's the universe, and we co-exist with the Capsuleers in New Eden.

And this is the core of your issue, really. I've said this before, and I'll say it again here. Your enthusiasm is nothing short of fantastic, and your persistence is fully admirable. That being said, this is the wrong time for Dust 514, the wrong place in the CSM, and the wrong way by not talking to community members on a more personal level of doing what you're trying to do.

You have the backing of none of the major organized entities in Dust 514 right now for this CSM position, and in no small part because you just haven't talked to any of them. The first place you've put your thoughts or ambitions to the CSM is right here, on the forums. If you had talked to anyone in the organized part of the community, they would have told you what so many others have expressed. Your potential demographic in seeking a CSM8 position on a platform centralized on Dust 514 is small. It contains:

(1) Primarily Dust players who have recently taken Eve subscriptions

(2) Eve players who are more concerned about Dust 514 than they are about Eve



These categories are small in and of themselves; if you were somehow able to instantly mobilize everyone in them you MIGHT be able to scrape into a CSM position. The thing is, these are merely demographics where you could potentially find voters. In reality, the second category of players doesn't actually exist, and the first don't know you well. Our best interactions with The Black Jackal, from a community standpoint, have all been here on the forums. That just doesn't cut it.


If you could take this energy that you're devoting to a campaign destined to fail at even getting the required number of forums likes to pass it off to the proper CSM candidacy process and redirect it to lobbying CCP to fix important issues: Grouping, corp voice, presentation of Fac Warfare status, and other things besides...that energy would be well-spent and would make a vastly more positive impact on the Dust community. We need all the help we can get here on the ground floor.

i hope you know what you are geting into, best of luck!

I disagrre wholeheartedly that DUST needs it's own CSM... We need to be represented as a single Universe.

One War / One Universe.

CCP goals, full steam ahead. We may be separate games, but it's not the GAME itself that the CSM represents. It's the universe, and we co-exist with the Capsuleers in New Eden.

thats why u need 2 seperate CSMs
u cant have 1-2 ppl on the current CSM make ALL the say for the entire DUST community thats ********.

U have to have them seperate to benefit DUST the most and when u have to discuss anything regarding the link between the 2 games that would affect each other u have both sit down and discuss it.

I'm not trying to troll/bash/harass/belitte/insult/etc I am just trying to save you the time and effort. Unless you can rep a specific part of EvE in addition Dust you will have a hard time finding support from either.

As someone who has assembled voting blocks for CSM candidates i can say you have almsot no chance.

I respect how you have put forth a platform and stood up to the challenge. It's honest and genuine.

You're not the same guy going for a physically larger new Eden right?

No, I'm not going for a physically larger New Eden. I'm talking 'A Larger Universe' by integration and building within what CCP has already created. (Though 'larger physically' could be an interesting future expansion.)

I'm talking planets, moons, developing interactions, integrating the DUST community INTO the New Eden world in a way that allows us, as DUST mercs, to be a weapon for EVE Pilots, and vice versa if you chose, but both games can exist independantly of each other as well.

I disagrre wholeheartedly that DUST needs it's own CSM... We need to be represented as a single Universe.

One War / One Universe.

CCP goals, full steam ahead. We may be separate games, but it's not the GAME itself that the CSM represents. It's the universe, and we co-exist with the Capsuleers in New Eden.

I disagree completely. Moving forward Dust will need its own CSM or Council of Planetary Management if you will.

Yes, it is one universe, but these are two games that need to be able to exist and stand on there own two feet as separate entities while the connection between them grows over time. This will take time and needs to be done with careful but bold steps to ensure that both games benefit from their interaction.

There needs to be an Eve CSM and a DUST CPM.

The CSM is a stakeholder and a key part in the development process and there are unique development teams for each game. I don't think anyone wants a bunch of Eve voters able to push their own agenda on to Dust just as I sure as hell wouldn't want a flood of Dust voters who will likely outnumber EVERY Eve pilot picking all of the CSM positions. That is a recipe for disaster. One of the CSM's main goals is to ensure that developer resources are being put to what the Eve community wants because through their subscriptions they have invested and become partners in Eve's future.

The CSM is the guardian of serious internet spaceship business and there needs to be a Dust equivalent that doesn't have it's community voice watered down by votes from Eve.

Yes, it is one universe, but these are two games that need to be able to exist and stand on there own two feet as separate entities while the connection between them grows over time. This will take time and needs to be done with careful but bold steps to ensure that both games benefit from their interaction.

The CSM represents the playerbase of New Eden. Not the singular EVE-side. The only reason it is viewed as such, is that EVE players have been (up until now) the SOLE inhabitants of New Eden.

The Integration, as stated in my platform, is a process that requires a SINGLE voice. A unified Council. The CSM is already established, and already has direct contcat with CCP, and the integration of DUST was discussed at the summit meetings, and over Skype in great debates. With no DUST representatives taking part.

The reason this game IS so unique is that it interacts directly with the established world of EVE Online and New Eden. If you 'limit' that interaction by creating a separate council that ONLY interacts with the EVE CSM on integration, you'll have 3 series of debates that will not align. A SINGLE vision is the way of the future., Bringing the games closer together will ensure that DUST gets the attention it Deserves, the impact on New Eden it Deserves, as well as EVE having those same impacts on DUST. Yet having these impacts as 'optional' for the majority of the playerbase so as not to make each dependant on the other. but rather an additional asset to be used.

