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The Black Jackal
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Posted - 2013.02.16 03:00:00 -
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Tiel Syysch wrote:The Black Jackal wrote:
I understand what you are saying, but as I have also stated. Separating the community is not good for either game. It simply breeds a caste society. EVE Vs. DUST... not EVE and DUST, or not NEW EDEN.
It's not separating the community, it's separating the representatives so they can discuss mechanics specific to each game with people who are knowledgeable of said mechanics. People who are representing EVE's community's interests have no reason to influence DUST mechanics, just like the DUST community's representatives shouldn't be influencing various EVE mechanics. It would be nice for them all to have understanding of both games, but there's nothing stopping there being a separate panel for each and them coming together when interactivity is discussed (which will be in the minority of instances of problems and concerns the games are facing). Explain why an EVE player who is representing EVE's community's interests should be responsible for discussing dropsuit role balancing, and why a DUST player who is representing DUST's community's interests should be responsible for discussing SOV and Nullsec warfare, and maybe you'll have a leg to stand on.
Explain why a High Sec Mission Runner should be helping with null sec sovereignty. Why a Wormhole candidate should have a voice for faction Warfare... DUST is an Aspect of New Eden. And within my platform, I have a broad range of areas I have experience with, showing that whatever the topic is, whether it be DUST, Faction Warfare, or Null sec, I can put forth ideas, and discuss ideas. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.02.16 03:54:00 -
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The Black Jackal wrote:Tiel Syysch wrote:The Black Jackal wrote:
I understand what you are saying, but as I have also stated. Separating the community is not good for either game. It simply breeds a caste society. EVE Vs. DUST... not EVE and DUST, or not NEW EDEN.
It's not separating the community, it's separating the representatives so they can discuss mechanics specific to each game with people who are knowledgeable of said mechanics. People who are representing EVE's community's interests have no reason to influence DUST mechanics, just like the DUST community's representatives shouldn't be influencing various EVE mechanics. It would be nice for them all to have understanding of both games, but there's nothing stopping there being a separate panel for each and them coming together when interactivity is discussed (which will be in the minority of instances of problems and concerns the games are facing). Explain why an EVE player who is representing EVE's community's interests should be responsible for discussing dropsuit role balancing, and why a DUST player who is representing DUST's community's interests should be responsible for discussing SOV and Nullsec warfare, and maybe you'll have a leg to stand on. Explain why a High Sec Mission Runner should be helping with null sec sovereignty. Why a Wormhole candidate should have a voice for faction Warfare... DUST is an Aspect of New Eden. And within my platform, I have a broad range of areas I have experience with, showing that whatever the topic is, whether it be DUST, Faction Warfare, or Null sec, I can put forth ideas, and discuss ideas.
Prove it. |
The Black Jackal
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2013.02.16 11:11:00 -
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Prove what? I put forth ideas in my Platform. I have discussed these ideas with many, outed them in a world-wide distributed interview.
I have lived in high sec, low sec, null sec. Taken part in Mission Running, Industry, Mining Operations, Sovereignty Warfare, most recently Faction Warfare both EVE-side and what currently classifies as such DUST-side.
The fact that I defend my ideas doesn't mean I am not open to such discussions. As I have freely admitted to many. But when my ideas are blatantly attacked, without provocative arguments otherwise.
People have said my ideas are self-serving... but offered no arguments as to why. People have them said that all my ideas are common 'popular' ideas... yet where's their discussion?
I am willing to have a discussion, as soon as one is brought before me. Give me a reasonable discussive topic that IS NOT an attack, backed by FACTS, QUOTES, and actual recorded materials, and I will discuss the different points of view.
Character assassination is not a valid excuse to constantly attack someone's beliefs, and what they believe would help the community. It is a petty, cruel, and often self-serving act.
Bring me a logically formed argument, backed by facts that counter my own. Give me a Quote of someone who says having a DUST representative on CSM8 would be a terribly horrid idea who is serving on CSM7. Give me a podcast that refutes my own. Counter each of my factual points with your own, and then we are having a discussion.
If I didn't defend my own points of view, then I would lack conviction and faith in my own ideas, and wouldn't bother standing up and saying 'look here I am, I want to be a representative of New Eden.' I would slink into the background, snipe at those who did stand up for their own convictions.
