The obvious question:
why are tanks the only vehicles in the game that only need one person to both drive and operate the main turret.

- You need 2 players to get the most out from simple LAV.
- Drop-ship without gunners can only fly. Drop-ship without pilot, can't fly.

Why not just make Tanks work in similar fashion?
if you want to use the main turret you need to be the gunner, if you want to drive the tank you better be on the drivers position.
Since tanks seem to require loads of teamwork to take down, why do they require none to operate?

^this

you lads just want to be lazy and drain on another person that worked his skill up even tho he needs ALOT more SP and then you wonna use their main turet? roflmao

you want to shoot with the big gun?

1 then why does the tank driver needs to get all the skills to be able to fit them?
2 get ur own tank skills, since the cost to get them is ALOT more then infantry 12x modifiers, 8x modifiers... you need over 10 milion SP into tanks to have a "decent" tank

if you got 10 mil SP into infantry, ur little brat is , maxed out to its limits while a tank driver is barely halfway max.

HAV to lvl 4 : 1,7 mil SP
HAV to lvl 5 : over 3 mil SP


cost difference infantry maxed out : 150K ISK
Tank halfway maxed out : over 1,5 mil / tank (Saaris / sury the hull alone is already 1,3 mil without any fit; decent full fit the tank costs over 3 mil each

you lads just want to be lazy and drain on another person that worked his skill up even tho he needs ALOT more SP and then you wonna use their main turet? roflmao

Not really, just easier to operate provided that you have someone who acts as your gunner/driver. But at the expense of heavily reduced (at least) offensive FOV and non-synchronized movement.

Here's a few situations that could happen:
- A Long range AV tank is blasting you but main gunner is completely oblivious from where.
You: "IT'S THERE!" Him: "WHERE!?" You: THERE! *boom*
- Light weight tank with speed modules and fast turrets is constantly attacking you from god knows where, and your main turret is constantly loosing the track of it.
- LAV is circling your tank faster than your main-gun can turn and you only have one gunner.
- swarms out of ******* nowhere.

4-players in a single tank can be a tough thing to take down, especially alone.. but that's a whole squad, it should be a force to be reckoned with. Besides 4-players can only cover 3 directions + drivers view, still providing plenty of blinds spots for hostile tanks and av-infantry to use.

A heavy drop suit is 4 million sp just for the suit. Another 2.5 for the gun alone. Not including the other skills needed to unlock the suit and gun so your argument doesn't hold much water. Our gun cost 140, risk per death plus the suit 200 something. average deaths to a tank filled match is four. So our suits cost more than your tanks. Per match!

Wait - so - it's detrimental to have things act like they do in Eve what with turrets not being able to track fast moving targets?

Wow. Man, we need to go tell CCP Soundwave this and have him change all of the combat mechanics of Eve Online -right now-

OK, I only read first 3 pages of this thread so if it's already suggested, I'm sorry

How about a compensation ? Let's devide HAV into 2 category a light tank and a heavy tank.

1. Light Tank will operate the same as it was. Single player both driver and gunner just like any other FPS. In turn, this kind of tank will be balanced accordingly. A paper tank just like any FPS tank out there.

2. Heavy Tank will require a squad to man them. Just like what we suggested in this thread. This kind of tank can be uber killing machine like it currently is but need more men to operate, more teamwork require and more rewarding when killed.

PS: This way everyone get what they want. Solo FPS tanker got to drive & shoot. AV tank hater got some easy tank to kill. Hardcore team-based tanker got to work with his friend and a tank that can actually tank something.

Don't agree with 1-man light tank tough, it would render lavs fairly useless. Maybe if it's just front turret (APC with front HMG) or any vehicle with small turret + A.I Drone module or something.

This topic is pretty null and void now it seems. What's the point in creating well thought out and decent suggestions for alternatives if all we get is a cheap and nasty fix?.

I liked this idea a lot, but CCP think it's better to appease whiners it seems. At this early stage in a games life the fact that the devs are already pandering to a whiny player base is more than a little worrying frankly.

Maybe this might be a good idea, but how many of the vehicles in this game let the driver shoot something? I am still new at this.

Many current tank abusers might be against this, but it's actually pretty reasonable suggestion that improves:
Team-work, somewhat balances vehicles and potentially offers new character builds like gunner, driver etc.

The obvious question:
why are tanks the only vehicles in the game that only need one person to both drive and operate the main turret.

- You need 2 players to get the most out from simple LAV.
- Drop-ship without gunners can only fly. Drop-ship without pilot, can't fly.

Why not just make Tanks work in similar fashion?
if you want to use the main turret you need to be the gunner, if you want to drive the tank you better be on the drivers position.
Since tanks seem to require loads of teamwork to take down, why do they require none to operate?

This would also solve few other problems as well.
- Unable to see where you are going due to slow turret / camera turning speed.
- Driver should be the only one that has the ability to see the tank from 3rd person perspective.
- Upcoming Smoke grenades and EMP grenades could severely hinder the gunners due to poor visibility / turret camera system failing.
- Boost the usefulness of many tank modules like the speed module (due to a driver and gunner being separate roles, you could drive the tank while gunners handle the shooting. )