Forming our own council seems like a great idea, and IF it were able to gain us equality to the EVE CSM, I would be all for it. But if the CSM is left to represent New Eden's 'paying' customers... they will win in the EVE Vs. DUST debates.

Having a Representative on the CSM will ensure that Interaction is tempered, and comprimised with EVE players on their levels.

More variety in PvE in DUST 514 and EVE Online
- DUST-side Missions similar to Campaign-modes (miniaturized) in other games. With diverging outcomes based on actions. More EVE-side mission varieties, with new types such as 'escort'.

I'll vote for you if you push for some Sansha zombie missions.

What about having two separate bodies with each body nominating one of its members to simultaneously serve on the other body to represent that body's opinions...ie CSM & CPM with one person from CSM serving on the CPM board and one person from the CPM serving on the CSM board.

lol ur pretty stubborn tbh
i already said when matters for the EVE//DUST link needs to be discussed CCP should sit down with BOTH CSMs to discuss the matter not leave it up to one or 2 ppl to talk for the ENTIRE community of DUST players

YES we are one universe BUT there are two SEPERATE games why cant u see that there are 2 dev teams working on the 2 games.

Not everything discussed by the CSM is always gonna be about the link. Game balance, expansions etc etc will be discussed so sorry but ur not really posing a strong claim to having one.

Also on top of being stubborn about ppls suggestions u also do not have a strong presence within the community. I honestly never see u posting feedback on topics to better the game for us DUST mercs yet the CSM voting thing comes along and i see this thread on why WE as a community should throw their support behind someone who has done almost nothing really when it comes to providing CCP with feedback and ideas to BETTER the game for the community of DUST mercs.

While having a DUST representative in CSM 8 might be all well and nice, by your replys I think you definately should not be ours.

You, for reasons that suit you, keep insisting on DUST/EVE relation being the question of all questions. You even give us example of how is EVE represented in CSM by sectors like 0.0, WH, FW, etc. and treat DUST as one of these which should then take one or two places on the board, not caring for the fact that DUST, while shares same physical space, has (will have) its own gameplay in those mentioned sectors.

Also your personality is a bit problematic, as here comes notorious question 'Who are you?' Beside nice wishes and common places written in platform I am clueless (and I guess many other) on what and who you stand for. You forget that this game is young and we do not have 10 years old community with all developed social connections to easy track someone even if we never heard about him -- this also means that insisting on voting as a must for first few CPMs is not really necessary -- those who work most with and for community will come up and be part of it (even if it is un/semiofficial, it is good enough to communicate with the Shanghai team.)

CPM after all doesn't have to be simple replica of CSM.

Etc, etc. Lastly, after these three pages I can conclude your lack of 'ears' for the community and I would rather have none than such representative. Otherwise wish you all the best.

I'd like to know what 'reasons that suit me' you hold up there. I'm pushing for integration for the community. Do you want an active say in what happens to this game in an official capacity? The community, becasue it shares the same universe in Real Time, should be more integrated. These, while benefiting me (because I am also a part of the community) cannot be discounted as benefitting the entire community. More integration = more community staying power = better chance of game's survival and not dwindling to a few fanatical players (likely myself included) who deperately hang onto a game that the community abandoned because it was not 'included'.

"Who am I?" Well if you looked at my platform, previous posts, etc. You'd know what I stand for. By my replies in this very thread, you'd know what I stand for. I'm known to alot of people in-game, as well and some of the greater New Eden Community. I've co-hosted on Podside multiple times now, and love doing so. Discussing EVE, DUST and their Integration and CSM news.

Inclusion in the existing framework is one of many ways this game will survive. The self-appointed CPM is doing a great job of bringing gameplay issues to light, and I commend them, and continue to commend them for doing that. But it doesn't bring the two communities together. CCPs vision for DUST has always been One Universe // One War, and that includes one community, one voice. It's just two different ways of looking at, and interacting with this great universe we have.

Ive been playing since the beginning of closed beta and don't know who u are. This is the only post ive seen you on and I don't believe we've played together. U r also in a Corp I do not recognize. I'm not saying this would make you a bad candidate hut you need to get involved a bit more imho

I have no opinion on what's happening TBH, but you haven't seen him because he's Australian and if you'd been playing closed beta you would probably recognise our corp.

I honestly do not reccognize it and I did play closed so yeah sorry

You must be new to the forums...... Or you never got a chance to play on our servers.

But I'll go with new to the forums.

Yeah I honestly never cared in closed about forums then I started checking it for news and got sucked in lol

Cast off... having this game affect [EVE] in any dramatic way

blah blah Dust is just an EVE gateway

I know the Southern Legion. I still do not know the Black Jackal.

One thing that bothers me immensely is a clear platform of personal ideas, not a representative of the community. You want to dabble in supercaps, EVE disenfranchisement, nullsec, highsec, faction warfare and nebulous "more". Your answer for nearly everything is more content when EVE is already littered with content that needs reworked first. More capitals, more ships, more missions, more everything, but no clear description of how A) putting you on the CSM would achieve those goals, and B) how the things you suggest would even improve the game. Some of your suggestions are downright terrible, such as allowing supercapitals to dock just to make them targets for DUST mercs to steal.