Every single person is entitled to their own opinion. I have said repeatedly, that I respect the opinions. Even said I respected the efforts of the Unofficial CPM in getting Corporations pre-release. Which led to so many other things. Just because I believe it shouldn't be an official elected body set apart from the CSM doesn't mean that I have no respect for those people.
You attack my ideas, with no conclusive arguments, and when I defend with logical outlines, including breaking down my entire platform and spelling out how I believe it would impact on the EVE / DUST Link, you do not refute my claims. You attack, personal slander.
Lately, I have been amused that I have got MORE support for my candidacy from EVE-side than the DUST-side I want to represent. But that is exacltty the reason I spend so much time here, trying to convince you that this is what I belive DUST needs to survive beyond being a 'great game'.
So the challenge, bring me a quoted argument, built on factual quotes, counter-campaign against me if you must, or campaign for your CPM. Stop resorting to biased slander, and personal attacks.
If you truly cared about the quality of this game, you would see that right there, in forum rules, Personal Attacks are not allowed by forum participants. Attacking me, and not my ideas, and even creating an entire topic of character assassination are nothing but personal attacks. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.02.16 16:40:00 -
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Ideas are not proof. If anything ideas are only proof that you don't know the game that well.
Overall once again Prove it.
Lets start with a simple one, how many estimated sectors there are in wormhole space |
The Black Jackal
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2013.02.17 02:32:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Ideas are not proof. If anything ideas are only proof that you don't know the game that well.
Overall once again Prove it.
Lets start with a simple one, how many estimated sectors there are in wormhole space
Pretty sure I have said the one area I haven't ahd that mych experience with is wormholes. Said it alot actually, even during the interview that clearly you either didn't lsten to, or didn't pay attention to.
Also, by sectors do you means regions? Or constellations of Wormhole Space?
Last estimate I heard was an estimated 30 Wormhole 'Regions' and 323 Wormhole 'Constellations' to use the terms they were attempted to be mapped in.
It was also estimated that there were around 2498 Wormhole 'Systems'.
As I said, wormhole are one part of New Eden I have admitted I am lacking knowledge in, so my figures may be off. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.02.17 03:55:00 -
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They where originally called sectors because of how far apart and 'unlinked' The original effort to map the entire cluster was mindbogglingly complicated astronomic math models made and excruciating efforts to map out the Anoikis Cluster. Expeditions to sector 30 are still not fully done yet, the advent rising of wormhole dwellers is making expedition efforts much more difficult to find out what exactly happened to tall the Talocan. However whatever wiped out the sleepers wiped out the the nomadic Talocan as well.
Also stop lying and saying think estimate or thought, those numbers are easily found using Google. It would have been believable if you said 2-3k systems and 300 'constellations.'
BTW. I never flown into wormhole space, I got kidnapped once into it (by jovians), just watched the egg heads from the sidelines when people where trying their best to map it out and sharing theories on how to. That was back then when request for rescues from wh space was very common threads of the day and I had little to author as I was neither an astronomer or a mathematician. These days I love how large scale fights happen in wormhole space and how highly highly creative the people are in implementing combat theory where its still mostly untested raw grounds and building ships around those effects.
Now here is a platform I want to pick apart, What dare say advantage does creating delayed local do for 'small alliances'?
Mind you I clocked over 300 hours on gate guard and patrols and had access to about 8 Intel nets. I would like to see how your 'preconception' of delayed local is going to give you an advantage against ability to hear a gate activate and see what pops though.
Have you ever gone into the intel net side of New Eden? Ever wondered how befittingly complicated some of the more advanced alliances are and how unfair of a disadvantage of everyone else who doesn't have such nets are? |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects
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Posted - 2013.02.17 04:17:00 -
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I have never held sov and even I can tell your ideas are terrible for null. Drop that portion of your platform or continue to be embarrassed. (I have lived and fought in null, just a fan of small operations). You don't even understand how to defend the one good idea you jimmied into your announcement, which is delayed local.
Your good ideas for faction warfare are all cribbed apologetically and, more insultingly, without credit to their proponents. Loyalty points in DUST? I'm sorry but you're months too late to pretend that is something YOU would represent adding to the game.
