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SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.02.18 03:59:00 - [1] - Quote Breaking news: This just in. PR of Southern Legions had this to say: Beld Errmon wrote: Personally I don't want jackel to win a seat on the CSM Fight the good fight Jackal. This reporter supports you and hopes your efforts today pave a path for future candidates. Even if your own corp doesn't. You'll be DUST514's George Washington.
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.02.18 04:19:00 - [2] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Breaking news: This just in. PR of Southern Legions had this to say: Beld Errmon wrote: Personally I don't want jackel to win a seat on the CSM Fight the good fight Jackal. This reporter supports you and hopes your efforts today pave a path for future candidates. Even if your own corp doesn't. You'll be DUST514's George Washington. This just in. Sota PoP has the credibility of Fox news right down to the part about being a homophobic racist who defends likeminded individuals under the guise of free speech, for the full quote: Beld Errmon wrote: Personally I don't want jackel to win a seat on the CSM, its less time he can devote to running the corporation. Or you can read more here https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=59219 What was it you were saying earlier? Don't say things you don't mean? :) You made a statement that says you don't want Jackal as CSM - don't back out now that I put it out there. Poor Jackal - not even defended by his corp :( If you read through Beld's link you'll see me complimenting Jackal where Beld offered nothing in his defense.
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.02.18 04:36:00 - [3] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: lol I don't need to defend what I've said sota, I wish jackal all the best in his campaign for the CSM and if he did manage to win a seat I'd be sad because it would mean his incredible work ethic and dedication to dust and eve would be diluted and the corp I am apart would be deprived of his full attention. Good statement! Now please explain to everyone why you don't want Dust514 to have such a hard working individual helping make this game better for everyone. maybe I came at this in the wrong direction. It's not that Jackals corp doesn't support him - they don't support DUST514. Any comments, Beld?
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.02.18 05:01:00 - [4] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: I would comment but this line of questioning only serves to distract from a far more important issue why do you mr sota and the wider alliance of the imperfects actively defend people who express disgusting racist and homophobic views on the dust514 forums? And isn't it true your sudden interest in harming jackals campaign is related to threats made in a thread where you have tried to claim victim status after the community took offense to your actions in defense of a racist? SoTa PoP wrote: You should stop before your actions start hurting Jackal's chances at CSM. I've already quoted you and posted on his thread that you don't want him as CSM. Isn't it also true that until you needed a scape goat to divert attention from you and your alliance you supported Jackals campaign? You're off topic questioning me or the imperfects. Let's get back on topic. Jackal's corp has no interest in helping DUST514 and offers no defense when persecuted. This effects his candidacy. Do you not agree? Even the scum known as the Imps defend there own when they feel it is right. Why the side steps in Jackal's defense? And for the record - I support him for CSM. I'm all for ANY representation at this point - ignorant as I am of the EvE side. Are you also saying, that in spite of everything you said towards the imps about the value of words and being taken at face value - that your earlier words were a "JOKE?" That would be ironic, sir.
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.02.18 05:13:00 - [5] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: I would comment but this line of questioning only serves to distract from a far more important issue why do you mr sota and the wider alliance of the imperfects actively defend people who express disgusting racist and homophobic views on the dust514 forums? And isn't it true your sudden interest in harming jackals campaign is related to threats made in a thread where you have tried to claim victim status after the community took offense to your actions in defense of a racist? SoTa PoP wrote: You should stop before your actions start hurting Jackal's chances at CSM. I've already quoted you and posted on his thread that you don't want him as CSM. Isn't it also true that until you needed a scape goat to divert attention from you and your alliance you supported Jackals campaign? You're off topic questioning me or the imperfects. Let's get back on topic. Jackal's corp has no interest in helping DUST514 and offers no defense when persecuted. This effects his candidacy. Do you not agree? Even the scum known as the Imps defend there own when they feel it is right. Why the side steps in Jackal's defense? And for the record - I support him for CSM. I'm all for ANY representation at this point - ignorant as I am of the EvE side. Today I am not here to defend Jackals campaign for CSM, simply here to respond to being taken out of context by someone with an agenda, who only questions jackals campaign after trying to silence people who take issue with racism and homophobia with threats. Motive or not you gave me reason to come in here and question Jackals. Are you not of his corp? Do your opinions not represent your whole corp like everyone tells me mine does with Imps? Double Standards, much? I guess I've made my point here. Wish you the best of luck Jackal's. Sorry I had to bring this in here to prove a point. You have my vote which doesn't count without an EvE account lol
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.02.18 05:33:00 - [6] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Motive or not you gave me reason to come in here and question Jackals. Are you not of his corp? Do your opinions not represent your whole corp like everyone tells me mine does with Imps? Double Standards, much? I guess I've made my point here. Wish you the best of luck Jackal's. Sorry I had to bring this in here to prove a point. You have my vote which doesn't count without an EvE account lol The only point you have proven is that you'd rather use coercion and attack a third party than apologize for defending the indefensible. I'm sorry - why do you keep bringing up subjects unrelated to this matter? Our personal qualms have nothing to do with your statements that give bad light to Black Jackal's candidacy. And I have to ask now - is it a policy of Southern Legion to force people to apologize for believing in things that the rest of your corp doesn't believe in?