You reply to every post in your candidacy threads but otherwise are mute on all public channels. What have you done for the community lately? Which ideas have you supported that were not your own? What content have you already added to DUST given the tools we have now? What do you do in EVE? What do you do in DUST? Where do you get information on parts of the games unfamiliar to you? Who do you want to vote for you? Who would NOT have their needs addressed by voting for you? How would you define success and failure should you receive a CSM seat?

So many unanswered questions. Please at least try to convince me you are taking this seriously.

uhm Two Step said he wasn't running...

If you've read anything from CCP you'd know they seem to want to make a legitimate universe out of this. In the future, esp with PS4 (which could very well be pay to play) Dust becoming more and more equal to EVE is a reality.

I have not read as much as I would like and I'm confident that CCP has plans to develop revenue from PS4. Current plans seem to be focused on PS3 Dust514 and EVE relationships. It develops more ways to play with CCP products and expands the customer base, a paying customer base. Free Dust514 interaction is the gateway, or free advertisement for EVE.

Furthermore, I believe any improvement to DUST514-EVE megaverse must increase revenue. That would mean at some point CCP will draw the line. Market access, Eve-Dust-Corp interaction, faction warfare, and tournament opportunity will all be pay to play.

The beta Dust514 game will need to be the training ground and advertisement of great quality to make paying to play for extended features a must have.

I just don't want to see Dust evolve into a game that would cost more that EVE for less opportunity and interaction. I just want to know, with all that is planned, where is the CCP toll booth, and what will it cost me?

Instead of saying you could, why don't you actually take the time to do that. I don't really need a copy paste of ideas that have been popular for years, I'm interested in what you are bringing to the table.

Instead of saying you could, why don't you actually take the time to do that. I don't really need a copy paste of ideas that have been popular for years, I'm interested in what you are bringing to the table.

^Is more in tune with dust 514 than jackal is.

CCP has clearly stated already that there will be no Dust CSM anytime soon and that anybody wanting to run for CSM should be doing it for EVE and not dust because the CSM is in place for EVE. Not for dust. It's for EVE! EVE!!!! CCP doesn't want a duster to run for EVE CSM because it defeats the purpose of it.

Dust is still in beta!!!! BETA! Do you know what a beta is?

Wait until the game is release officially, and when/if CCP even decided it needs a Dust CSM! Until then just play the game and give feedback.

DUST players are free to buy EVE subscriptions in preparation for the election if they're so motivated. Frankly it'd be useful to have someone with ties to the DUST community on CSM8. After (if?) you guys see the DUST CSM Minutes you'll appreciate the need for continued and strong guidance from the CSM on the issue.

Don't take that as an endorsement of this dude in particular as I don't know him and the field is still forming, but he seems to have thought things out and presented his approach coherently. If the alternative is more ZionShads, this guy is at least tethered to reality.

So give him a chance and let him run on his merits. If he wants to run a DUST-aimed campaign let him; who's to say it wont work?

Wait.

First you say that my 'ideas' are blatantly self-serving, that they are not what the community wants.

Now you say that I copied and pasted these 'popular' ideas into my platform?

Please. Make up your mind.

The fact of the matter is, that I believe each and every Idea I have in my platform will have a positive impact on the EVE - DUST link. Stimulating economy in EVE by increasing warfare, making mission running less repetitive, adding a 'semi-single player' experience to DUST (besides Swarm Modes) that can also be helpful in training your DUST Soldiers.

Rewards for supporting actions from capsuleers to DUST mercs, making them WANT to support us.

Loyalty points for DUST. Yes! Popular idea for years? No. The concept has existed in EVE for years, so yes, it's an idea I want to take for DUST. Applying it to 'Army-issue' Gear rather than Navy-issue. Putting it as the sole reward for Faction Warfare Battles, reducing the impact that could be achieved by 'exploiting' Faction Battles yet still rewarding the players For taking part.

I'm not really seeing the point of this conversation. Jackal is going to run for CSM. Dust players have no vote and no voice so it is not going to matter at all if they support him. Dusters with eve accounts will vote for their eve interests. Until CCP enfranchises dust players there is no reason to run for CSM on a dust platform, even if you think it is the first move you have no votes to support you. The unofficial CPM 0 is the only logical step to gaining a player leadership structure.

DUST players are free to buy EVE subscriptions in preparation for the election if they're so motivated. Frankly it'd be useful to have someone with ties to the DUST community on CSM8. After (if?) you guys see the DUST CSM Minutes you'll appreciate the need for continued and strong guidance from the CSM on the issue.

Don't take that as an endorsement of this dude in particular as I don't know him and the field is still forming, but he seems to have thought things out and presented his approach coherently. If the alternative is more ZionShads, this guy is at least tethered to reality.

So give him a chance and let him run on his merits. If he wants to run a DUST-aimed campaign let him; who's to say it wont work?

I don't know how to put it nicely so I am going to say what most of the folks think of you as.

You're an Evetard.

This is not a term of endearment, you are nearly been lumped in the same pile of people from eve that would like to see this game fail.

