I disagrre wholeheartedly that DUST needs it's own CSM... We need to be represented as a single Universe.

One War / One Universe.

CCP goals, full steam ahead. We may be separate games, but it's not the GAME itself that the CSM represents. It's the universe, and we co-exist with the Capsuleers in New Eden.

thats why u need 2 seperate CSMs
u cant have 1-2 ppl on the current CSM make ALL the say for the entire DUST community thats ********.

U have to have them seperate to benefit DUST the most and when u have to discuss anything regarding the link between the 2 games that would affect each other u have both sit down and discuss it.

I'm not trying to troll/bash/harass/belitte/insult/etc I am just trying to save you the time and effort. Unless you can rep a specific part of EvE in addition Dust you will have a hard time finding support from either.

As someone who has assembled voting blocks for CSM candidates i can say you have almsot no chance.

I respect how you have put forth a platform and stood up to the challenge. It's honest and genuine.

You're not the same guy going for a physically larger new Eden right?

No, I'm not going for a physically larger New Eden. I'm talking 'A Larger Universe' by integration and building within what CCP has already created. (Though 'larger physically' could be an interesting future expansion.)

I'm talking planets, moons, developing interactions, integrating the DUST community INTO the New Eden world in a way that allows us, as DUST mercs, to be a weapon for EVE Pilots, and vice versa if you chose, but both games can exist independantly of each other as well.

I disagrre wholeheartedly that DUST needs it's own CSM... We need to be represented as a single Universe.

One War / One Universe.

CCP goals, full steam ahead. We may be separate games, but it's not the GAME itself that the CSM represents. It's the universe, and we co-exist with the Capsuleers in New Eden.

I disagree completely. Moving forward Dust will need its own CSM or Council of Planetary Management if you will.

Yes, it is one universe, but these are two games that need to be able to exist and stand on there own two feet as separate entities while the connection between them grows over time. This will take time and needs to be done with careful but bold steps to ensure that both games benefit from their interaction.

There needs to be an Eve CSM and a DUST CPM.

The CSM is a stakeholder and a key part in the development process and there are unique development teams for each game. I don't think anyone wants a bunch of Eve voters able to push their own agenda on to Dust just as I sure as hell wouldn't want a flood of Dust voters who will likely outnumber EVERY Eve pilot picking all of the CSM positions. That is a recipe for disaster. One of the CSM's main goals is to ensure that developer resources are being put to what the Eve community wants because through their subscriptions they have invested and become partners in Eve's future.

The CSM is the guardian of serious internet spaceship business and there needs to be a Dust equivalent that doesn't have it's community voice watered down by votes from Eve.

Yes, it is one universe, but these are two games that need to be able to exist and stand on there own two feet as separate entities while the connection between them grows over time. This will take time and needs to be done with careful but bold steps to ensure that both games benefit from their interaction.

The CSM represents the playerbase of New Eden. Not the singular EVE-side. The only reason it is viewed as such, is that EVE players have been (up until now) the SOLE inhabitants of New Eden.

The Integration, as stated in my platform, is a process that requires a SINGLE voice. A unified Council. The CSM is already established, and already has direct contcat with CCP, and the integration of DUST was discussed at the summit meetings, and over Skype in great debates. With no DUST representatives taking part.

The reason this game IS so unique is that it interacts directly with the established world of EVE Online and New Eden. If you 'limit' that interaction by creating a separate council that ONLY interacts with the EVE CSM on integration, you'll have 3 series of debates that will not align. A SINGLE vision is the way of the future., Bringing the games closer together will ensure that DUST gets the attention it Deserves, the impact on New Eden it Deserves, as well as EVE having those same impacts on DUST. Yet having these impacts as 'optional' for the majority of the playerbase so as not to make each dependant on the other. but rather an additional asset to be used.

Forming our own council seems like a great idea, and IF it were able to gain us equality to the EVE CSM, I would be all for it. But if the CSM is left to represent New Eden's 'paying' customers... they will win in the EVE Vs. DUST debates.