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.02.18 05:50:00 - [7] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: I'm sorry - why do you keep bringing up subjects unrelated to this matter? Our personal qualms have nothing to do with your statements that give bad light to Black Jackal's candidacy. And I have to ask now - is it a policy of Southern Legion to force people to apologize for believing in things that the rest of your corp doesn't believe in? You brought it here after using it as a threat in an attempt to silence people that have a problem with racism and homophobia. I don't speak for southern legion but I am fairly sure that we would not tolerate members making racist/homophobic statements, I for one would be at the forefront of apologizing for their actions and first inline asking for their immediate dismissal. I am more than happy to keep this discussion in the place where it started. Let me clear this miss-understanding for you since you won't let it go. You told me in another thread that for defending someones right to speech I was basically undeserving of your respect. You then continued in a different thread to say that regardless of intent of peoples words - they shouldn't be said and are taken for face value. So I took your logic and applied it here and you call it an attack on Black Jackals. Which - it is. No doubt. But it is possible thanks to your help and logic. Any comments? You really shouldn't be saying things and expecting a double standard for yourself.
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.02.18 06:05:00 - [8] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Let me clear this miss-understanding for you since you won't let it go. You told me in another thread that for defending someones right to speech I was basically undeserving of your respect. You then continued in a different thread to say that regardless of intent of peoples words - they shouldn't be said and are taken for face value. So I took your logic and applied it here and you call it an attack on Black Jackals. Which - it is. No doubt. But it is possible thanks to your help and logic. Any comments? You really shouldn't be saying things and expecting a double standard for yourself. There is no double standard here, only a desperate attempt to avoid the real issue in the other thread. Sir, you continue to change topics into topics not related to this one. Why? I am bringing up issues to Black Jackal and his CSM candidacy and you continue to want to derail it into a personal spat between our views on morales. I am simply using what you taught me here, that does not tie the two issues together. Do you not represent Black Jackals Corp as you and others claim me and my corp mates every word on other threads do to the imps? That's double standard if you say no. Did you not say openly you don't want him on CSM? You even go on to say he couldn't handle CSM and CEO at the same time. How far do you plan on hurting Black Jackals chances?
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.02.18 06:18:00 - [9] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: There is only one person trying to derail this topic and that's you, it started with you and i'll let you have the last word so it can end with you, you've issued an apology as terrible as it is, its about the best I expect from you so i'm going to take it and move on. What? I'm sorry, i've remained on topic which is called "CSM8 - A Vote for a Larger Universe" and it's about Black Jackals and his candidacy. You, on the other hand, won't stop talking about other threads. So how can you say I'm not on topic when I've done nothing but speak of the topic while you're going off about another thread? Jackal's, if this is how your corp is handling PR I am not impressed. It's bad enough I never see you anywhere at all even when I'm awake on aussie times - it's worse when your own corp trashes you - gets called out - then blames another thread pretending they didn't do anything.
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.02.18 06:26:00 - [10] - Quote Tectonious Falcon wrote: I want jackal on the CSM Now you can't use the "his own corp doesn't want him" card :P Consider the card destroyed.

SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.02.18 06:33:00 - [11] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: You are pathetic and anyone that reads from where this started will see through your attempts at misleading them. Stop trying to pretend your not after a double standard. You have said nothing in your defense or jackals. Just accusations of my intent which I already laid out. If it was really so easy to tell that I'm manipulating people - why can't you properly point it out? Because I am not. It is very simple. I will say it a fourth time. You told me my words and my corp mates words are taken at face value. Then you said you don't want Jackal's as CSM. So I post it here where the discussion is about his CSM candidicy and one of his PR members doesn't want him to be one - that's pretty important information. Then you gladly added how incapable he'd be to run as CEO and CSM at the same time - something I didn't even bring up. The one trying to manipulate here is you - you're trying to manipulate your way out of a very bad spot you put yourself in.
