I like your platform but I can also say I've nothing to base my judgement around (seeing as I honestly don't care about eve politics) But at the same time I'm interested in faction warfare. But in the same way that Faction warfare is completely and utterly broken because of the Gallente minmatar destroying everything, and caldari Ammar getting craped on.

But in other news, fighting on stations would be a pretty cool attack/defense game play. security drone's, automatic turrets, that random civilian getting in your way.

Basically what i'm trying to get at is that if you want to have deeper eve/dust relation's you're probably going to want to make faction warfare more appealing and less of a one sided beating.

You might want to explain WTH CSM is in the OP.

You handled the heat well that was thrown at you eve-side. Definitely interested to see someone who is both in eve and dust that can guide CCP toward the correct direction of implimentation.

Its going to happen no matter what, thats what some eve folk dont seem to realize, they practically wish this game to fail but resources have already been committed to such an extent that resources WILL be spent on the game, now its about how they do it. They need a dust representative who is also a eve representative, hope they are not too blind to realize this.

And this is the core of your issue, really. I've said this before, and I'll say it again here. Your enthusiasm is nothing short of fantastic, and your persistence is fully admirable. That being said, this is the wrong time for Dust 514, the wrong place in the CSM, and the wrong way by not talking to community members on a more personal level of doing what you're trying to do.

You have the backing of none of the major organized entities in Dust 514 right now for this CSM position, and in no small part because you just haven't talked to any of them. The first place you've put your thoughts or ambitions to the CSM is right here, on the forums. If you had talked to anyone in the organized part of the community, they would have told you what so many others have expressed. Your potential demographic in seeking a CSM8 position on a platform centralized on Dust 514 is small. It contains:

(1) Primarily Dust players who have recently taken Eve subscriptions

(2) Eve players who are more concerned about Dust 514 than they are about Eve



These categories are small in and of themselves; if you were somehow able to instantly mobilize everyone in them you MIGHT be able to scrape into a CSM position. The thing is, these are merely demographics where you could potentially find voters. In reality, the second category of players doesn't actually exist, and the first don't know you well. Our best interactions with The Black Jackal, from a community standpoint, have all been here on the forums. That just doesn't cut it.


If you could take this energy that you're devoting to a campaign destined to fail at even getting the required number of forums likes to pass it off to the proper CSM candidacy process and redirect it to lobbying CCP to fix important issues: Grouping, corp voice, presentation of Fac Warfare status, and other things besides...that energy would be well-spent and would make a vastly more positive impact on the Dust community. We need all the help we can get here on the ground floor.

i hope you know what you are geting into, best of luck!

thats why u need 2 seperate CSMs
u cant have 1-2 ppl on the current CSM make ALL the say for the entire DUST community thats ********.

U have to have them seperate to benefit DUST the most and when u have to discuss anything regarding the link between the 2 games that would affect each other u have both sit down and discuss it.

I'm not trying to troll/bash/harass/belitte/insult/etc I am just trying to save you the time and effort. Unless you can rep a specific part of EvE in addition Dust you will have a hard time finding support from either.

As someone who has assembled voting blocks for CSM candidates i can say you have almsot no chance.

I respect how you have put forth a platform and stood up to the challenge. It's honest and genuine.

You're not the same guy going for a physically larger new Eden right?

Yes, it is one universe, but these are two games that need to be able to exist and stand on there own two feet as separate entities while the connection between them grows over time. This will take time and needs to be done with careful but bold steps to ensure that both games benefit from their interaction.

lol ur pretty stubborn tbh
i already said when matters for the EVE//DUST link needs to be discussed CCP should sit down with BOTH CSMs to discuss the matter not leave it up to one or 2 ppl to talk for the ENTIRE community of DUST players

YES we are one universe BUT there are two SEPERATE games why cant u see that there are 2 dev teams working on the 2 games.

Not everything discussed by the CSM is always gonna be about the link. Game balance, expansions etc etc will be discussed so sorry but ur not really posing a strong claim to having one.

