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Beld Errmon Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 479	Posted - 2013.02.17 09:55:00 - [1] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Now here is a platform I want to pick apart, What dare say advantage does creating delayed local do for 'small alliances'? Mind you I clocked over 300 hours on gate guard and patrols and had access to about 8 Intel nets. I would like to see how your 'preconception' of delayed local is going to give you an advantage against ability to hear a gate activate and see what pops though. Have you ever gone into the intel net side of New Eden? Ever wondered how befittingly complicated some of the more advanced alliances are and how unfair of a disadvantage of everyone else who doesn't have such nets are? oh man wow you've gate camped and been given access to the 8 intel channels of some large sov holding alliance/coalition? Your experience in eve is amazing you are in like the exclusive club of... well everyone who has ever played the game and stepped out of empire.
Beld Errmon Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 479	Posted - 2013.02.17 14:42:00 - [2] - Quote You are implying that your experience makes your opinion more valid than his, I am simply pointing out that your experience is common and although sure to impress non eve players, its mundane and doesn't allow you to completely dismiss the idea, I know quite a few small alliances that would be absolutely over the moon at the prospect of delayed local.
Beld Errmon Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 479	Posted - 2013.02.18 04:17:00 - [3] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: Breaking news: This just in. PR of Southern Legions had this to say: Beld Errmon wrote: Personally I don't want jackel to win a seat on the CSM Fight the good fight Jackal. This reporter supports you and hopes your efforts today pave a path for future candidates. Even if your own corp doesn't. You'll be DUST514's George Washington. This just in. Sota PoP has the credibility of Fox news right down to the part about being a homophobic racist who defends likeminded individuals under the guise of free speech, for the full quote: Beld Errmon wrote: Personally I don't want jackel to win a seat on the CSM, its less time he can devote to running the corporation. Or you can read more here https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=59219
Beld Errmon Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 479	Posted - 2013.02.18 04:32:00 - [4] - Quote lol I don't need to defend what I've said sota, I wish jackal all the best in his campaign for the CSM and if he did manage to win a seat I'd be sad because it would mean his incredible work ethic and dedication to dust and eve would be diluted and the corp I am apart would be deprived of his full attention.
Beld Errmon Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 479	Posted - 2013.02.18 04:54:00 - [5] - Quote I would comment but this line of questioning only serves to distract from a far more important issue why do you mr sota and the wider alliance of the imperfects actively defend people who express disgusting racist and homophobic views on the dust514 forums? And isn't it true your sudden interest in harming jackals campaign is related to threats made in a thread where you have tried to claim victim status after the community took offense to your actions in defense of a racist? SoTa PoP wrote: You should stop before your actions start hurting Jackal's chances at CSM. I've already quoted you and posted on his thread that you don't want him as CSM. Isn't it also true that until you needed a scape goat to divert attention from you and your alliance and that you supported Jackals campaign? edit yes you did say that already
Beld Errmon Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 479	Posted - 2013.02.18 05:07:00 - [6] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: I would comment but this line of questioning only serves to distract from a far more important issue why do you mr sota and the wider alliance of the imperfects actively defend people who express disgusting racist and homophobic views on the dust514 forums? And isn't it true your sudden interest in harming jackals campaign is related to threats made in a thread where you have tried to claim victim status after the community took offense to your actions in defense of a racist? SoTa PoP wrote: You should stop before your actions start hurting Jackal's chances at CSM. I've already quoted you and posted on his thread that you don't want him as CSM. Isn't it also true that until you needed a scape goat to divert attention from you and your alliance you supported Jackals campaign? You're off topic questioning me or the imperfects. Let's get back on topic. Jackal's corp has no interest in helping DUST514 and offers no defense when persecuted. This effects his candidacy. Do you not agree? Even the scum known as the Imps defend there own when they feel it is right. Why the side steps in Jackal's defense? And for the record - I support him for CSM. I'm all for ANY representation at this point - ignorant as I am of the EvE side. Today I am not here to defend Jackals campaign for CSM, simply here to respond to being taken out of context by someone with an agenda, who only questions jackals campaign after trying to silence people who take issue with racism and homophobia with threats.
Beld Errmon Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 479	Posted - 2013.02.18 05:12:00 - [7] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Congratulations, you're no longer being taken seriously with that statement. Forgive me if I do not care that the self appointed leader of the dust community doesn't take me seriously.
Beld Errmon Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 479	Posted - 2013.02.18 05:23:00 - [8] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: Motive or not you gave me reason to come in here and question Jackals. Are you not of his corp? Do your opinions not represent your whole corp like everyone tells me mine does with Imps? Double Standards, much? I guess I've made my point here. Wish you the best of luck Jackal's. Sorry I had to bring this in here to prove a point. You have my vote which doesn't count without an EvE account lol The only point you have proven is that you'd rather use coercion and attack a third party than apologize for defending the indefensible.