Most damning of course is your answer to every issue is add more content. Something you as a CSM have no power to promise. New content in a game as richly developed as EVE, should not be a priority. Repairing all the content that was introduced but never polished should be. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.02.17 05:03:00 -
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I just took a browse though the thread you started Eve Online side. You're faring worse there... care to explain? |
Zekain Kade
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Posted - 2013.02.17 05:52:00 -
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Damn, this is brutal. |
Paran Tadec
Imperfects
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Posted - 2013.02.17 05:55:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:I have never held sov and even I can tell your ideas are terrible for null. Drop that portion of your platform or continue to be embarrassed. (I have lived and fought in null, just a fan of small operations). You don't even understand how to defend the one good idea you jimmied into your announcement, which is delayed local.
Your good ideas for faction warfare are all cribbed apologetically and, more insultingly, without credit to their proponents. Loyalty points in DUST? I'm sorry but you're months too late to pretend that is something YOU would represent adding to the game.
Most damning of course is your answer to every issue is add more content. Something you as a CSM have no power to promise. New content in a game as richly developed as EVE, should not be a priority. Repairing all the content that was introduced but never polished should be.
this.
Biomass jackel nao. |
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The Black Jackal
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2013.02.17 09:46:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:They where originally called sectors because of how far apart and 'unlinked' The original effort to map the entire cluster was mindbogglingly complicated astronomic math models made and excruciating efforts to map out the Anoikis Cluster. Expeditions to sector 30 are still not fully done yet, the advent rising of wormhole dwellers is making expedition efforts much more difficult to find out what exactly happened to tall the Talocan. However whatever wiped out the sleepers wiped out the the nomadic Talocan as well.
Also stop lying and saying think estimate or thought, those numbers are easily found using Google. It would have been believable if you said 2-3k systems and 300 'constellations.'
BTW. I never flown into wormhole space, I got kidnapped once into it (by jovians), just watched the egg heads from the sidelines when people where trying their best to map it out and sharing theories on how to. That was back then when request for rescues from wh space was very common threads of the day and I had little to author as I was neither an astronomer or a mathematician. These days I love how large scale fights happen in wormhole space and how highly highly creative the people are in implementing combat theory where its still mostly untested raw grounds and building ships around those effects.
Now here is a platform I want to pick apart, What dare say advantage does creating delayed local do for 'small alliances'?
Mind you I clocked over 300 hours on gate guard and patrols and had access to about 8 Intel nets. I would like to see how your 'preconception' of delayed local is going to give you an advantage against ability to hear a gate activate and see what pops though.
Have you ever gone into the intel net side of New Eden? Ever wondered how befittingly complicated some of the more advanced alliances are and how unfair of a disadvantage of everyone else who doesn't have such nets are?
First off, I never said I thought, or I think... I said 'it was estimated' or 'it is estimated' since, as you even yourself have stated that not all of the wormhole cluster has been mapped. You wanted an answer, I gave you one.
Delayed local is a debate that has gone on for a while in EVE Online. Granted it isn't a new idea, but when it comes to advocating a position, I am for having a delayed local. Why? Because it enables tactics and strategies that rely on surprise and stealth.
Speaking to 'real world' for a second. The most effective way to wage war against a larger entity is to spread their forces thin, strike where they are least defended, and strike with whatever advantage you can.
I have been on patrol, been in multiple intelligence channels also. The Northern Coalition that I was a part of maintained a huge presence and multiple Intel Channels. Yet, once for a few laughs, I took a tour around Venal, staying in Null sec, across the north, ending up in Fountain, round the south, into Deklein and back up into Geminate where I was currently housed with DEMON HUNTERS.
All in all, it was a huge trip. I did it in a Warpstabbed Frigate, and aceross the entire trip, I ran across ONE.. just ONE Gatecamp. And it was in Syndicate, NPC space. Yet I saw alot of people in local, especially in the Drone Regions (seems being Australian TZ is closer to Russian Time Zones, and I was surely reported on intel.. but was only visually spotted once.
Had I been a roaming gang, I could have set up a gate camp on any number of pipes, and with delayed local, they wouldn't have known I was there at all. Now as to why this would help the 'little' guy.
Guerilla Tactics are the bread and butter of destabilizing a large government entity. The same is no different in EVE Online. The difference being that if they have even one person in that system.. even if they are not on the gate, they will know you're coming... and with the number of pipes, assets, and the fact they know theie own space very well, they can generally guess within a system or two your destination, and stop you.
