+1 i think its a good idea to separate the driver from main gun as well. The only thing i see as a problem, is who the hell would want to just drive the tank the whole time. You would end up with a million gunners, and no drivers!... lol UNLESS... you can somehow make it to where you have to start as a driver then move up as you skill up into gunner of one of the smaller turrets, then up to the main gun. That would be kinda interesting.

I fully agree to this separation. I've been advocating it for a long time.

Yes, there are many ways to balance tanks right now but none of them really leave the sandbox feeling Dust is build around. The problem isn't the maps, the turn speed, armour or any of those arguements.
The problem is that people are treating tanks like super-heavy suits for soloing with. Even the tankers with gunners on board retain 95% of the vehicle's power and have 100% of the thinking going on. The gunners are usually just people trying not to die while getting more kills.

Tanks are a team asset and should be operated by a squad. Not soloed.
Also, nobody said the driver HAS TO BE the owner. Try thinking differently.
The owner should have lock-out abilities and get to choose who gets in but he himself can take any role within.

Another issue is squad sizes and team limitations. We are currently limited to teams of 4 squads where each squad is 4 players. We have no options for partitioning differently.
A tank should really be a 3 person squad with the 4th spot empty. We should also have the ability to play with squad sizes a bit for say 2-6 players per squad. Teams should not have a squad limit at all.

And the last issue with tank drivers and the "fun" they're having is the rewards. Currently it's a crap job being a driver or pilot. You get no WP for most actions. As I understand it, this is being worked on and drivers/pilots should get a lot more in the next build (not update).

That's my 2 cents.

This idea needs to stay up high :D

One thing that needs implementing before this, is some sort of locking system for vehicles. This NEEDS implementing irrelevant quite frankly. As it stands, there's absolutely nothing from stopping people from stealing vehicles worth 3 mill isk or just hopping in to steal assists from you, when you could have a guy on comms instead.

Mobius:The money you spend on an HAV is not a good justification for keeping it from being what it should be: a cooperative vehicle. It should be useless without a second person

Mobius: This game is designed around teamplay, and one-man tanks just helps to emphasize the kind of lone-wolfing that leads to your team losing matches.

Kyy: That's the whole point of this suggestion.
If tanks need multiple people to take down, they should require multiple people to operate.

Goric: It's not my problem what "the average player" finds enjoyable. The point isn't to make tank driving fun for everybody. Despite the apparently popular view, this isn't a game about tanks. There will be some people who enjoy and take pride in just driving a tank--like the people who enjoy and take pride in flying dropships.
The guys who are piloting dropships are forking over the same kind of cash. Therefore I don't find this argument convincing

Planetside 1, for example, and many of the current players of Planetside 2 have been protesting the change to a driver controlled turret, and asking for the old system back. You won't find a single tank in reality that has the turret controlled by the driver, because it gimps the effectiveness of the vehicle. And yes, I know this is a game, but the same principles apply in the management of the vehicle. Separating the two functions into two positions would increase the viability of the vehicle, and also make them more of a team asset than a one-man force-multiplier.

Why? Why should it be useless without a second person? Please explain this. Its purpose is not served by it being a mandatorily multiplayer vehicle.


It's funny that you say that. Because, when I play matches with a tank, I don't lone wolf at all. That's the fastest way to get killed. I find the knots of guys moving to kill others (deathmatch) or capturing the points and support them. 80% of the time, this leads to my team winning matches. Unless the enemy team has a competant dropship, tank pilot, or AV guys, in which case it's just a standard case of combined arms. Incidentally... that's called "team play", and I can do it without corp/fixed-squad backup.


Except... they don't. One good player can do it with a proper AV fit (one in a speedy suit instead of a heavy). One decent player can do it with... another tank. It's not like the tank guy is unique. Most of MY tanking is done in Militia-fit equipment (except the turret and Nanos... I'd LOVE a Militia nano).


No, but you're making it the average player's problem what YOU find enjoyable, so I don't see much difference.

This game isn't about tanks. It's about warfare, with a variety of options. Tanks are an option. Some people don't like that one person can pilot it. However, forcing it to be a mandatory co-op vehicle is not going to make things better.