Also you're more stubborn than a brick, until you learn on how to get hammered you're never going to fit in.

I can have a debate with Noc over AV verses tanks for hours on end and we come off slightly better afterwards. With you there is no going anywhere. If you're that unwilling to listen to anything these dust bunnies have to say then that leads to the next question of why should we listen to what you have to say.

You are not showing any level of humility or respect and by thinking that '0.0 is dust 514's biggest problem' is what is going to make most dust bunnies not like you at all.

Also don't raise your voice, you look like a 5 year old screaming.

I would go for the throat but I am not in the mood today.... its not pretty when I do though, so mere ankle biting is all you're getting today.

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when someone talks about eve all the time they are an evetard, also when your friend abandons you yo play eve.
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Reference: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=evetard&defid=4165847

Don't get me wrong, I admire you attempts, but I doubt a DUST 514 Purist coined the term Evetard. And yes, I've known what an Evetard was.

Secondly, I'm sure you've heard... Hans isn't running for CSM this session. I don't know his reasons, and frankly, it's his personal choice. I'm not saying that should automatically qualify me to replace him, but I am approaching this election from DUST with EVE Integration. Representing DUST to a community of EVE players, and showing that my platform encompasses the parts of EVE in which I have been, have had ideas, and can contribute beyond the simple scope of DUST DUST DUST.

The Black Jackal
aka. Hunter Blake

Hans told us a month ago, where you been?

Second the dust bunnies did coin their own evetard term, you should not be using urban dictionary for it but these forums but ours if you're going to be trying to even begin to understand us, evetard.

Also as a person who been watching the CSM for the last 7 sessions, the idea of a platform is a bit silly. Rarely would a CSM runner could ever possibly run with such or even promise such.

Jackal, you probably should've at least made alts to be your yes men and make you look good on these forums.
You're not only a crappy politician, but a half-assed one that

I mean no disrespect to you or any other members of dust running for CSM this early on but you are wasting your time. Until EVE and Dust are fully integrated EVE players will not see any need for a Dust representative.

Why would an EVE player vote for a Dust representative when Dust doesn't effect them?

Anyone from both communities who is serious about being a Dust CSM member will realise this, and are probably waiting for the egomaniacs to burn them selves out before starting any campaign.

I do however think there should be in future seperate CSM for both games but then members from both creating a combined CSM. That way they can help improve both games individualy and as a whole without screwing each others games up.

Listen to the interview. There are quite a few people out there looking to support a DUST candidate on the CSM.

Define quite a few! 30-40? 100-200? out of thousands of potential votes "quite a few" means nothing and is not going to get any one anywhere.

If i vote for you, can you get me dinosaurs into dust 514? O_o

DUST needs its own CSM
sorry but this is pointless having one person speak for the entire community

DUST and EVE should have seperate CSMs and when there needs to be a discussion on the link between the 2 games the 2 CSMs and CCP can have a sitdown and discuss it

simple
/csm nomination threads

this thread is fail

FYI Jackal the loyalty points for dust and "army" gear thing/suggestion wasnt urs
each game needs their own because everything the bodies do DOES NOT always have to do with the other game or the link
why is that so hard for u to comprehend

this thread is fail

FYI Jackal the loyalty points for dust and "army" gear thing/suggestion wasnt urs
each game needs their own because everything the bodies do DOES NOT always have to do with the other game or the link
why is that so hard for u to comprehend

I understand what you are saying, but as I have also stated. Separating the community is not good for either game. It simply breeds a caste society. EVE Vs. DUST... not EVE and DUST, or not NEW EDEN.

You ask me why I cannot comprehend? Why can't you comprehend what I'm getting at? Integration of community, and enhancing interactive gameplay is, in my opinion, the best way to ensure this game has a future beyond that of most FPS games. This is best accomplished, also in my opinion, by a CSM Representative with DUSTs interests at heart.

Also as I stated, the CPM has done a great job when it comes to issues specific to this game, but how many 'great' games have vanished from the market. They lacked something, and covering all bases, from a CSM rep, to a possible CPM, ensures the chances of those things going unnoticed is alot less.

Again, I encourage you to listen to my interview with Xander, I don't say I'll be the perfect candidate, but I put forth my ideas in all honesty, and how I believe they will impact on the future of this game, and EVE Online.

u dont understand how the CSM works then apparently
the majority of the things discussed on the CSM wont be ur little dust eve link
both games will have their own issues that need to be addressed like balance issues, future expansions etc
i listened to ur interview and it did not impress me

the DUST community does not know u as a figure head thats been helping the game grow yet u want to represent us? are u srs?

honestly this is goin no where ur too close minded in ur own personal agenda to see the pts ppl making. Its either ur way or none apparently,
Good luck gettin votes tho i doubt u will ever get on CSM

Wow, if you're buckling under a few individuals, wait until an entire voter block gets onto your rear end.

Ummm... Check your translator again Iron Wolf. I said I am not buckling. Get your information right BEFORE posting. You just seem to succeed in making yourself look foolish. This is the third time you've misread a statement I've made (not misinterpreted). One would begin to think you're illiterate, as well and unreasoned.

Why would I want you to represent me? I've enough of the posts to understand what it is you're trying to accomplish, and I have to say that I agree with you. But I don't think you're the right person for the job. When you represent a community, you should respect that community. As a whole, and as the individuals that make it up.