Large alliances already have this advatage. And if you implement delayed Local, they would HAVE to guard each 'border' gate of their controlled space with someone to capture anyone coming through and report the movement. Not just have someone in local. Each person on a gate, whether an alt, or a main, is one less person that alliance has to fight invaders, rat and earn isk, or mine. This the larger coalitions will need to either invest in creating alts to guard gates, actively check those alts to ensure they catch people coming through visually, or run more patrols. The more space they have, the more they will have to invest in this 'border security'.
Small alliances, holding 1 or 2 systems, or 6 systems, will need to invest less manpower in intel gathering on gates.
This promotes smaller alliance territories, defined border 'systems' that are easier to maintain a patrol on, and allows stelthy 'behind-lines' strikes and gives purpose to covert operations when compared to current mechanics which give you almost no advantage at all. |
Beld Errmon
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.17 09:55:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
Now here is a platform I want to pick apart, What dare say advantage does creating delayed local do for 'small alliances'?
Mind you I clocked over 300 hours on gate guard and patrols and had access to about 8 Intel nets. I would like to see how your 'preconception' of delayed local is going to give you an advantage against ability to hear a gate activate and see what pops though.
Have you ever gone into the intel net side of New Eden? Ever wondered how befittingly complicated some of the more advanced alliances are and how unfair of a disadvantage of everyone else who doesn't have such nets are?
oh man wow you've gate camped and been given access to the 8 intel channels of some large sov holding alliance/coalition?
Your experience in eve is amazing you are in like the exclusive club of... well everyone who has ever played the game and stepped out of empire. |
Heinz Doofenshertz
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Posted - 2013.02.17 10:05:00 -
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Yeah, sorry bro, delayed local would not do anything to territory sizes, and would allow larger allainces to crush smaller corps trying to holds small areas.
If you want to change the culture and control in Null sec, you have to change how sov works and what rules it uses to give it to you.
I have lived in almost every region of null sec. half the time, as you said, your alone. there are massive numbers of systems that are claimed, but never used, why because the big alliances want them. If you change the sov mechanics so that the people that populate systems, IE run plexs, mine, or kill other pilots, then you will either force the large alliances to use the systems they claim, or they lose them. this would allow smaller allainces to come in and get space, they would make deals with the bigger ones to hold and protect the borders and then actually be able to do it. The current sov system is crap, everyone knows this, but no one wants it changed because they will lose power.
Intel is easy to get, scanners, spies, locator agents. local only tells you who is already on top of you, at that point it's too late for anything but running.
Wormholes are dangerous, they were never meant to be colonized. I was the first person to drop a tower in one, I put my tower up two hours after the build for wormholes was put up on the test server, many of the first tests in w-space on sisi were run from my pos. the devs never thought it would be viable, I pulled it off. Sure it doesn't have a true local, as you only show up if your dumb enough to talk, but after it went live any decent corp using one always had atleast one person sitting in a cloaked ship scanning the system to make sure they weren't about to get ganked. guess what, the loss of local did nothing, people would know when you come in, they would run for safety. even local in null sec doesn't save everyone, because not everyone pays attention.
If you really want to be on the CSM, figure out the real issues, not just what people are whining about. Null sec the issue is sov, not intel. With Dust, we don't have any real issues yet. we have alot of whining, alot of half finished Ideas, but those just need time, during this build I have seen threads on every single thing in game being overpowered, or underpowered, threads die, they come back, and the devs have changed nothing.
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Mercian Enforcer
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.02.17 10:18:00 -
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We're all reps thats what the forum is for...... |
The Black Jackal
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2013.02.17 10:20:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:I have never held sov and even I can tell your ideas are terrible for null. Drop that portion of your platform or continue to be embarrassed. (I have lived and fought in null, just a fan of small operations). You don't even understand how to defend the one good idea you jimmied into your announcement, which is delayed local.
Your good ideas for faction warfare are all cribbed apologetically and, more insultingly, without credit to their proponents. Loyalty points in DUST? I'm sorry but you're months too late to pretend that is something YOU would represent adding to the game.
Most damning of course is your answer to every issue is add more content. Something you as a CSM have no power to promise. New content in a game as richly developed as EVE, should not be a priority. Repairing all the content that was introduced but never polished should be.
