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Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2013.03.03 14:13:00 - [1] - Quote This whole things stupid on such a huge scale and people are way too egotistical to see it. I'm a big EVE player, i'm involved in politics more now than i've ever been but now is not the time for a Dust rep on the CSM nor do we need our own god damn council. It's such a stupid and egotistical thing right now, the Dust community does not need multiple people on some CPM to represent it. Dust does not have the depth of EVE right now where it needs multiple people on multiple platforms to make sure that each individual aspect gets dealt with correctly for god sake. EVE and Dust do not need some idiot representing both games either who thinks that walking in stations needs to be a priority for CCP or that destructible stations will fix nullsec for small corps, your crossing Zebras interview was pretty damn shocking and you're not going to get much support from the EVE based community, i'm surprised you didn't get laughed out of the CZ Podcast to be quite frank. There's not even any Dust based election process or support right now either so you're not going to get any votes from there. Do you really, honestly, deep down think that you stand ANY chance at all of getting on the CSM this year?
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2013.03.03 14:22:00 - [2] - Quote So your reply is simply "yes"? There's no further explanation as to why you think now is the right time or why you think you stand a chance? I've been heavily involved with all the podcasts and CSM stuff over the last month or so and to be quite frank, i think you're the weakest candidate right now. Even below Darius III.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 761	Posted - 2013.03.03 14:38:00 - [3] - Quote No i've not read the whole thread nor do i intend to, if you can't answer my questions directly what does that say of your commitment to the community? If by some miracle you got elected and had to be the peoples voice you'll have to communicate with people on a one on one basis on a very regular occurrence. Hans has been amazing as has Two-Step and Trebor in answering and an all questions i've ever put to them, as has Mynnna who will be the chair of CSM8 and i speak with Mynnna on a very regular basis, Mynnna has always made the attempt to answer my Dust questions and he has never even played the damn game but at least he has a good idea of what the community wants. Are you saying that every time someone messages you on skype or in game you're reply is going to be "I've already answered this question in this forum thread, or on this podcast so you need to go there and read it?.. Come on, get your **** together and convince me.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 763	Posted - 2013.03.03 15:08:00 - [4] - Quote First of all, if you got elected you'd have to deal with a lot of people who don't give a ** about you being disinclined to answer anything for what ever reason but would still be expecting a reply so you need to learn to deal with it and your initial reaction says to me that you're just not ready to be dealing with the community. Hunter Blake as an EVE pod pilot should know this was going to come and should have prepared himself to deal with correctly when the time comes rather than attempting to belittle someone for wanting answers and not being interested enough to read your entire thread. You should be trying to convince me to give you a vote rather than playing forum warrior right now because it's not just me you're talking to right now, every single member of the community can read your replys and will judge you based on what you put in that reply. Why do you think now is the right time for CSM representation? There's simply not enough content in the game to warrant a seat on the CSM and yes i think that we'll see release during CSM8's tenure, i also believe that there's nothing at all someone on the CSM can do right now. CCP have their own roadmap right now, they have core gameplay mechanics to pin down and finalise in addition to getting the content that they need into the game, what can you possibly do to make that better that CCP can't do by coming to the forums and posting a thread for input themselves? This community is not big enough or diverse enough right now for that. Not only that but in your above post you say that Dust needs representation upon release, not years down the line. What's stopping CCP from giving us a voice upon release rather than years down the line? You have to concede that you're thinking long term here which i appreciate and agree with but right now there's very little you can do Dust side, correct?.. Part of what you're saying i agree with, the CPM is a stupid idea run by a bunch of people with Ego's too buy to be actually interested in what the community needs but i have severe concerns about your ability to represent the community too, some of your ideas are shockingly bad, you say you've spoken to several high level nullsec entitys about the ideas you've had EVE side such as redistribution of minerals and destructible stations, who are they and what specifically did they say so that i can confirm you have actually spoken to people and they have agreed with some of your stuff because it's important that you're telling the truth and not simply making ** up to attempt to get more votes. You don't need to bea CSM rep to help guide the community and volunteers, you don't need to be on the CSM to help the CPM, you're probably better off keeping your distance from them personally. You don't need to be on the CSM to help integration with major EVE Elements, the major EVE community elements you're talking about are all here already and doing their own thing and don't need your help so what else can you offer?