Having a Representative on the CSM will ensure that Interaction is tempered, and comprimised with EVE players on their levels.

More variety in PvE in DUST 514 and EVE Online
- DUST-side Missions similar to Campaign-modes (miniaturized) in other games. With diverging outcomes based on actions. More EVE-side mission varieties, with new types such as 'escort'.

I'll vote for you if you push for some Sansha zombie missions.

What about having two separate bodies with each body nominating one of its members to simultaneously serve on the other body to represent that body's opinions...ie CSM & CPM with one person from CSM serving on the CPM board and one person from the CPM serving on the CSM board.

lol ur pretty stubborn tbh
i already said when matters for the EVE//DUST link needs to be discussed CCP should sit down with BOTH CSMs to discuss the matter not leave it up to one or 2 ppl to talk for the ENTIRE community of DUST players

YES we are one universe BUT there are two SEPERATE games why cant u see that there are 2 dev teams working on the 2 games.

Not everything discussed by the CSM is always gonna be about the link. Game balance, expansions etc etc will be discussed so sorry but ur not really posing a strong claim to having one.

Also on top of being stubborn about ppls suggestions u also do not have a strong presence within the community. I honestly never see u posting feedback on topics to better the game for us DUST mercs yet the CSM voting thing comes along and i see this thread on why WE as a community should throw their support behind someone who has done almost nothing really when it comes to providing CCP with feedback and ideas to BETTER the game for the community of DUST mercs.

While having a DUST representative in CSM 8 might be all well and nice, by your replys I think you definately should not be ours.

You, for reasons that suit you, keep insisting on DUST/EVE relation being the question of all questions. You even give us example of how is EVE represented in CSM by sectors like 0.0, WH, FW, etc. and treat DUST as one of these which should then take one or two places on the board, not caring for the fact that DUST, while shares same physical space, has (will have) its own gameplay in those mentioned sectors.

Also your personality is a bit problematic, as here comes notorious question 'Who are you?' Beside nice wishes and common places written in platform I am clueless (and I guess many other) on what and who you stand for. You forget that this game is young and we do not have 10 years old community with all developed social connections to easy track someone even if we never heard about him -- this also means that insisting on voting as a must for first few CPMs is not really necessary -- those who work most with and for community will come up and be part of it (even if it is un/semiofficial, it is good enough to communicate with the Shanghai team.)

CPM after all doesn't have to be simple replica of CSM.

Etc, etc. Lastly, after these three pages I can conclude your lack of 'ears' for the community and I would rather have none than such representative. Otherwise wish you all the best.

I'd like to know what 'reasons that suit me' you hold up there. I'm pushing for integration for the community. Do you want an active say in what happens to this game in an official capacity? The community, becasue it shares the same universe in Real Time, should be more integrated. These, while benefiting me (because I am also a part of the community) cannot be discounted as benefitting the entire community. More integration = more community staying power = better chance of game's survival and not dwindling to a few fanatical players (likely myself included) who deperately hang onto a game that the community abandoned because it was not 'included'.

"Who am I?" Well if you looked at my platform, previous posts, etc. You'd know what I stand for. By my replies in this very thread, you'd know what I stand for. I'm known to alot of people in-game, as well and some of the greater New Eden Community. I've co-hosted on Podside multiple times now, and love doing so. Discussing EVE, DUST and their Integration and CSM news.

Inclusion in the existing framework is one of many ways this game will survive. The self-appointed CPM is doing a great job of bringing gameplay issues to light, and I commend them, and continue to commend them for doing that. But it doesn't bring the two communities together. CCPs vision for DUST has always been One Universe // One War, and that includes one community, one voice. It's just two different ways of looking at, and interacting with this great universe we have.

Ive been playing since the beginning of closed beta and don't know who u are. This is the only post ive seen you on and I don't believe we've played together. U r also in a Corp I do not recognize. I'm not saying this would make you a bad candidate hut you need to get involved a bit more imho

I have no opinion on what's happening TBH, but you haven't seen him because he's Australian and if you'd been playing closed beta you would probably recognise our corp.