New content is not my only answer to everything, but the fact is
New Role System? Tweak or New Content?
Modular PoS Design? Tweak or New Content?
Tiericide (roles for ships)? Is this a tweak? Or New Content?
Many would argue these drastic changes of mechanics are still 'new content' redesigning the game they know.
These are not my ideas. Not even a part of my platform (despite actually supporting them) but candidates run on these. And these changes have been asked for for years. I highly doubt that each one was individually imagined or posted in the begining by the candidates that are representing their views on them now.
Loyalty points for DUST may not be a new idea, and in all honesty, did I ever actually say it was MY idea? No... It's part of my platform. Something I support. I don't see another candidate running with a completely unique platform... even the CREST and Wormhole Candidates are running with discussed platforms.
You also don't know if I didn't discuss lp for dust amongst others during closed beta... You didn't even recall that I was once Jaxx Blake ( a fact I have actually said in some previous threads) and fought alongside you, Chao Wolf, Iron Wolf Saber, and so many others. Even saved your damn tank from swarm and forge gunners during Replication. And took out one of the 'Security Points' on that first stage of the two stage map from your top turrt, when you got your tank on the invisible walls along the right side of the map.
The Black Jackal name was then an alt, one I always intended to adopt as my main.
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The Black Jackal
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2013.02.17 12:38:00 -
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For those of you who are actually interested in looking back into my previous Namesake, here is a quick list of the topics I did take part in. Some were game mechanic in nature, most are veteran Posts.
Please not these topics are for background purposes only, please to do attempt to ressurect these topics as most are outdated due to fixes, or changes in the mechanics prior to E3, Precursor, or later builds.
Look for the Jaxx Blake postings in these:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=195282#post195282
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=166033#post166033
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=162837#post162837
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=143013#post143013
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=141768#post141768
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=134760#post134760
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=130115#post130115
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=130106#post130106
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=128899#post128899
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=128565#post128565
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=119989#post119989
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=119671#post119671
This list is purely to show that prior to changing my name to The Black Jackal, I maintained an active forum presence. Had feedback to provide, and issues that I spoke on concerning the core mechanics of the game.
This wont satisfy everyone, but it does show I know a bit more about DUST than most people slandering my CSM thread would credit me. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.02.17 14:28:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
Now here is a platform I want to pick apart, What dare say advantage does creating delayed local do for 'small alliances'?
Mind you I clocked over 300 hours on gate guard and patrols and had access to about 8 Intel nets. I would like to see how your 'preconception' of delayed local is going to give you an advantage against ability to hear a gate activate and see what pops though.
Have you ever gone into the intel net side of New Eden? Ever wondered how befittingly complicated some of the more advanced alliances are and how unfair of a disadvantage of everyone else who doesn't have such nets are?
oh man wow you've gate camped and been given access to the 8 intel channels of some large sov holding alliance/coalition? Your experience in eve is amazing you are in like the exclusive club of... well everyone who has ever played the game and stepped out of empire.
Dear sir,
I am implying that The Black Jackal doesn't have this experience, as he thinks a delayed local would help smaller alliances which last time I checked don't have intel central or intel nets.
He does not understand that at all. Him crying for local's removal makes him nearly as childish as most of the gank-bears crying the inability to suicide gank people in high sec at a profit.
You know what would be functionally better? As backwards as it sounds... delayed/no local in high sec has far better implications for game play. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.02.17 14:33:00 -
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Who da fudge is Jaxx Blake?
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Beld Errmon
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.17 14:42:00 -
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You are implying that your experience makes your opinion more valid than his, I am simply pointing out that your experience is common and although sure to impress non eve players, its mundane and doesn't allow you to completely dismiss the idea, I know quite a few small alliances that would be absolutely over the moon at the prospect of delayed local. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.02.17 15:05:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:You are implying that your experience makes your opinion more valid than his, I am simply pointing out that your experience is common and although sure to impress non eve players, its mundane and doesn't allow you to completely dismiss the idea, I know quite a few small alliances that would be absolutely over the moon at the prospect of delayed local.
Actually it does... What makes it worse is though I am by far no expert in any field and I am looking at this guy like the idiot the FC tells us to shoot on the first fleet out because he made a mistake. Much more so the guy still does not listen all that well, a core requirement of CSM.
