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Anyanka Shadowmane
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.12.23 09:17:00 -
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To be honest, I wouldn't have said that they were overtly sexualised. The Heavies still lumber around carrying their HMGs and their Forge guns. In fact, during a game, I can't usually tell if any given character is male or female.
I'll certainly take another look, now that you've mentioned it, but I think that dust is considerably better than most games at treating both sexes equally.
In real life, women and men wear the same fatigues, armour and use the same equipment. It's generally very difficult to tell them apart from their male colleagues without seeing their faces or hearing them speak.
In Dust, ALL the characters models, have helmets and are silent. Therefore to match real life, there should just be one character model for each class. However, rather than being lauded for it's realism, that would have the game labeled as sexist for only allowing male characters.
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Anyanka Shadowmane
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.12.23 10:53:00 -
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Okay, having had another look I still can't tell male from female during a game. I suppose it's possible that I didn't see any female characters. Watching one slink around the mercenary quarters, you're right. The female character model does sway more in the hips, while the male sways more in the shoulders.
I could just about see the wedge boots on the character models in the fitting screen, I wonder if their inclusion was as an effort to feminise the character model or, if it was to keep both models fitting the same size, but allow for female proportions in the design... Probably a bit of both. The heel does seem to change size with the suits, it's not there at all on the heavy suit. In fact, the heavy suit is virtually the same as the male version.
So yeah, it seems to me that the suits are filled with what 'society' considers to be idealised figures of a male and a female.
I think the design of Dust does quite well at putting those figures in similar combat gear.
Do the female character models walk in a manner that society deems to be attractive?
Yes, but then so does the male. I don't bull around shoulders first like a stereotypical alpha male, but that is what society deems is an attractive quality in a man.
Is this a problem with society? Possibly, but that's not an necessarily a discussion for these forums.
Is this a problem with Dust? I don't think so ( maybe they could dial in the hip sway). |
Anyanka Shadowmane
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.12.23 11:30:00 -
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Tzaar Bomba wrote:Please dont get me started on society. It has so many issues. This is merely perceptive, im fairly confident they just said "this is how a woman walks" not "BAM!!! DAT ASS" just pick something else lol.
Lol, I agree.
However, as far as making this game ready for public release, if the swaying hips is a problem for a large number of players, then this is the time and the medium to discuss it. :-) |
Anyanka Shadowmane
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.12.23 13:21:00 -
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Snaps Tremor wrote:It's not that the female suits are just the usual embarrassing gamer fan service made by guys for guys (although they are), it's that female players aren't given a choice. Be a ridiculously sexualised clone, limit your choices of dropsuit, or be a man.
The only person who really gains anything from this is the hypothetical idiot teenage gamer who really does get hype about a metallic ass swinging around wildly, and **** that guy.
I disagree. The suits themselves, I think are fine. They seem to be based on naturalistic athletic, male and female proportions with the various suits over the top. Three of the female versions have a slight lift in their heel. But I wouldn't call that 'ridiculously sexualised'. The heavies are virtually the same, the female logos have a more feminine hip to wait ratio and the slight lift in their shoes, the assault have this too as well as a slightly larger and shaped chest area. The scout proportions are pretty realistic too considering that both male and female figures are wearing figure hugging outfits.
The scout could have a slightly smaller chest, as though she was wearing a sports bra, that would make sense to me, but otherwise, I don't see how they could be different while still having definite male and female character models.
The female characters 'hippy' walk could, again, be lessened, but men and women do, in general, walk differently. Having no difference at all would look wrong.
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Anyanka Shadowmane
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
80
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Posted - 2012.12.23 14:19:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:There's so much fail in this topic I don't even know where to start. The only non-sexist argument in favour of these suits I've seen is the commentary on Gallente culture.
Really? May I ask what within my comments you considered sexist? |
Anyanka Shadowmane
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.12.23 19:49:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Anyanka Shadowmane wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:There's so much fail in this topic I don't even know where to start. The only non-sexist argument in favour of these suits I've seen is the commentary on Gallente culture. Really? May I ask what within my comments you considered sexist? You didn't make any arguments in favour of the current female dropsuits.
I apparently didn't get my point across properly then, and for that, I apologise.
I definitely disagree with the ascertation that Dust has 'obviously hyper-sexualised women'. I think that the female characters display realistic proportions for an athletic female. I do not believe that body proportion customisation is feasible in a FPS, as all characters from any single class should be the same size to ensure balanced hit detection.
The OP has said that Dust has 'obviously hyper-sexualised women' in the game art work. Do you just mean in game, or are you referring to other art work as well?
Is it all females character models you see as being a problem? If not, which ones have what problems? |
Anyanka Shadowmane
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
80
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Posted - 2012.12.23 23:48:00 -
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Oops, sorry, I appear to have inadvertently double posted rather than contributing anything new to the discussion. |
Anyanka Shadowmane
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
80
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Posted - 2012.12.24 12:22:00 -
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NovaShadowStorm wrote:Miss the point? You're the one making to much out of it, read again, my point is clear, You're saying that Dust women are oversexualised, my point is that look around, real life, women these days dress alot more provacatively for you to call this oversexualised compared to everyday life, TV, and other games in general is a joke.
In fairness, I think the point that Chunky Munkey and Kazeno Rannaa are trying to make is that sexism is bad and that something being 'less sexist' than something else doesn't make it okay.
Also, that if the female character models are 'oversexualised' then that is sexist. If this is the case, then do we want to be a part of propagating a sexist game? I'd say no, and that this is the correct time to discuss and possibly change things.
Personally, I don't agree that the female character models are 'over-sexualised', and I don't think a change is warranted. |
Anyanka Shadowmane
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.12.24 13:34:00 -
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NovaShadowStorm wrote:I understand what you're saying and agree being sexist is bad, but at the same time really look around at how women dress today. I just can't fathom how people think the women in Dust are oversexualised when women themselves, real women choose to dress in a far more provacative and sexualised way.
Ahh, sorry, I didn't quite understand you earlier posts. It would seem that you and I are arguing similar point and are generally in agreement that neither of us think that the women in dust are overly sexualised.
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Anyanka Shadowmane
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
80
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Posted - 2012.12.25 22:03:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:*wonders if im the only RL girl who has posted thoughts on this....*
I wouldn't be surprised if you were  |
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