As for the dropship comment, check my post. This is already covered. It's not a 'flying tank', a 'gunship', or an 'attack aircraft'. It's a DROPship. It's designed to drop troops. It's not designed as a warship. Modern militaries often have troop-hauling helicopters with door gunners. That doesn't make them attack ships, it makes them troop carriers, exactly like the Dropships they inspired.
If you'd like a role-based counter to your commentary, then consider this: tank can't fly across the map in fifteen seconds and drop 6 guys off to complete annihilate any enemies and take the point they were guarding, either. That's extremely powerful. It also requires teamwork, as it should. Incidentally, a good dropship and gunner can hound a tank to the point where it really can't do much.

If CCP made an attack aircraft (and I hope they do), I seriously hope it can be piloted and fight with a single character. For the record, I hope they make some fast ground attack craft that can do the same. I also wouldn't mind an armored APC that has like 1.5 times a tank's health and only the 2 small turrets, but can hold 5 other guys. A 'ground dropship', as it were. Proably won't happen, but still.

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As an aside, I agree with Tyas. Vehicles should require skills to USE them, not to FIT them. If you don't have the skills for a missile turret or a Gunnlogi, you should not be able to hop in one and go joyriding in it. In addition, you SHOULD be able to fit things you can't get into, if for no other reason than build experimentation. This would also help 'sort' people so that those with improper skills can't hop into your ride.

We all must of been low level because only once when we all manage to hit the tank at roughly the same time did we see his shield dip. To keep the story short, we lost. But it was breathtaking sight that even outnumbering the opposition and all with anti-tanking weaponry, we couldn't even scare the tank to retreat, left a funny feeling.

Now im not one to judge whether the tank is overpowered, thats the natural of a rpgmmo type game such as this. Perhaps there is a problem with the noob, standard swarm? Or maybe the lack or any other alternative weaponry available for a low level team? Or tactics?

Why? Why should it be useless without a second person? Please explain this. Its purpose is not served by it being a mandatorily multiplayer vehicle.

This game isn't about tanks. It's about warfare, with a variety of options. Tanks are an option. Some people don't like that one person can pilot it. However, forcing it to be a mandatory co-op vehicle is not going to make things better.

Except... they don't. One good player can do it with a proper AV fit (one in a speedy suit instead of a heavy). One decent player can do it with... another tank. It's not like the tank guy is unique. Most of MY tanking is done in Militia-fit equipment (except the turret and Nanos... I'd LOVE a Militia nano).

i agree. any way when i bought my tank-wich blew up 30 secs after drop in btw-i was trying to drive and shoot at the same time and failed completely. if they do implement this system i hope they make the main gun quicker to turn.

I still love this Idea so much

Would you drive the tank or shoot the main turret?

Would you drive the tank or shoot the main turret?

Tbh I would be trying to set the dam thing on fire.

If I had to be in it tho I would be the driver 90% of the time and 10% main turret just to mix it up a little.

Also + 1 Mobius Wyvern because i know deep down your starting to see the light

Tyras Borg got a like 2

Man its strange handing out likes to known tank drivers lol

i agree. any way when i bought my tank-wich blew up 30 secs after drop in btw-i was trying to drive and shoot at the same time and failed completely. if they do implement this system i hope they make the main gun quicker to turn.

Pretty sure there's already fast turning variants in game. They are very power hungry however.

Although with the bugged skills not working at the minute, your very limited as to what you can fit on your tanks power and CPU wise. It's certainly not like last build, now you really have to make choices as the power just isn't there.

No, but you're making it the average player's problem what YOU find enjoyable, so I don't see much difference.

This game isn't about tanks. It's about warfare, with a variety of options. Tanks are an option. Some people don't like that one person can pilot it. However, forcing it to be a mandatory co-op vehicle is not going to make things better.

As an aside, I agree with Tyas. Vehicles should require skills to USE them, not to FIT them. If you don't have the skills for a missile turret or a Gunnlogi, you should not be able to hop in one and go joyriding in it. In addition, you SHOULD be able to fit things you can't get into, if for no other reason than build experimentation. This would also help 'sort' people so that those with improper skills can't hop into your ride.

It got popular by LAVs and Dropships being forced to have multiple people to be effective, while the most effective weapon on the field only needs one person ?