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Posted - 2012.12.20 16:34:00 -
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G-SLicK wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I use AR's primarily, and AR's are fine. Its not a bad thing that AR's are no longer unbeatable, its ok for other weapons to be as good. Just get use to it, and it will be eventually be just fine. I actually find AR's more fun now, and I have been doing much better than before. they were always beatable, Marton's laser rifles killed the crap out of me, Blondie's HMG wrecked me, Sleepy's snipers gave me a hard time. people just need to practice more G-slick you're such a beast on the field - I fear very little besides you and 2 others. Never seem to be able to kill you guys. But I think I see a problem with your thinking. CCP is a company - and your a hardcore gamer. The idea of the balance wasn't just fixing game mechanics - but a lot of what CCP is doing is developing a game that will last - thus their also trying to be attractive to gamers. And what's commonly known as unattractive to the FPS crowd is a single weapon that can do all in high end games. That was the AR - the do all weapon. Not do all because it can do everything well enough like an AR should - it did everything the best. That needed fixing pretty badly if CCP wants to advertise how depth there creative system is. A person shouldn't need to dedicate too much time learning a weapon that's only point and fire.
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Posted - 2012.12.20 16:41:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:In EVE this kind of rage at a nerf of the flavor of the month just don't happen any more.
We've realized and accepted that what you flew last year isn't going to be what you fly this year, and that is what makes the game fun. CCP has even said that they do the nerfs in the extreme to change up the landscape, and then later gradually boost the thing until it's balanced.
Adapt or die.
One day, a Buddhist monk saw an old guy fall into the river. The current was strong and there was a lot of rocks and big roots, surely he would get battered, entangled and drown. The monk was convinced he had just witnessed the death of a man.
After what seemed like a like an eternity, the old man crawled up the bank way down. The monk ran down and helped the old man, and asked; how did you survive? I was sure you would get tangled and drown.
Easily, the old man said, I just let the river take me where it wanted.
And the monk was enlightened. Please stop comparing Eve and DUST. You can run around with your head cut off in eve and never run into real trouble as you galloped around safe sections of the universe.
In dust nothing is safe - so if you suck you suck, period. That's why we need to pay more attention to our side more so then EVE seems to |
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Posted - 2012.12.20 20:49:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Berserker007 wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Your entire post is terrible.
- Heavies should always beat AR users in a 1v1 fight, as long as they aren't extremely stupid. The weakness with heavies is that they don't have equipment and can't be where they're needed as quickly as other suits. Yes, they shouldn't attack a squad in win, but an AR user beating a heavy 1v1 is a joke.
- Exactly: ARs should be a generalist weapon. However, unlike what you think, they shouldn't be perfect at everything. If you think you can get through armor faster than a MD, you're joking.
- How exactly was this ruined? The only difference now is the sniper has a chance to kill you if you run out in the open in front of them while shooting like an idiot.
- MDs needed a bigger clip- but perhaps only a 1 round increase. If you would use more than ARs (and by the sound of it, you used them because they were OP at the time) you would know this.
Learn to play- as I learned how to effectively use non-OP weapons last build. 1). CCP in early blogs even said heavies can be taken on 1v1 (by scounts in cqb; and AR's at range); so yeah, your whole belief is negated. And as others said, if heavies should win 1v1, then we'd all run heavy suits. I Can take out a heavy 1v1. Random AR scrubs shouldn't always beat heavies. Why would anyone play as a heavy if anything can beat them no problem? Because we're fools who hope that CCP doesn't screw us each build. Did I mention we're fools? Foolish fools. |
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Posted - 2012.12.20 21:19:00 -
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Kira Lannister wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Kira Lannister wrote:I think Assault Rifles should be repossessed. They cause a lot of murder. Derp derp. I heard the president say it! naw, the president said only criminals should be able to obtain guns Obeezy said that? Man that's not cool of him. Immma redact my vote! TV never lies man. Obama isn't even black - he paints himself everyday. |
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Posted - 2012.12.20 23:14:00 -
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Where's CCP's thoughts on all this and there reasonings - we can say whatever we like and it could be true or supported by biased opinions, it really doesn't matter if CCP had a plan all along for what they've done and we don't understand it.
and I had no idea about AR proto nerf. |
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Posted - 2012.12.20 23:34:00 -
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HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote:xprotoman23 wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:xprotoman23 wrote:The loss of a proper sight has completely altered gameplay with an assault rifle. I love how the noobs call things balanced, because the AR's no longer have a proper sight. I guarantee if CCP was to give AR's the camera back noobs would start bitching about the AR again. I'm looking forward to OPTIONAL scopes, when they introduce (hopefully later this build rather than waiting for the next) weapon customisation. I don't even use ARs, and I'm looking forward to the renewal of tears about them when it hits. "optional scopes" and "weapon customization" don't work for games that already have so many variables that alter weapon performance. CCP should keep things simple and offer the camera sights we already have along with ironsights. This game already offers enough customization we don't need more. Rather than adding customization CCP should focus on increasing the player count. They are "focusing on player count" by making us ALL play with iron sights....you guys sound like a bunch of sissys complaining sbout the iron sights BUT YOU'RE SO GOOD RIGHT....FPS GODS RIGHT?Then why does it phase you at all....cuz yer fkn exploit mod controller using bitches...Dont try to act like yer some fuking self rightous expert on FPS shooter games you fkn hack....WHHAAAA MY CREO WHAAA MY TAC WHHA IRON SIGHTS....fuckin grow up you winey *****.....What game doesnt have muzzle rise these days for a gun that does more damage or slowere ROF....WOW this is fking hilarious.....dont see you guys talking all the **** about a 25 million dollar corp match now do I? scrub In the future when you ask someone else to grow up - especially a group - you may want to sound something above a raging 10 y/o. |
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Posted - 2012.12.21 00:33:00 -
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Awesome thread - really. It went from QQ, to rage, to topic discussion, to ego showering, to what it is now - nothing. Mainly because no one is sure if this thread is about letting CCP know there ironsight wasn't appreciated by all or that the way they handle nerfs - which is to over nerf to hell - is starting to grind on some.