As to back on topic, ever had a present you really wanted and when you finally got it, it was not cut out what you wanted it to be?
As a long time eve player and having seen the effects of several major attempts to curb player behavior lets just say that any new feature that seemingly is good for a small alliance or younger players is going to to benefit a much larger alliance much more.
Lets just say that the way Intel centers mimic real life ones, there is absolutely no advantage a delayed local would give a small alliance, for example pandemic legion. Contact one of them and tell them you have got a carrier hictored but not the fire power to blow it up, at a risk to yourself you could provide a cyno and well they're all over that within minutes with more on standby in case it escalates.
So when your local system starts getting infested by sneakers and logoffskis and they decide to blow up your next mining operation you desperately need to replace the only super carrier your alliance had because Black Jackal accidentally it to a pandemic legion fleet, don't come crying to me when they hit the jump freighter convoy instead. |
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Noc Tempre
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Posted - 2013.02.17 16:02:00 -
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The Black Jackal wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:I have never held sov and even I can tell your ideas are terrible for null. Drop that portion of your platform or continue to be embarrassed. (I have lived and fought in null, just a fan of small operations). You don't even understand how to defend the one good idea you jimmied into your announcement, which is delayed local.
Your good ideas for faction warfare are all cribbed apologetically and, more insultingly, without credit to their proponents. Loyalty points in DUST? I'm sorry but you're months too late to pretend that is something YOU would represent adding to the game.
Most damning of course is your answer to every issue is add more content. Something you as a CSM have no power to promise. New content in a game as richly developed as EVE, should not be a priority. Repairing all the content that was introduced but never polished should be. New content is not my only answer to everything, but the fact is New Role System? Tweak or New Content? Modular PoS Design? Tweak or New Content? Tiericide (roles for ships)? Is this a tweak? Or New Content? Many would argue these drastic changes of mechanics are still 'new content' redesigning the game they know. These are not my ideas. Not even a part of my platform (despite actually supporting them) but candidates run on these. And these changes have been asked for for years. I highly doubt that each one was individually imagined or posted in the begining by the candidates that are representing their views on them now. Loyalty points for DUST may not be a new idea, and in all honesty, did I ever actually say it was MY idea? No... It's part of my platform. Something I support. I don't see another candidate running with a completely unique platform... even the CREST and Wormhole Candidates are running with discussed platforms. You also don't know if I didn't discuss lp for dust amongst others during closed beta... You didn't even recall that I was once Jaxx Blake ( a fact I have actually said in some previous threads) and fought alongside you, Chao Wolf, Iron Wolf Saber, and so many others. Even saved your damn tank from swarm and forge gunners during Replication. And took out one of the 'Security Points' on that first stage of the two stage map from your top turrt, when you got your tank on the invisible walls along the right side of the map. The Black Jackal name was then an alt, one I always intended to adopt as my main.
You have to understand something important about my role in this thread. I don't have any problem with you personally. I am just challenging you because I have high expectations of a CSM.
Ultimately, you do not have the right skillset to be CSM material. I understand the desire, I too would love to have a seat of such privilege because I believe I could do good for the community. But ultimately, I must be honest with myself and admit I don't have the right level of experience and clout to run. You can not bully ahead your way into receiving votes.
I don't even know what your new role system point is, but modular POS and tiericide are decidedly iterations on existing content instead of "new, more shiney". I would love to have a DUST CSM, but it would have to be one that respects the community and contributes to all of it, not collects ideas without credit and shows no level of humility. |
The Black Jackal
The Southern Legion
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Noc Tempre wrote:The Black Jackal wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:I have never held sov and even I can tell your ideas are terrible for null. Drop that portion of your platform or continue to be embarrassed. (I have lived and fought in null, just a fan of small operations). You don't even understand how to defend the one good idea you jimmied into your announcement, which is delayed local.
Your good ideas for faction warfare are all cribbed apologetically and, more insultingly, without credit to their proponents. Loyalty points in DUST? I'm sorry but you're months too late to pretend that is something YOU would represent adding to the game.