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.02.18 06:36:00 - [12] - Quote Tectonious Falcon wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: There is only one person trying to derail this topic and that's you, it started with you and i'll let you have the last word so it can end with you, you've issued an apology as terrible as it is, its about the best I expect from you so i'm going to take it and move on. What? I'm sorry, i've remained on topic which is called "CSM8 - A Vote for a Larger Universe" and it's about Black Jackals and his candidacy. You, on the other hand, won't stop talking about other threads. So how can you say I'm not on topic when I've done nothing but speak of the topic while you're going off about another thread? Jackal's, if this is how your corp is handling PR I am not impressed. It's bad enough I never see you anywhere at all even when I'm awake on aussie times - it's worse when your own corp trashes you - gets called out - then blames another thread pretending they didn't do anything. Tips on PR coming from your alliance I would like to point out Beld didn't trash Jackal. He simply stated his own opinion, that he didn't want Jackal n the CSM as it would give him less time to focus on the corp. It had nothing to do with Jackal being a bad representative. If Beld said that he didn't want jackal as a CSM member because he thought his representation on the CSM would have a negative effect, that would be a different matter. I agree. And sorry for my use of the word 'trashes.' He's actually calling Black Jackals incompetent for being unable to manage CEO and CSM at the same time He could handle one very well apparently according to Beld
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.02.18 06:45:00 - [13] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Tectonious Falcon wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: There is only one person trying to derail this topic and that's you, it started with you and i'll let you have the last word so it can end with you, you've issued an apology as terrible as it is, its about the best I expect from you so i'm going to take it and move on. What? I'm sorry, i've remained on topic which is called "CSM8 - A Vote for a Larger Universe" and it's about Black Jackals and his candidacy. You, on the other hand, won't stop talking about other threads. So how can you say I'm not on topic when I've done nothing but speak of the topic while you're going off about another thread? Jackal's, if this is how your corp is handling PR I am not impressed. It's bad enough I never see you anywhere at all even when I'm awake on aussie times - it's worse when your own corp trashes you - gets called out - then blames another thread pretending they didn't do anything. Tips on PR coming from your alliance I would like to point out Beld didn't trash Jackal. He simply stated his own opinion, that he didn't want Jackal n the CSM as it would give him less time to focus on the corp. It had nothing to do with Jackal being a bad representative. If Beld said that he didn't want jackal as a CSM member because he thought his representation on the CSM would have a negative effect, that would be a different matter. I agree. And sorry for my use of the word 'trashes.' He's actually calling Black Jackals incompetent for being unable to manage CEO and CSM at the same time He could handle one very well apparently according to Beld and this is why PR guys don't mingle on the forums. Ever. It's actually the opposite. PR guys NEED to mingle. If they cannot properly defuse these sort of situations then they don't deserve there position. PR often acts like a first line of defense for diplomacy and politics.
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.02.18 06:55:00 - [14] - Quote Tectonious Falcon wrote: Hello ladies and Gentleman, I'm taking over as PR, from this point onward :P. Beld apologies for his comments (whether he likes it or not). 1 persons comments should not be taken as the view of An entire corp. Beld's views aren't the same as mine and neither are Jackal's. Everyone will have different opinions. I could look at Iron Wolf's comments and think everyone in Betamax is opposed to Jackal being on the CSM. This is false. I could look at everyone in Negative Feedback and call them all trolls and terrible people. This is false, and while many people do it, it doesn't make it right. Please direct all questions to me. Ps. Beld, Jackal and I are all friends, doesn't mean we don't all have different views. This is the exact point I've been trying to make to him in other threads. Glad you could force it down on him that we all don't share the same ideas. On that note - Beld's words still stand. He's attacked Jackal's upright and - even unintentionally - has said things that make Black Jackals seem like he would crumble eventually if he were to ever succeed on making CSM. Since they share the same corp it's easy to assume Beld would understand Black Jackals conditions better then the rest of us. So is your previous statement a retraction to his statement and you're apologizing for his flukes - or is this an opinion of one your more well known members as a statement to the community on Black Jackals inability to multi-task two large responsibilities?