Turning to insults to try and make a point is a very poor leadership quality, and shows a complete lack of respect for those inside the community who have opposing views. Even when they show that disrepect to you, and inult you, sinking to that same level only proves that you are ill equipped to represent us in aprofessional manner.

I agree that we need to have New Eden, as a whole, represented in the CSM, and not have to segregated councils; but I'm concerned that having someone who is quick to be defensive, quick to judge, and easily slips into slinging insults at his detractors, will do more harm than good for this community.

@slystylz vassar
- When is the elections to take place?
Generally there is a few weeks during March to vote for your candidates. The CSM7 Results were posted on 2012.03.24

- Who are your running against? Do you know of any one else that is campaigning?
Here is a list of everyone currently confirmed as running and campaigning.
Ayeson
Chendow Decent
Chitsa Jason
Cipreh
Daehan Minhyok
Herr Ronin
Hunter Blake
James315
Malcanis-
Mangala Solaris
Marc Scaurus
Mike Azariah
Mino Noud
Mynnna
Nathan Jameson
Night Beagle
Ripard Teg
Roc Wieler
Unforgiven Storm
Xenuria -

In addition these people are confirmed as NOT running.
Alekseyev Karrde
Elise Randolph
Hans Jagerblitzen
Issler Dainze
Kelduum Revan
Poetic Stanziel
Seleene
Two Step


- What is your EVE avatar?
As Stated in the OP, my EVE Avatar is Hunter Blake. I also sign the majority of my posts as The Black jackal aka hunter Blake or vice versa.

http://crossingzebras.com/CSM8

Is all your intel this copy/paste?

I've done a quick tally of this thread, and I would estimate that 65-70% of the posts are against Dust being represented in the EVE CSM, and agaisnt your representation in particular. Not to mention the secondary thread being created specifying why you shouldn't represent the Dust community. That is an overwhelming number (1171-1261 of the total post made so far).

You say you want to represent us? You have to start by listening to us. The community has spoken, you have have your answer. If you truly wish to do what you claim, then it is time, sir, to ask the Devs to lock this thread. Let the issue subside for now. You have argued/discussed/debated well, but it is time for it to end. You want to represent us, this is the place to start.

I understand what you are saying, but as I have also stated. Separating the community is not good for either game. It simply breeds a caste society. EVE Vs. DUST... not EVE and DUST, or not NEW EDEN.

I am definitely keen for a combined DUST/EVE Candidate, the fact that Jackal knows his **** on both sides of the fence is a major bonus.

It's not separating the community, it's separating the representatives so they can discuss mechanics specific to each game with people who are knowledgeable of said mechanics.

People who are representing EVE's community's interests have no reason to influence DUST mechanics, just like the DUST community's representatives shouldn't be influencing various EVE mechanics. It would be nice for them all to have understanding of both games, but there's nothing stopping there being a separate panel for each and them coming together when interactivity is discussed (which will be in the minority of instances of problems and concerns the games are facing).

Explain why an EVE player who is representing EVE's community's interests should be responsible for discussing dropsuit role balancing, and why a DUST player who is representing DUST's community's interests should be responsible for discussing SOV and Nullsec warfare, and maybe you'll have a leg to stand on.

Explain why a High Sec Mission Runner should be helping with null sec sovereignty. Why a Wormhole candidate should have a voice for faction Warfare... DUST is an Aspect of New Eden. And within my platform, I have a broad range of areas I have experience with, showing that whatever the topic is, whether it be DUST, Faction Warfare, or Null sec, I can put forth ideas, and discuss ideas.

Ideas are not proof. If anything ideas are only proof that you don't know the game that well.

Overall once again Prove it.

Lets start with a simple one, how many estimated sectors there are in wormhole space

I have never held sov and even I can tell your ideas are terrible for null. Drop that portion of your platform or continue to be embarrassed. (I have lived and fought in null, just a fan of small operations). You don't even understand how to defend the one good idea you jimmied into your announcement, which is delayed local.

Your good ideas for faction warfare are all cribbed apologetically and, more insultingly, without credit to their proponents. Loyalty points in DUST? I'm sorry but you're months too late to pretend that is something YOU would represent adding to the game.

Most damning of course is your answer to every issue is add more content. Something you as a CSM have no power to promise. New content in a game as richly developed as EVE, should not be a priority. Repairing all the content that was introduced but never polished should be.

They where originally called sectors because of how far apart and 'unlinked' The original effort to map the entire cluster was mindbogglingly complicated astronomic math models made and excruciating efforts to map out the Anoikis Cluster. Expeditions to sector 30 are still not fully done yet, the advent rising of wormhole dwellers is making expedition efforts much more difficult to find out what exactly happened to tall the Talocan. However whatever wiped out the sleepers wiped out the the nomadic Talocan as well.

Also stop lying and saying think estimate or thought, those numbers are easily found using Google. It would have been believable if you said 2-3k systems and 300 'constellations.'

BTW. I never flown into wormhole space, I got kidnapped once into it (by jovians), just watched the egg heads from the sidelines when people where trying their best to map it out and sharing theories on how to. That was back then when request for rescues from wh space was very common threads of the day and I had little to author as I was neither an astronomer or a mathematician. These days I love how large scale fights happen in wormhole space and how highly highly creative the people are in implementing combat theory where its still mostly untested raw grounds and building ships around those effects.