Most damning of course is your answer to every issue is add more content. Something you as a CSM have no power to promise. New content in a game as richly developed as EVE, should not be a priority. Repairing all the content that was introduced but never polished should be. New content is not my only answer to everything, but the fact is New Role System? Tweak or New Content? Modular PoS Design? Tweak or New Content? Tiericide (roles for ships)? Is this a tweak? Or New Content? Many would argue these drastic changes of mechanics are still 'new content' redesigning the game they know. These are not my ideas. Not even a part of my platform (despite actually supporting them) but candidates run on these. And these changes have been asked for for years. I highly doubt that each one was individually imagined or posted in the begining by the candidates that are representing their views on them now. Loyalty points for DUST may not be a new idea, and in all honesty, did I ever actually say it was MY idea? No... It's part of my platform. Something I support. I don't see another candidate running with a completely unique platform... even the CREST and Wormhole Candidates are running with discussed platforms. You also don't know if I didn't discuss lp for dust amongst others during closed beta... You didn't even recall that I was once Jaxx Blake ( a fact I have actually said in some previous threads) and fought alongside you, Chao Wolf, Iron Wolf Saber, and so many others. Even saved your damn tank from swarm and forge gunners during Replication. And took out one of the 'Security Points' on that first stage of the two stage map from your top turrt, when you got your tank on the invisible walls along the right side of the map. The Black Jackal name was then an alt, one I always intended to adopt as my main. You have to understand something important about my role in this thread. I don't have any problem with you personally. I am just challenging you because I have high expectations of a CSM. Ultimately, you do not have the right skillset to be CSM material. I understand the desire, I too would love to have a seat of such privilege because I believe I could do good for the community. But ultimately, I must be honest with myself and admit I don't have the right level of experience and clout to run. You can not bully ahead your way into receiving votes. I don't even know what your new role system point is, but modular POS and tiericide are decidedly iterations on existing content instead of "new, more shiney". I would love to have a DUST CSM, but it would have to be one that respects the community and contributes to all of it, not collects ideas without credit and shows no level of humility.
The New Role System is an alteration of the current Corporate Roles found in EVE online. Making the UI less clunky, more user friendly, but also adding in the ability to set specific security privelages and the like to ensure the safety of Corporate,, Personal, or Alliance PoSes.
I'm with you on the Modular PoS and Tiericide being updated content, but many in the EVE community see Modular PoSes as a fairly hefty reworking, as much required to pull it off as 'New' Content. Some even classify it as 'new' since it changes the way the game currently works. (I do have a sneaking suspicion they are the people who like to... take advantage of said systems.)
I'm not expecting to bully my way into getting votes. I have stated my platform, defended it, even as you requested to the point of breaking it down and stating how I believe it would impact on, and improve the game. Stood against personal attacks, including your own that said I was at first, being purely self-serving with my ideas, and later saying I copy and pasted the ideas from 'popular community idea threads'.
In regards to respecting the community, I have on multiple threads, stated my respect. Even for the ersatz CPM (despite not agreeing with it's formation) in what good work it has done in helping the developers of DUST see certain flaws in this gameplay, and yes, getting Corporations introduced early, as well as many others.
The fact remains, however, that in my belief, and the belief of many others too, that in order for DUST to survive beyond being a simple (though much deeper than most) FPS, it needs to have the proposed Integration to EVE Online, and furthermore, it must have the backing of Capsuleers who 'want' DUST 514 Soldiers in their Universe.
Rewarding mutual behaviour, such as Orbital Strikes, is key to my platform. As is pushing the way DUST Soldiers interact. (I used a bad example when it came to Walking in Stations) but the intent behind that part of the platform is to promote social interaction between DUST and EVE beyond the limited scope we have now.
This also includes an idea (if it's been posted before I apologise) of a 'Free' Taskforce Voice Channel for Corporation Battles only. Allowing EVE-Players in Orbit to communicate via voice comms with the soldiers on the ground without the inconvenience of a UVT. Making Orbital Strikes easier. |
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Posted - 2013.02.17 22:28:00 -
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... why in the hell are you going to get elected for a csm position over material that's in work by the developers RIGHT NOW!?
Keep up with the times, this is all slated features from months ago for the 'LAUNCH BUILD'
My gawd I don't need more proof you don't lurk on these forums enough. |
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Posted - 2013.02.17 23:41:00 -
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The Black Jackal wrote:
This also includes an idea (if it's been posted before I apologise) of a 'Free' Taskforce Voice Channel for Corporation Battles only. Allowing EVE-Players in Orbit to communicate via voice comms with the soldiers on the ground without the inconvenience of a UVT. Making Orbital Strikes easier.