Also on top of being stubborn about ppls suggestions u also do not have a strong presence within the community. I honestly never see u posting feedback on topics to better the game for us DUST mercs yet the CSM voting thing comes along and i see this thread on why WE as a community should throw their support behind someone who has done almost nothing really when it comes to providing CCP with feedback and ideas to BETTER the game for the community of DUST mercs.

While having a DUST representative in CSM 8 might be all well and nice, by your replys I think you definately should not be ours.

You, for reasons that suit you, keep insisting on DUST/EVE relation being the question of all questions. You even give us example of how is EVE represented in CSM by sectors like 0.0, WH, FW, etc. and treat DUST as one of these which should then take one or two places on the board, not caring for the fact that DUST, while shares same physical space, has (will have) its own gameplay in those mentioned sectors.

Also your personality is a bit problematic, as here comes notorious question 'Who are you?' Beside nice wishes and common places written in platform I am clueless (and I guess many other) on what and who you stand for. You forget that this game is young and we do not have 10 years old community with all developed social connections to easy track someone even if we never heard about him -- this also means that insisting on voting as a must for first few CPMs is not really necessary -- those who work most with and for community will come up and be part of it (even if it is un/semiofficial, it is good enough to communicate with the Shanghai team.)

CPM after all doesn't have to be simple replica of CSM.

Etc, etc. Lastly, after these three pages I can conclude your lack of 'ears' for the community and I would rather have none than such representative. Otherwise wish you all the best.

I know the Southern Legion. I still do not know the Black Jackal.

One thing that bothers me immensely is a clear platform of personal ideas, not a representative of the community. You want to dabble in supercaps, EVE disenfranchisement, nullsec, highsec, faction warfare and nebulous "more". Your answer for nearly everything is more content when EVE is already littered with content that needs reworked first. More capitals, more ships, more missions, more everything, but no clear description of how A) putting you on the CSM would achieve those goals, and B) how the things you suggest would even improve the game. Some of your suggestions are downright terrible, such as allowing supercapitals to dock just to make them targets for DUST mercs to steal.

You reply to every post in your candidacy threads but otherwise are mute on all public channels. What have you done for the community lately? Which ideas have you supported that were not your own? What content have you already added to DUST given the tools we have now? What do you do in EVE? What do you do in DUST? Where do you get information on parts of the games unfamiliar to you? Who do you want to vote for you? Who would NOT have their needs addressed by voting for you? How would you define success and failure should you receive a CSM seat?

So many unanswered questions. Please at least try to convince me you are taking this seriously.

uhm Two Step said he wasn't running...

Instead of saying you could, why don't you actually take the time to do that. I don't really need a copy paste of ideas that have been popular for years, I'm interested in what you are bringing to the table.

^Is more in tune with dust 514 than jackal is.

CCP has clearly stated already that there will be no Dust CSM anytime soon and that anybody wanting to run for CSM should be doing it for EVE and not dust because the CSM is in place for EVE. Not for dust. It's for EVE! EVE!!!! CCP doesn't want a duster to run for EVE CSM because it defeats the purpose of it.

Dust is still in beta!!!! BETA! Do you know what a beta is?

Wait until the game is release officially, and when/if CCP even decided it needs a Dust CSM! Until then just play the game and give feedback.

DUST players are free to buy EVE subscriptions in preparation for the election if they're so motivated. Frankly it'd be useful to have someone with ties to the DUST community on CSM8. After (if?) you guys see the DUST CSM Minutes you'll appreciate the need for continued and strong guidance from the CSM on the issue.

Don't take that as an endorsement of this dude in particular as I don't know him and the field is still forming, but he seems to have thought things out and presented his approach coherently. If the alternative is more ZionShads, this guy is at least tethered to reality.

So give him a chance and let him run on his merits. If he wants to run a DUST-aimed campaign let him; who's to say it wont work?