Now here is a platform I want to pick apart, What dare say advantage does creating delayed local do for 'small alliances'?
Mind you I clocked over 300 hours on gate guard and patrols and had access to about 8 Intel nets. I would like to see how your 'preconception' of delayed local is going to give you an advantage against ability to hear a gate activate and see what pops though.

Have you ever gone into the intel net side of New Eden? Ever wondered how befittingly complicated some of the more advanced alliances are and how unfair of a disadvantage of everyone else who doesn't have such nets are?

Now here is a platform I want to pick apart, What dare say advantage does creating delayed local do for 'small alliances'?
Mind you I clocked over 300 hours on gate guard and patrols and had access to about 8 Intel nets. I would like to see how your 'preconception' of delayed local is going to give you an advantage against ability to hear a gate activate and see what pops though.

Have you ever gone into the intel net side of New Eden? Ever wondered how befittingly complicated some of the more advanced alliances are and how unfair of a disadvantage of everyone else who doesn't have such nets are?

I have never held sov and even I can tell your ideas are terrible for null. Drop that portion of your platform or continue to be embarrassed. (I have lived and fought in null, just a fan of small operations). You don't even understand how to defend the one good idea you jimmied into your announcement, which is delayed local.

Your good ideas for faction warfare are all cribbed apologetically and, more insultingly, without credit to their proponents. Loyalty points in DUST? I'm sorry but you're months too late to pretend that is something YOU would represent adding to the game.

Most damning of course is your answer to every issue is add more content. Something you as a CSM have no power to promise. New content in a game as richly developed as EVE, should not be a priority. Repairing all the content that was introduced but never polished should be.

oh man wow you've gate camped and been given access to the 8 intel channels of some large sov holding alliance/coalition?

Your experience in eve is amazing you are in like the exclusive club of... well everyone who has ever played the game and stepped out of empire.

For those of you who are actually interested in looking back into my previous Namesake, here is a quick list of the topics I did take part in. Some were game mechanic in nature, most are veteran Posts.

Please not these topics are for background purposes only, please to do attempt to ressurect these topics as most are outdated due to fixes, or changes in the mechanics prior to E3, Precursor, or later builds.

Look for the Jaxx Blake postings in these:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=195282#post195282

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=166033#post166033

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=162837#post162837

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=143013#post143013

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=141768#post141768

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=134760#post134760

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=130115#post130115

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=130106#post130106

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=128899#post128899

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=128565#post128565

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=119989#post119989

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=119671#post119671

This list is purely to show that prior to changing my name to The Black Jackal, I maintained an active forum presence. Had feedback to provide, and issues that I spoke on concerning the core mechanics of the game.

This wont satisfy everyone, but it does show I know a bit more about DUST than most people slandering my CSM thread would credit me.

You are implying that your experience makes your opinion more valid than his, I am simply pointing out that your experience is common and although sure to impress non eve players, its mundane and doesn't allow you to completely dismiss the idea, I know quite a few small alliances that would be absolutely over the moon at the prospect of delayed local.

New content is not my only answer to everything, but the fact is

New Role System? Tweak or New Content?

Modular PoS Design? Tweak or New Content?

Tiericide (roles for ships)? Is this a tweak? Or New Content?

Many would argue these drastic changes of mechanics are still 'new content' redesigning the game they know.

These are not my ideas. Not even a part of my platform (despite actually supporting them) but candidates run on these. And these changes have been asked for for years. I highly doubt that each one was individually imagined or posted in the begining by the candidates that are representing their views on them now.

Loyalty points for DUST may not be a new idea, and in all honesty, did I ever actually say it was MY idea? No... It's part of my platform. Something I support. I don't see another candidate running with a completely unique platform... even the CREST and Wormhole Candidates are running with discussed platforms.

You also don't know if I didn't discuss lp for dust amongst others during closed beta... You didn't even recall that I was once Jaxx Blake ( a fact I have actually said in some previous threads) and fought alongside you, Chao Wolf, Iron Wolf Saber, and so many others. Even saved your damn tank from swarm and forge gunners during Replication. And took out one of the 'Security Points' on that first stage of the two stage map from your top turrt, when you got your tank on the invisible walls along the right side of the map.

The Black Jackal name was then an alt, one I always intended to adopt as my main.

You have to understand something important about my role in this thread. I don't have any problem with you personally. I am just challenging you because I have high expectations of a CSM.

Ultimately, you do not have the right skillset to be CSM material. I understand the desire, I too would love to have a seat of such privilege because I believe I could do good for the community. But ultimately, I must be honest with myself and admit I don't have the right level of experience and clout to run. You can not bully ahead your way into receiving votes.

I don't even know what your new role system point is, but modular POS and tiericide are decidedly iterations on existing content instead of "new, more shiney". I would love to have a DUST CSM, but it would have to be one that respects the community and contributes to all of it, not collects ideas without credit and shows no level of humility.

This also includes an idea (if it's been posted before I apologise) of a 'Free' Taskforce Voice Channel for Corporation Battles only. Allowing EVE-Players in Orbit to communicate via voice comms with the soldiers on the ground without the inconvenience of a UVT. Making Orbital Strikes easier.