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 763	Posted - 2013.03.03 16:00:00 - [5] - Quote My opening statement wasn't abusive at all, just a simple, personal opinion. People on this forum, yourself included no doubt have seen me being abusive before that was certainly not it. Yes, i'm aware of the motto and CCP wanting New Eden to be able to be viewed between two lenses, i get that and i think it's a great idea. Having said that i simply don't see Dust having enough content right now for someone to represent us. I agree that next year we WILL need someone on the CSM, the same as Wormholes and FW have because we'll be rolling at full steam by that point all being well but right now i can't see anyone running for CSM on a Dust platform for any other reason than their own ego or the fact that this will be one of the easiest CSM's to get a seat on and they just want to see if they can do it. Prior to this thread, many people had no idea who the hell you was in either Dust or EVE and you should be politically active and promoting the community BEFORE you run for CSM not when you decide its what you want to do. You should have been getting people on your side and to trust you and vote for you 6 months ago not right now. I see where you're coming from with your talk about the roadmap etc but i really do not see the point this early in the game. 12 months is not a long time to wait before we put someone up for the CSM next year, some of us have already been here over 12 months now and we've not needed anyone on the CSM to voice our issues to CCP so far so why should that change any time in the next 2-3 months?... Next year when we're in release, when we have more interaction between the games and more content and a much larger player base? YES! We'll need someone but not right now, you've been tore to pieces in pretty much every single place you've attempted to voice this, on podcasts, on either forum in your threads etc... That is the voice of the community telling you that we don't think the time is right for this. You're all ready showing the community that you don't listen or represent us because we've said time and time again that we don't want representation right now. I'm all for some of the stuff that's been done by this "CPM", Kain Spero's done an amazing job with all the work he's put in and i can't praise the guy enough but he's the other end of the spectrum to you, what have you done other than attempt to run for CSM? Nothing to what i can see. E-Sports in Dust is something i fully support, i think it's a great idea for certain parts of the community and thats what they are here for in the first place, ZionShad's done a great job with trying to get E-Sports into Dust but that don't mean we need a CPM or a CSM to get it done. Dust does not have over one million ACTIVE MEMBERS, it has 1.5 million characters in game and considering we get 3 characters per account and most people will have 3 characters ready on their accounts at any time that's 500k but we'll be generous and say 750k at most, even then how many of them have just signed up for simple quick games ala COD and Battlefield players?... How many of them have zero interation with the greater community or even know we're here? I'd say maybe 100k people at the very most. That's not a large community at all. As much as i've ragged on MAG players in the past, the ones that are here and making the effort are the type of people we want more of and who have gained my respect in the last 6 months, not the COD/BF3 console kids who log in for a few quick games, don't give a ** about the over all direction of the community or even have any clue what the CSM or CPM are so don't spout numbers at me as if i'm suddenly going to roll over and admit that 1.5m characters in Dust is a reason to back down and change my opinions because that's not going to happen at all. Hardly any of those numbers give a ** about what you're trying to achieve, so i stand by my comment
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 770	Posted - 2013.03.04 12:57:00 - [6] - Quote You're still wrong and I will educate you on why when I get home from work.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 773	Posted - 2013.03.04 21:00:00 - [7] - Quote The Black Jackal wrote: What about shared market? Planetary Control? Faction Warfare influence? These are all integration elements. It's not just a matter of 'blasting' people from space. And it wont be. The link is key to more features in this game that raise it above and beyond the scope of CoD, Battlefield, and even MAG. That's what we need represented. Gameplay issues will never be satisfied. This is evidenced even by the EVE FOrums. The bugs, the patches, the fixes. But the core of the game needs to take priority at some stage, and we need to be there, represented, when it does. And it will happen prior to release, and DUST is closer to release this CSM term than before. Why does the community need someone to sit on the CSM and tell CCP how the put in the things they are already planning to put into the game? In fact, why don't you tell me exactly how you'd like to see them put into the game so we as a community can discuss and see if we think you deserve the job and are putting the interests of the community before your own?... How should Dust impact Nullsec and why?... How should the market be put in to interact with both games?... What should the tax rates be on isk transfers between each game and why? How should Dust side Lowsec work? How will Concord interact with Dust? How should OB's work in Lowsec and in Nullsec in comparison to Hisec and FW space?