I'm not really seeing the point of this conversation. Jackal is going to run for CSM. Dust players have no vote and no voice so it is not going to matter at all if they support him. Dusters with eve accounts will vote for their eve interests. Until CCP enfranchises dust players there is no reason to run for CSM on a dust platform, even if you think it is the first move you have no votes to support you. The unofficial CPM 0 is the only logical step to gaining a player leadership structure.

DUST players are free to buy EVE subscriptions in preparation for the election if they're so motivated. Frankly it'd be useful to have someone with ties to the DUST community on CSM8. After (if?) you guys see the DUST CSM Minutes you'll appreciate the need for continued and strong guidance from the CSM on the issue.

Don't take that as an endorsement of this dude in particular as I don't know him and the field is still forming, but he seems to have thought things out and presented his approach coherently. If the alternative is more ZionShads, this guy is at least tethered to reality.

So give him a chance and let him run on his merits. If he wants to run a DUST-aimed campaign let him; who's to say it wont work?

I don't know how to put it nicely so I am going to say what most of the folks think of you as.

You're an Evetard.

This is not a term of endearment, you are nearly been lumped in the same pile of people from eve that would like to see this game fail.

Also you're more stubborn than a brick, until you learn on how to get hammered you're never going to fit in.

I can have a debate with Noc over AV verses tanks for hours on end and we come off slightly better afterwards. With you there is no going anywhere. If you're that unwilling to listen to anything these dust bunnies have to say then that leads to the next question of why should we listen to what you have to say.

You are not showing any level of humility or respect and by thinking that '0.0 is dust 514's biggest problem' is what is going to make most dust bunnies not like you at all.

Also don't raise your voice, you look like a 5 year old screaming.

I would go for the throat but I am not in the mood today.... its not pretty when I do though, so mere ankle biting is all you're getting today.

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Hans told us a month ago, where you been?

Second the dust bunnies did coin their own evetard term, you should not be using urban dictionary for it but these forums but ours if you're going to be trying to even begin to understand us, evetard.

Also as a person who been watching the CSM for the last 7 sessions, the idea of a platform is a bit silly. Rarely would a CSM runner could ever possibly run with such or even promise such.

Jackal, you probably should've at least made alts to be your yes men and make you look good on these forums.
You're not only a crappy politician, but a half-assed one that

I mean no disrespect to you or any other members of dust running for CSM this early on but you are wasting your time. Until EVE and Dust are fully integrated EVE players will not see any need for a Dust representative.

Why would an EVE player vote for a Dust representative when Dust doesn't effect them?

Anyone from both communities who is serious about being a Dust CSM member will realise this, and are probably waiting for the egomaniacs to burn them selves out before starting any campaign.

I do however think there should be in future seperate CSM for both games but then members from both creating a combined CSM. That way they can help improve both games individualy and as a whole without screwing each others games up.

Define quite a few! 30-40? 100-200? out of thousands of potential votes "quite a few" means nothing and is not going to get any one anywhere.

this thread is fail

FYI Jackal the loyalty points for dust and "army" gear thing/suggestion wasnt urs
each game needs their own because everything the bodies do DOES NOT always have to do with the other game or the link
why is that so hard for u to comprehend

u dont understand how the CSM works then apparently
the majority of the things discussed on the CSM wont be ur little dust eve link
both games will have their own issues that need to be addressed like balance issues, future expansions etc
i listened to ur interview and it did not impress me

the DUST community does not know u as a figure head thats been helping the game grow yet u want to represent us? are u srs?

honestly this is goin no where ur too close minded in ur own personal agenda to see the pts ppl making. Its either ur way or none apparently,
Good luck gettin votes tho i doubt u will ever get on CSM

Wow, if you're buckling under a few individuals, wait until an entire voter block gets onto your rear end.

Why would I want you to represent me? I've enough of the posts to understand what it is you're trying to accomplish, and I have to say that I agree with you. But I don't think you're the right person for the job. When you represent a community, you should respect that community. As a whole, and as the individuals that make it up.