This also includes an idea (if it's been posted before I apologise) of a 'Free' Taskforce Voice Channel for Corporation Battles only. Allowing EVE-Players in Orbit to communicate via voice comms with the soldiers on the ground without the inconvenience of a UVT. Making Orbital Strikes easier.

Personally I don't want jackel to win a seat on the CSM

Breaking news:

This just in. PR of Southern Legions had this to say:



Fight the good fight Jackal. This reporter supports you and hopes your efforts today pave a path for future candidates. Even if your own corp doesn't.

You'll be DUST514's George Washington.

Personally I don't want jackel to win a seat on the CSM, its less time he can devote to running the corporation.

This just in. Sota PoP has the credibility of Fox news right down to the part about being a homophobic racist who defends likeminded individuals under the guise of free speech, for the full quote:



Or you can read more here https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=59219

lol I don't need to defend what I've said sota, I wish jackal all the best in his campaign for the CSM and if he did manage to win a seat I'd be sad because it would mean his incredible work ethic and dedication to dust and eve would be diluted and the corp I am apart would be deprived of his full attention.

You should stop before your actions start hurting Jackal's chances at CSM. I've already quoted you and posted on his thread that you don't want him as CSM.

I would comment but this line of questioning only serves to distract from a far more important issue why do you mr sota and the wider alliance of the imperfects actively defend people who express disgusting racist and homophobic views on the dust514 forums?

And isn't it true your sudden interest in harming jackals campaign is related to threats made in a thread where you have tried to claim victim status after the community took offense to your actions in defense of a racist?



Isn't it also true that until you needed a scape goat to divert attention from you and your alliance you supported Jackals campaign?

You're off topic questioning me or the imperfects. Let's get back on topic. Jackal's corp has no interest in helping DUST514 and offers no defense when persecuted. This effects his candidacy. Do you not agree?

Even the scum known as the Imps defend there own when they feel it is right. Why the side steps in Jackal's defense?

And for the record - I support him for CSM. I'm all for ANY representation at this point - ignorant as I am of the EvE side.

Today I am not here to defend Jackals campaign for CSM, simply here to respond to being taken out of context by someone with an agenda, who only questions jackals campaign after trying to silence people who take issue with racism and homophobia with threats.

Congratulations, you're no longer being taken seriously with that statement.

Today I am not here to defend Jackals campaign for CSM, simply here to respond to being taken out of context by someone with an agenda, who only questions jackals campaign after trying to silence people who take issue with racism and homophobia with threats.

Forgive me if I do not care that the self appointed leader of the dust community doesn't take me seriously.

Motive or not you gave me reason to come in here and question Jackals. Are you not of his corp? Do your opinions not represent your whole corp like everyone tells me mine does with Imps? Double Standards, much?

I guess I've made my point here. Wish you the best of luck Jackal's. Sorry I had to bring this in here to prove a point. You have my vote which doesn't count without an EvE account lol

The only point you have proven is that you'd rather use coercion and attack a third party than apologize for defending the indefensible.

Either way further proof Jackal has no idea what this community is.

The only point you have proven is that you'd rather use coercion and attack a third party than apologize for defending the indefensible.

Its good to see just how much proof you need to make statements like that, absolutely none, Jackal and I disagree on a lot of things, perhaps he sees you as a community leader, personally I just think you have an inflated ego because know how to log into an IRC channel.

I'm sorry - why do you keep bringing up subjects unrelated to this matter? Our personal qualms have nothing to do with your statements that give bad light to Black Jackal's candidacy.

And I have to ask now - is it a policy of Southern Legion to force people to apologize for believing in things that the rest of your corp doesn't believe in?

You brought it here after using it as a threat in an attempt to silence people that have a problem with racism and homophobia.

I don't speak for southern legion but I am fairly sure that we would not tolerate members making racist/homophobic statements, I for one would be at the forefront of apologizing for their actions and first inline asking for their immediate dismissal.

I am more than happy to keep this discussion in the place where it started.

You brought it here after using it as a threat in an attempt to silence people that have a problem with racism and homophobia.

I don't speak for southern legion but I am fairly sure that we would not tolerate members making racist/homophobic statements, I for one would be at the forefront of apologizing for their actions and first inline asking for their immediate dismissal.

I am more than happy to keep this discussion in the place where it started.

So... you're calling Black Jackal a Homosexual? ... I'm confused. I thought I was supposed to be calling him that yet so far I haven't nor as anyone else for that matter other than you.

Not sure who is having delusions here.

I mean if he's gay, fine by me as long as he respects my right to remain straight, comes with the territory of being a fur ball after all.

Let me clear this miss-understanding for you since you won't let it go.

You told me in another thread that for defending someones right to speech I was basically undeserving of your respect. You then continued in a different thread to say that regardless of intent of peoples words - they shouldn't be said and are taken for face value.

So I took your logic and applied it here and you call it an attack on Black Jackals. Which - it is. No doubt. But it is possible thanks to your help and logic.

Any comments? You really shouldn't be saying things and expecting a double standard for yourself.

There is no double standard here, only a desperate attempt to avoid the real issue in the other thread.