Beld Errmon Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 479	Posted - 2013.02.18 05:27:00 - [9] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Either way further proof Jackal has no idea what this community is. Its good to see just how much proof you need to make statements like that, absolutely none, Jackal and I disagree on a lot of things, perhaps he sees you as a community leader, personally I just think you have an inflated ego because know how to log into an IRC channel.
Beld Errmon Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 479	Posted - 2013.02.18 05:43:00 - [10] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: I'm sorry - why do you keep bringing up subjects unrelated to this matter? Our personal qualms have nothing to do with your statements that give bad light to Black Jackal's candidacy. And I have to ask now - is it a policy of Southern Legion to force people to apologize for believing in things that the rest of your corp doesn't believe in? You brought it here after using it as a threat in an attempt to silence people that have a problem with racism and homophobia. I don't speak for southern legion but I am fairly sure that we would not tolerate members making racist/homophobic statements, I for one would be at the forefront of apologizing for their actions and first inline asking for their immediate dismissal. I am more than happy to keep this discussion in the place where it started.

Beld Errmon Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 479	Posted - 2013.02.18 05:58:00 - [11] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: I'm sorry - why do you keep bringing up subjects unrelated to this matter? Our personal qualms have nothing to do with your statements that give bad light to Black Jackal's candidacy. And I have to ask now - is it a policy of Southern Legion to force people to apologize for believing in things that the rest of your corp doesn't believe in? You brought it here after using it as a threat in an attempt to silence people that have a problem with racism and homophobia. I don't speak for southern legion but I am fairly sure that we would not tolerate members making racist/homophobic statements, I for one would be at the forefront of apologizing for their actions and first inline asking for their immediate dismissal. I am more than happy to keep this discussion in the place where it started. So... you're calling Black Jackal a Homosexual? ... I'm confused. I thought I was supposed to be calling him that yet so far I haven't nor as anyone else for that matter other than you. Not sure who is having delusions here. I mean if he's gay, fine by me as long as he respects my right to remain straight, comes with the territory of being a fur ball after all. Yeah if anyone is having a delusion here that would be you, no one has said that here or anywhere.
Beld Errmon Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 479	Posted - 2013.02.18 06:00:00 - [12] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: Let me clear this miss-understanding for you since you won't let it go. You told me in another thread that for defending someones right to speech I was basically undeserving of your respect. You then continued in a different thread to say that regardless of intent of peoples words - they shouldn't be said and are taken for face value. So I took your logic and applied it here and you call it an attack on Black Jackals. Which - it is. No doubt. But it is possible thanks to your help and logic. Any comments? You really shouldn't be saying things and expecting a double standard for yourself. There is no double standard here, only a desperate attempt to avoid the real issue in the other thread.
Beld Errmon Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 479	Posted - 2013.02.18 06:09:00 - [13] - Quote There is only one person trying to derail this topic and that's you, it started with you and i'll let you have the last word so it can end with you, you've issued an apology as terrible as it is, its about the best I expect from you so i'm going to take it and move on.
Beld Errmon Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 479	Posted - 2013.02.18 06:27:00 - [14] - Quote You are pathetic and anyone that reads from where this started will see through your attempts at misleading them.
Beld Errmon Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 479	Posted - 2013.02.18 06:43:00 - [15] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: You are pathetic and anyone that reads from where this started will see through your attempts at misleading them. So explain the logic in calling us all homophobics and/or racists? Last time I checked that required the subject of discrimination be a homosexual or of a race other than their own, to which in this thread the only person that would apply to is Black Jackal. Either way if I was Black Jackal I would have you fired immediately for throwing out the PR card and then making the entire alliance look like something people despise stepping on because of the odor it emits. As a PR guy you're not supposed to stoop to a low level of forum trollery. Great way to bridge communities there Black Jackal, is this all your subordinates act? Bunch of divider behavior right here, how are you going to answer bringing dust 514 and eve online communities together when your own group of people can't even get along with its neighbors? Yeah I'm not a PR guy, nor have I said anywhere in this thread that you are homophobic or racist, you seem to be pretty good at pretending that you've seen or heard something that has never been said. If you go back to where Sota and I started trading words on this thread you'll see a link that points to where our discussion started and why racism and homophobia are apart of that discussion.
Beld Errmon Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 479	Posted - 2013.02.18 06:57:00 - [16] - Quote Amazing, the people posting racist and homophobic crap on the forum or defending it manage to turn this around and make me out to be the bad guy, well played scum, well played.
Beld Errmon Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 497	Posted - 2013.03.05 10:47:00 - [17] - Quote Cerebral doesn't want you on the CSM, I think your polling just went up, his endorsement would be the touch of death.