Turning to insults to try and make a point is a very poor leadership quality, and shows a complete lack of respect for those inside the community who have opposing views. Even when they show that disrepect to you, and inult you, sinking to that same level only proves that you are ill equipped to represent us in aprofessional manner.

I agree that we need to have New Eden, as a whole, represented in the CSM, and not have to segregated councils; but I'm concerned that having someone who is quick to be defensive, quick to judge, and easily slips into slinging insults at his detractors, will do more harm than good for this community.

http://crossingzebras.com/CSM8

Is all your intel this copy/paste?

I've done a quick tally of this thread, and I would estimate that 65-70% of the posts are against Dust being represented in the EVE CSM, and agaisnt your representation in particular. Not to mention the secondary thread being created specifying why you shouldn't represent the Dust community. That is an overwhelming number (1171-1261 of the total post made so far).

You say you want to represent us? You have to start by listening to us. The community has spoken, you have have your answer. If you truly wish to do what you claim, then it is time, sir, to ask the Devs to lock this thread. Let the issue subside for now. You have argued/discussed/debated well, but it is time for it to end. You want to represent us, this is the place to start.

It's not separating the community, it's separating the representatives so they can discuss mechanics specific to each game with people who are knowledgeable of said mechanics.

People who are representing EVE's community's interests have no reason to influence DUST mechanics, just like the DUST community's representatives shouldn't be influencing various EVE mechanics. It would be nice for them all to have understanding of both games, but there's nothing stopping there being a separate panel for each and them coming together when interactivity is discussed (which will be in the minority of instances of problems and concerns the games are facing).

Explain why an EVE player who is representing EVE's community's interests should be responsible for discussing dropsuit role balancing, and why a DUST player who is representing DUST's community's interests should be responsible for discussing SOV and Nullsec warfare, and maybe you'll have a leg to stand on.

Ideas are not proof. If anything ideas are only proof that you don't know the game that well.

Overall once again Prove it.

Lets start with a simple one, how many estimated sectors there are in wormhole space

They where originally called sectors because of how far apart and 'unlinked' The original effort to map the entire cluster was mindbogglingly complicated astronomic math models made and excruciating efforts to map out the Anoikis Cluster. Expeditions to sector 30 are still not fully done yet, the advent rising of wormhole dwellers is making expedition efforts much more difficult to find out what exactly happened to tall the Talocan. However whatever wiped out the sleepers wiped out the the nomadic Talocan as well.

Also stop lying and saying think estimate or thought, those numbers are easily found using Google. It would have been believable if you said 2-3k systems and 300 'constellations.'

BTW. I never flown into wormhole space, I got kidnapped once into it (by jovians), just watched the egg heads from the sidelines when people where trying their best to map it out and sharing theories on how to. That was back then when request for rescues from wh space was very common threads of the day and I had little to author as I was neither an astronomer or a mathematician. These days I love how large scale fights happen in wormhole space and how highly highly creative the people are in implementing combat theory where its still mostly untested raw grounds and building ships around those effects.

Now here is a platform I want to pick apart, What dare say advantage does creating delayed local do for 'small alliances'?
Mind you I clocked over 300 hours on gate guard and patrols and had access to about 8 Intel nets. I would like to see how your 'preconception' of delayed local is going to give you an advantage against ability to hear a gate activate and see what pops though.

Have you ever gone into the intel net side of New Eden? Ever wondered how befittingly complicated some of the more advanced alliances are and how unfair of a disadvantage of everyone else who doesn't have such nets are?

I have never held sov and even I can tell your ideas are terrible for null. Drop that portion of your platform or continue to be embarrassed. (I have lived and fought in null, just a fan of small operations). You don't even understand how to defend the one good idea you jimmied into your announcement, which is delayed local.

Your good ideas for faction warfare are all cribbed apologetically and, more insultingly, without credit to their proponents. Loyalty points in DUST? I'm sorry but you're months too late to pretend that is something YOU would represent adding to the game.