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.02.18 07:11:00 - [15] - Quote Tectonious Falcon wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Tectonious Falcon wrote: Hello ladies and Gentleman, I'm taking over as PR, from this point onward :P. Beld apologies for his comments (whether he likes it or not). 1 persons comments should not be taken as the view of An entire corp. Beld's views aren't the same as mine and neither are Jackal's. Everyone will have different opinions. I could look at Iron Wolf's comments and think everyone in Betamax is opposed to Jackal being on the CSM. This is false. I could look at everyone in Negative Feedback and call them all trolls and terrible people. This is false, and while many people do it, it doesn't make it right. Please direct all questions to me. Ps. Beld, Jackal and I are all friends, doesn't mean we don't all have different views. This is the exact point I've been trying to make to him in other threads. Glad you could force it down on him that we all don't share the same ideas. On that note - Beld's words still stand. He's attacked Jackal's upright and - even unintentionally - has said things that make Black Jackals seem like he would crumble eventually if he were to ever succeed on making CSM. Since they share the same corp it's easy to assume Beld would understand Black Jackals conditions better then the rest of us. So is your previous statement a retraction to his statement and you're apologizing for his flukes - or is this an opinion of one your more well known members as a statement to the community on Black Jackals inability to multi-task two large responsibilities? All Beld meant by that statement was that if Jackal got a position on the CSM, he would become very busy. If Jackal became that busy, he may have less time to deal with all things himself. Jackal could still manage both things at once, but he would have LESS time to put into the corp, and Beld knows that Jackal has done a great job setting up and running The Southern Legion and doesn't want all of his hard work to be it at risk. Personally, I trust whoever Jackal decides to be directors, and am not worried about the state of the corp should he become a CSM member. Glad to hear it. Sorry again for taking over the thread. Beld needed a spanking in the ways of the forum warrior. Good luck with everything. Southern Legions is a great corp and you handle PR well.
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.02.18 07:26:00 - [16] - Quote Tectonious Falcon wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Tectonious Falcon wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Tectonious Falcon wrote: Hello ladies and Gentleman, I'm taking over as PR, from this point onward :P. Beld apologies for his comments (whether he likes it or not). 1 persons comments should not be taken as the view of An entire corp. Beld's views aren't the same as mine and neither are Jackal's. Everyone will have different opinions. I could look at Iron Wolf's comments and think everyone in Betamax is opposed to Jackal being on the CSM. This is false. I could look at everyone in Negative Feedback and call them all trolls and terrible people. This is false, and while many people do it, it doesn't make it right. Please direct all questions to me. Ps. Beld, Jackal and I are all friends, doesn't mean we don't all have different views. This is the exact point I've been trying to make to him in other threads. Glad you could force it down on him that we all don't share the same ideas. On that note - Beld's words still stand. He's attacked Jackal's upright and - even unintentionally - has said things that make Black Jackals seem like he would crumble eventually if he were to ever succeed on making CSM. Since they share the same corp it's easy to assume Beld would understand Black Jackals conditions better then the rest of us. So is your previous statement a retraction to his statement and you're apologizing for his flukes - or is this an opinion of one your more well known members as a statement to the community on Black Jackals inability to multi-task two large responsibilities? All Beld meant by that statement was that if Jackal got a position on the CSM, he would become very busy. If Jackal became that busy, he may have less time to deal with all things himself. Jackal could still manage both things at once, but he would have LESS time to put into the corp, and Beld knows that Jackal has done a great job setting up and running The Southern Legion and doesn't want all of his hard work to be it at risk. Personally, I trust whoever Jackal decides to be directors, and am not worried about the state of the corp should he become a CSM member. Glad to hear it. Sorry again for taking over the thread. Beld needed a spanking in the ways of the forum warrior. Good luck with everything. Southern Legions is a great corp and you handle PR well. Many people get defensive if they feel something important to them has been insulted. Beld felt that you and others were slandering gays and other races, and was simply trying to stick up for himself and others. I'm sure if I insulted Texans you would at least feel something. While what Beld did wasn't necessarily right, I can understand why he did it, and I hope you can too. We are all human after all. I've just finished posting an apology to him in the thread he linked earlier. I understood his position from the beginning - it was his lack of understanding mine that made me push. But I don't hold grudges and prefer us as a dust community to get a long.
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.02.18 07:41:00 - [17] - Quote Deadeyes Anterie wrote: Woah has Internal Error mellowed you out Sota Pop? I like this kumbaya attitude. This is actually me. I've just been trolling a bit too much and forget to show my sexy side. Even if you're not perfect for the job Jackal's - you're the only one pushing with even a slight chance. Since I don't see a way a poor CSM could actually harm us over not having one at all - I'm all for you lol
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.02.18 08:08:00 - [18] - Quote Nice - Congratulations Tectonious Falcon! You can send me a thank you for the drama that boosted you to a promotion in the form of ISK later. Keep up the good work on the campaign Black Jackals.
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.02.18 08:30:00 - [19] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Deadeyes Anterie wrote: Woah has Internal Error mellowed you out Sota Pop? I like this kumbaya attitude. This is actually me. I've just been trolling a bit too much and forget to show my sexy side. Even if you're not perfect for the job Jackal's - you're the only one pushing with even a slight chance. Since I don't see a way a poor CSM could actually harm us over not having one at all - I'm all for you lol A poor CSM hurts us more than no representative. My knowledge on the matter is limited to forum disputes and posts. I understand the magnitude but not what it pertains. I just simply understand representation goes a long way. If you say it's possible for a CSM to be negative though I'll have to look into the notes passed my way sometime ago about past CSM meetings. I've been curious for some time now.