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 773	Posted - 2013.03.05 10:18:00 - [8] - Quote Not answered my question about who you've spoken to about nullsec resources either which makes me think you've spoken to nobody
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 773	Posted - 2013.03.05 12:54:00 - [9] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Cerebral doesn't want you on the CSM, I think your polling just went up, his endorsement would be the touch of death. I didn't want zionshad on it either and look where he is now. He gave up and hardly even posts on the forums or on TheMittani.com you've still ignored my question about who in nullsec you've spoken to about resource homogenization, who have you spoke to? Worried im gonna check up? ... Because you should be. Im going to go through your above post after work as its too much to reply to on my phone.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 773	Posted - 2013.03.05 13:00:00 - [10] - Quote Also you've not answered some of questions, just given your opinion. I want to know, with unlimited resourses and the ability to do anything you wanted how would you have them implemented. If tax is not the best thing in your opinion what is? dont tell me just your opinion without a proposed fix to it either, its just lazy and shows you've no clue.

Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 773	Posted - 2013.03.05 21:54:00 - [11] - Quote I cant be bothered to go into detail after fighting with CCP for not having an inverted mouse option... so for now i'd still like to know who you;ve spoken to about resources and and i'd like some real replys with details not generalisations.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 774	Posted - 2013.03.06 07:05:00 - [12] - Quote I dont recall saying I was the only reason shad stopped, but I had a bigger hand in that you think ask Shad. you can stop trying to deflect. This is a thread about you and its safe to say you've not spoken to any major nullsec players about this because I've not spoke to many thats spoken to you at all, let and non have spoken to you about supporting any part of your platform. Most of them think you're a joke based on your original platform. Time to put up or shut up Blake. You can't win the support of this community without giving us facts and you need this community behind you right now. We want chat logs and proof you have backing because right now it seems you're fumbling in the dirt trying to find something to grab on to. You've still not given me specifics on how you think any of the above issues should be handeled. If tax is not what you want, what is your solution?..
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 774	Posted - 2013.03.06 07:07:00 - [13] - Quote Ask Kain, Jenza and Sha Kharn Clone how much effort we all put into making sure Shad wasn't elected. And thats not everyone involved.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 774	Posted - 2013.03.06 12:59:00 - [14] - Quote I've woke up with a stinking cold today so its unlikley I will reply in detail tonight but I want to make it clear I dont want you to quit, thats not my goal at all. I think what your doing is needed and I fully support the CSM idea over CPM. Im simply playing devils advocate and voicing my own opinion that I dont think the timing is right. If you fail your failure looks bad on the whole community. Not just yourself and we are already having a hard time gaining respect with eve players as it is. I want the community as a whole to do well and im concerned that you will set back the whole community if you do a bad job. Os it so wrong that im grilling you because I want to test your answers before they are put to the community as a whole. If you represent us at the end of the election I want to make damn sure you are ready for it is that wrong that I want to make sure the person talking with my voice has earnt that right? ZionShad didn't earn that respect and made a huge ass of himself. I respect the guys commitment and the work he did but he just wasn't the right guy for the job.

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