Most damning of course is your answer to every issue is add more content. Something you as a CSM have no power to promise. New content in a game as richly developed as EVE, should not be a priority. Repairing all the content that was introduced but never polished should be.

You have to understand something important about my role in this thread. I don't have any problem with you personally. I am just challenging you because I have high expectations of a CSM.

Ultimately, you do not have the right skillset to be CSM material. I understand the desire, I too would love to have a seat of such privilege because I believe I could do good for the community. But ultimately, I must be honest with myself and admit I don't have the right level of experience and clout to run. You can not bully ahead your way into receiving votes.

I don't even know what your new role system point is, but modular POS and tiericide are decidedly iterations on existing content instead of "new, more shiney". I would love to have a DUST CSM, but it would have to be one that respects the community and contributes to all of it, not collects ideas without credit and shows no level of humility.

Whelp we do need a CSM, one that would benefit us all. We need ot have a voice spoken for the mercs. Obviously not everyone is going to be able to agree on one person, however we do need one. I think it should be put to a poular vote.

The fact that you have stopped by and talked to the CPM volunteers is greatly appreciated. I know that you and I disagree in some very key areas, but anyone who is willing to set disagreements and in-game politics aside and discuss things for the betterment of the community will always be welcomed. I still think it's too early for a CSM with their main platform being Dust.

I still really don't like some of your ideas like the safe dock for super-capitals and your ideas of redistributing and homogenizing Null-sec resources "to make things more fluid". Have you discussed any of these ideas with leaders in the Null Sec community?

What specifically would you do for low sec?

What are your opinions on the recent development and statements by CCP regarding the economics and mechanics of future Dust SOV/Faction Warfare?

Do you still feel that Dust should not have it's own localized representation and do you still feel Dusters should vote directly for the CSM?

Let's say you don't get elected to CSM8; are you planning on working for a Dust514 MCC (Merc Command Council) or planetary Council, to develop a voice to game feature development independent of the CSM system and it's original purpose? Which is to provide Eve Online game development feedback for CCP.

well if jackal loses the election and unloads the platforms a bit I can see jackal being a more useful ambassador between the two groups.

This whole things stupid on such a huge scale and people are way too egotistical to see it. I'm a big EVE player, i'm involved in politics more now than i've ever been but now is not the time for a Dust rep on the CSM nor do we need our own god damn council.

It's such a stupid and egotistical thing right now, the Dust community does not need multiple people on some CPM to represent it. Dust does not have the depth of EVE right now where it needs multiple people on multiple platforms to make sure that each individual aspect gets dealt with correctly for god sake.

EVE and Dust do not need some idiot representing both games either who thinks that walking in stations needs to be a priority for CCP or that destructible stations will fix nullsec for small corps, your crossing Zebras interview was pretty damn shocking and you're not going to get much support from the EVE based community, i'm surprised you didn't get laughed out of the CZ Podcast to be quite frank. There's not even any Dust based election process or support right now either so you're not going to get any votes from there.

Do you really, honestly, deep down think that you stand ANY chance at all of getting on the CSM this year?

So your reply is simply "yes"?

There's no further explanation as to why you think now is the right time or why you think you stand a chance?

I've been heavily involved with all the podcasts and CSM stuff over the last month or so and to be quite frank, i think you're the weakest candidate right now. Even below Darius III.

No i've not read the whole thread nor do i intend to, if you can't answer my questions directly what does that say of your commitment to the community?

If by some miracle you got elected and had to be the peoples voice you'll have to communicate with people on a one on one basis on a very regular occurrence. Hans has been amazing as has Two-Step and Trebor in answering and an all questions i've ever put to them, as has Mynnna who will be the chair of CSM8 and i speak with Mynnna on a very regular basis, Mynnna has always made the attempt to answer my Dust questions and he has never even played the damn game but at least he has a good idea of what the community wants.

Are you saying that every time someone messages you on skype or in game you're reply is going to be "I've already answered this question in this forum thread, or on this podcast so you need to go there and read it?..