There is only one person trying to derail this topic and that's you, it started with you and i'll let you have the last word so it can end with you, you've issued an apology as terrible as it is, its about the best I expect from you so i'm going to take it and move on.

There is only one person trying to derail this topic and that's you, it started with you and i'll let you have the last word so it can end with you, you've issued an apology as terrible as it is, its about the best I expect from you so i'm going to take it and move on.

I want jackal on the CSM

Now you can't use the "his own corp doesn't want him" card :P

You are pathetic and anyone that reads from where this started will see through your attempts at misleading them.

What? I'm sorry, i've remained on topic which is called "CSM8 - A Vote for a Larger Universe" and it's about Black Jackals and his candidacy. You, on the other hand, won't stop talking about other threads. So how can you say I'm not on topic when I've done nothing but speak of the topic while you're going off about another thread?

Jackal's, if this is how your corp is handling PR I am not impressed. It's bad enough I never see you anywhere at all even when I'm awake on aussie times - it's worse when your own corp trashes you - gets called out - then blames another thread pretending they didn't do anything.

What? I'm sorry, i've remained on topic which is called "CSM8 - A Vote for a Larger Universe" and it's about Black Jackals and his candidacy. You, on the other hand, won't stop talking about other threads. So how can you say I'm not on topic when I've done nothing but speak of the topic while you're going off about another thread?

Jackal's, if this is how your corp is handling PR I am not impressed. It's bad enough I never see you anywhere at all even when I'm awake on aussie times - it's worse when your own corp trashes you - gets called out - then blames another thread pretending they didn't do anything.

Tips on PR coming from your alliance

I would like to point out Beld didn't trash Jackal. He simply stated his own opinion, that he didn't want Jackal n the CSM as it would give him less time to focus on the corp. It had nothing to do with Jackal being a bad representative.

If Beld said that he didn't want jackal as a CSM member because he thought his representation on the CSM would have a negative effect, that would be a different matter.

You are pathetic and anyone that reads from where this started will see through your attempts at misleading them.

I agree. And sorry for my use of the word 'trashes.' He's actually calling Black Jackals incompetent for being unable to manage CEO and CSM at the same time *He could handle one very well apparently according to Beld*

So explain the logic in calling us all homophobics and/or racists?

Last time I checked that required the subject of discrimination be a homosexual or of a race other than their own, to which in this thread the only person that would apply to is Black Jackal.

Either way if I was Black Jackal I would have you fired immediately for throwing out the PR card and then making the entire alliance look like something people despise stepping on because of the odor it emits.

As a PR guy you're not supposed to stoop to a low level of forum trollery.

Great way to bridge communities there Black Jackal, is this all your subordinates act? Bunch of divider behavior right here, how are you going to answer bringing dust 514 and eve online communities together when your own group of people can't even get along with its neighbors?

and this is why PR guys don't mingle on the forums. Ever.

It's actually the opposite. PR guys NEED to mingle. If they cannot properly defuse these sort of situations then they don't deserve there position. PR often acts like a first line of defense for diplomacy and politics.

Hello ladies and Gentleman, I'm taking over as PR, from this point onward :P. Beld apologies for his comments (whether he likes it or not).

1 persons comments should not be taken as the view of An entire corp. Beld's views aren't the same as mine and neither are Jackal's. Everyone will have different opinions. I could look at Iron Wolf's comments and think everyone in Betamax is opposed to Jackal being on the CSM. This is false. I could look at everyone in Negative Feedback and call them all trolls and terrible people. This is false, and while many people do it, it doesn't make it right.

Please direct all questions to me.

Ps. Beld, Jackal and I are all friends, doesn't mean we don't all have different views.

Not to be cynical or anything but I am willing to call alts.

Call alts if you will, but my alt is named Watchful Sentinel.

May I who do you think I am an alt of?

^ YOU GUYS ARE ALL A-HOLES IN YOUR OWN SPECIAL WAYS.

Hello ladies and Gentleman, I'm taking over as PR, from this point onward :P. Beld apologies for his comments (whether he likes it or not).

1 persons comments should not be taken as the view of An entire corp. Beld's views aren't the same as mine and neither are Jackal's. Everyone will have different opinions. I could look at Iron Wolf's comments and think everyone in Betamax is opposed to Jackal being on the CSM. This is false. I could look at everyone in Negative Feedback and call them all trolls and terrible people. This is false, and while many people do it, it doesn't make it right.

Please direct all questions to me.

Ps. Beld, Jackal and I are all friends, doesn't mean we don't all have different views.

This is the exact point I've been trying to make to him in other threads. Glad you could force it down on him that we all don't share the same ideas.

On that note - Beld's words still stand. He's attacked Jackal's upright and - even unintentionally - has said things that make Black Jackals seem like he would crumble eventually if he were to ever succeed on making CSM. Since they share the same corp it's easy to assume Beld would understand Black Jackals conditions better then the rest of us.

So is your previous statement a retraction to his statement and you're apologizing for his flukes - or is this an opinion of one your more well known members as a statement to the community on Black Jackals inability to multi-task two large responsibilities?

Amazing, the people posting racist and homophobic crap on the forum or defending it manage to turn this around and make me out to be the bad guy, well played scum, well played.