But +1 to Selinate duex - you've found a way to troll by not trolling. Ironic :D |
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Posted - 2012.12.21 01:18:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Telcontar Dunedain wrote:Right now, in game, there an imbalance issue as there is no good counter to laser range besides the burst AR. ...or a good player with the Tac AR ...or a Sniper Rifle ...or a Mass Driver in the right hands ...or effective use of cover ...or a cheap HAV ...or a decent LAV ...or a Dropship Damn I don't have any of that. Q.Q |
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Posted - 2012.12.21 03:32:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Regis Mk V wrote:All of the people who are "happy" with the AR nerf never fired a weapon before. The reason why AR's are supposed to be stable platforms is because they excel in all ranges except extremely long distance that belongs to SR's. The recoil for the AR's is completely over exaggerated. Have you ever fired a Gallente AR? Or any weapon using Blaster technology, for that matter? Arguing that the rules of sci-fi have to match the real world equivalent even remotely - let alone accurately - is kind of missing the point. Let's be honest - the history of mankind and how we evolve our weapons shows us we're very efficient in making weapons better in every single way with little drawbacks. DUST is how many years into the future and we're still using guns? A missile in space made sense to me in EVE - tracking and CPU additions to missiles can really turn them sci fi - but guns? How do you make a gun sci fi and balanced? I don't see how it's possible. CCP stuck themselves with this design so let's hope they do something with it. |
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Posted - 2012.12.21 03:52:00 -
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Regis Mk V wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Regis Mk V wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Regis Mk V wrote:The AR was doing what it was supposed to do.
The assault rifle became the standard military rifle in the post-World War II era. The Soviet Union led the way with the AK-47, and other nations followed later. Combat experience during the World Wars had shown that most infantry combat took place at 200GÇô300 meters (218GÇô328 yards) distance and that the winner of any given firefight would most likely be the one with the highest rate of fire. The rifle cartridges of the day were therefore unnecessarily powerful, producing recoil and report in exchange for marginal benefit. The lower power of the intermediate cartridge meant that each soldier could fire more bullets faster and/or with less recoil and its lighter weight allowed more ammunition to be carried. It was doing what it WOULD be supposed to do IN THE REAL WORLD, where gameplay and balance aren't key concerns for weapon manufacturers to take into account. Having a weapon that's barely a half-step short of ideal for 99% of encounters is good for reality, but bad for game balance. Weren't you one of the original guys saying screw balance adapt or die?! I find it funny how the tables turn when it's something you like lol. Like I said if that's the case then all weapons should have ridiculous amounts of recoil because of how strong they are. Oh wait we are in the future and have mastered FTL travel but can't make stable weapon platforms for our troops to fire LOL LOL! When did I ever say "screw balance"? Find it and link it, and make sure it isn't painfully obvious sarcasm. If I did, then I'm sorry, and I was wrong. But yeah, I've said "adapt or die" quite a few times. And this will probably develop into another of those times. Game has changed. In my opinion, it's a change for the better. I sucked with ARs before they got nerfed/changed. I still suck with them. When other players were good with them and a lot of non-AR-users (and some AR users) called them OP, I found ways to kill their users anyway, or died trying. Don't like the new AR mechanics? Adapt or die. If they nerf something I like, or am good with, I'll either find a new way to make it work (adapt) or I'll move to a different weapon (adapt) and until I succeed at one of those two options.... (die) I see no problem, and I see no contradiction. How could you suck with the AR but say it needs a nerf or like the nerf it received. In any FPS a weapon that needs a nerf is a weapon that any and all players could use with little to no effort. Something like SMG's in the new COD but that wasn't the case in Dust with the AR's because there were still people who could not use them properly... You don't need to use a weapon to get hit by it enough to notice somethings wrong lol |
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Posted - 2012.12.21 04:38:00 -
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Reading around... a lot of the comments are based on G-slick simply being an imperfect speaking out loud. Anyone else find this a tad bit... uncivilized? ^_^
I aim for them as much as the next guy on this forum but the jelly on the imperfects is unfounded. So what they can beat a bunch of beta testers. Beta Testers aren't exactly suppose to be a elite group of players. Bring the ego trips down a bit and take another gander at the AR because as much as I like the changes they still need tweaking. And not a single comment has been said on how to improve what's there besides more scope choices.
I want a ton of things for AR. I want to be able to make it a deployable weapon, we're suppose to be in the future, if my gun takes up CPU then it has a computer - so let me see it. |
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