Come on, get your **** together and convince me.

First of all, if you got elected you'd have to deal with a lot of people who don't give a **** about you being disinclined to answer anything for what ever reason but would still be expecting a reply so you need to learn to deal with it and your initial reaction says to me that you're just not ready to be dealing with the community. Hunter Blake as an EVE pod pilot should know this was going to come and should have prepared himself to deal with correctly when the time comes rather than attempting to belittle someone for wanting answers and not being interested enough to read your entire thread.

You should be trying to convince me to give you a vote rather than playing forum warrior right now because it's not just me you're talking to right now, every single member of the community can read your replys and will judge you based on what you put in that reply.

Why do you think now is the right time for CSM representation? There's simply not enough content in the game to warrant a seat on the CSM and yes i think that we'll see release during CSM8's tenure, i also believe that there's nothing at all someone on the CSM can do right now. CCP have their own roadmap right now, they have core gameplay mechanics to pin down and finalise in addition to getting the content that they need into the game, what can you possibly do to make that better that CCP can't do by coming to the forums and posting a thread for input themselves? This community is not big enough or diverse enough right now for that.

Not only that but in your above post you say that Dust needs representation upon release, not years down the line. What's stopping CCP from giving us a voice upon release rather than years down the line? You have to concede that you're thinking long term here which i appreciate and agree with but right now there's very little you can do Dust side, correct?..

Part of what you're saying i agree with, the CPM is a stupid idea run by a bunch of people with Ego's too buy to be actually interested in what the community needs but i have severe concerns about your ability to represent the community too, some of your ideas are shockingly bad, you say you've spoken to several high level nullsec entitys about the ideas you've had EVE side such as redistribution of minerals and destructible stations, who are they and what specifically did they say so that i can confirm you have actually spoken to people and they have agreed with some of your stuff because it's important that you're telling the truth and not simply making **** up to attempt to get more votes.

You don't need to bea CSM rep to help guide the community and volunteers, you don't need to be on the CSM to help the CPM, you're probably better off keeping your distance from them personally. You don't need to be on the CSM to help integration with major EVE Elements, the major EVE community elements you're talking about are all here already and doing their own thing and don't need your help so what else can you offer?

I, too, completely make up numbers on the fly to support a bad argument.

The only purpose a DUST rep would have on the CSM is to develop the EVE-Dust link on the EVE side. Your interaction with CCP on Dust development would be extremely minimal, and your voice on EVE issues (which would be the overwhelming majority of time spent) would be better utilized by subject experts who do a specific thing.

You do have a voice on the EVE Universe, it's called the forums. The nature of the CSM and what they deal with are exclusive from DUST. If CCP wants to form an advisory board for us, that's an entirely different issue.

Why does the community need someone to sit on the CSM and tell CCP how the put in the things they are already planning to put into the game?


In fact, why don't you tell me exactly how you'd like to see them put into the game so we as a community can discuss and see if we think you deserve the job and are putting the interests of the community before your own?...

How should Dust impact Nullsec and why?...

How should the market be put in to interact with both games?...

What should the tax rates be on isk transfers between each game and why?

How should Dust side Lowsec work?

How will Concord interact with Dust?

How should OB's work in Lowsec and in Nullsec in comparison to Hisec and FW space?

I cant be bothered to go into detail after fighting with CCP for not having an inverted mouse option... so for now i'd still like to know who you;ve spoken to about resources and and i'd like some real replys with details not generalisations.

Ask Kain, Jenza and Sha Kharn Clone how much effort we all put into making sure Shad wasn't elected. And thats not everyone involved.

I'm just going to clarify that in no way does Kain endorse your candidacy. You being the only candidate with a DUST focus yet so out of touch with the needs of the community is why he almost ran. Personally I wish he would reconsider, but he is adamant that the time is too soon and he doesn't want distractions from his ability to organize community events.

At best, he told you that he supports any effort to improve CCP/DUST Community relations. How much of your other cited support is half-truths?