As far as I'm aware, we already have three player-created channels for the purpose of organizing OBs, one for general use and two others for faction-specific requests.
And we're supposed to trust you to know what's going on in the community? |
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Posted - 2013.02.17 23:42:00 -
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The Black Jackal wrote:
This also includes an idea (if it's been posted before I apologise) of a 'Free' Taskforce Voice Channel for Corporation Battles only. Allowing EVE-Players in Orbit to communicate via voice comms with the soldiers on the ground without the inconvenience of a UVT. Making Orbital Strikes easier.
How on earth are you not aware of Kain Spero's efforts with the DUST OB channels? He's not demanding a seat to get it done, he's already doing it. UVT was described as a necessary evil that no one likes but as a cost mitigation protection policy for CCP. You cannot say your platform is removing UVT, that's just asinine, dishonest, or ignorant. However the communication channels between DUST mercs and EVE pilots are being nurtured and promoted by people who actually are good community organizers and representatives.
You have responded, but far from satisfied. And you are just getting worse as you platform expands haphazardly absorbing good ideas and bad ideas, all uncredited and without working with their chief proponents on why the proposed changes are necessary and the potential pitfalls of implementation. Worse, you don't even seem to be self-aware enough to realize this is what you are doing, nor who those key community leaders are.
DUST badly needs proponents. You are not suited for a CSM seat, so find another way if you truly are after game success, not merely personal glory. |
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Posted - 2013.02.18 03:59:00 -
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Breaking news:
This just in. PR of Southern Legions had this to say:
Beld Errmon wrote:
Personally I don't want jackel to win a seat on the CSM
Fight the good fight Jackal. This reporter supports you and hopes your efforts today pave a path for future candidates. Even if your own corp doesn't.
You'll be DUST514's George Washington. |
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SoTa PoP wrote:Breaking news: This just in. PR of Southern Legions had this to say: Beld Errmon wrote:
Personally I don't want jackel to win a seat on the CSM
Fight the good fight Jackal. This reporter supports you and hopes your efforts today pave a path for future candidates. Even if your own corp doesn't. You'll be DUST514's George Washington.
This just in. Sota PoP has the credibility of Fox news right down to the part about being a homophobic racist who defends likeminded individuals under the guise of free speech, for the full quote:
Beld Errmon wrote: Personally I don't want jackel to win a seat on the CSM, its less time he can devote to running the corporation.
Or you can read more here https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=59219
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Posted - 2013.02.18 04:19:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Breaking news: This just in. PR of Southern Legions had this to say: Beld Errmon wrote:
Personally I don't want jackel to win a seat on the CSM
Fight the good fight Jackal. This reporter supports you and hopes your efforts today pave a path for future candidates. Even if your own corp doesn't. You'll be DUST514's George Washington. This just in. Sota PoP has the credibility of Fox news right down to the part about being a homophobic racist who defends likeminded individuals under the guise of free speech, for the full quote: Beld Errmon wrote: Personally I don't want jackel to win a seat on the CSM, its less time he can devote to running the corporation. Or you can read more here https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=59219
What was it you were saying earlier? Don't say things you don't mean? :)
You made a statement that says you don't want Jackal as CSM - don't back out now that I put it out there. 
Poor Jackal - not even defended by his corp :( If you read through Beld's link you'll see me complimenting Jackal where Beld offered nothing in his defense.  |
Beld Errmon
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lol I don't need to defend what I've said sota, I wish jackal all the best in his campaign for the CSM and if he did manage to win a seat I'd be sad because it would mean his incredible work ethic and dedication to dust and eve would be diluted and the corp I am apart would be deprived of his full attention. |
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Posted - 2013.02.18 04:36:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:lol I don't need to defend what I've said sota, I wish jackal all the best in his campaign for the CSM and if he did manage to win a seat I'd be sad because it would mean his incredible work ethic and dedication to dust and eve would be diluted and the corp I am apart would be deprived of his full attention.
Good statement! Now please explain to everyone why you don't want Dust514 to have such a hard working individual helping make this game better for everyone.
maybe I came at this in the wrong direction. It's not that Jackals corp doesn't support him - they don't support DUST514.
Any comments, Beld? |
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