I am for this idea but the driver should be instead of the front gunner if the top gunner gets a 360 degree view.
The driver should also have two or three small straight forward looking guns too like the WW2 tanks had.

In first person view the driver could have a cockpit view where he has small screens that show the view from the turrets, the front view, a map and a large screen that shows the view from a camera on the turret. That could look like this or this.With the right stick you can look around on the large screen.

The main gunner could be the tank commander and have a cockpit view too. There he could have one screen with the view from the turret and one with a overview map where he can set attack and rally targets for the crew of the tank. He can also give these orders with L2+L3. You steer the cursor on the map with the left stick.

I don't see in any way how this would be a nerf or a buff to tanks. They would still be tough, powerful, lumbering behemoths, still have all the same stats, still have the same effectiveness.

Instead it's a nerf to solo kill whoring, and a buff to teamwork. I'm 100% fine with it taking a team to kill a tank if it takes a team to field one.

I posted about this in the general dicussion without looking first, i'm sorry OP *sobs*

Anyways, I completely agree with this with the addition of the driver being the tank commander; having the ability to kick players if they're not doing an adequate job or if they're not part of the orginal tank crew.

I really don't like this idea. Driving a big, slow vehicle and doing nothing but drive it is incredibly boring. Anyone who played Planetside 1 knows what I'm talking about. Footing the bill for an expensive vehicle, spending all those SP on it, and not ever getting a kill for your effort except for a couple times you run someone over would be terrible. I understand that tanks are a bit too much now, but the solution isn't to make driving a tank a thankless, gloryless, boring way to play the game.

I like the idea of 4 in a tank makes it really really worth killing.

Well then, assign the forward mounted turret to the driver. That way you don't need a full 4 people to operate it, but the driver is still incapable of dominating a map on his lonesome.

This is still a very lazy way to approach the problem. Someone dumping millions of ISK and SP into a tank wants to get some kind of payoff. Shooting a small missile turret ain't it. The way you make tankers need to help of other players is by making tanks vulnerable to infantry if they're not supported by their own infantry. Tank drivers should feel like badasses. Everyone should feel like a badass. Making driving a tank not fun is a horrible way to approach the issue of tanks being overpowered.

Many current tank abusers might be against this, but it's actually pretty reasonable suggestion that improves:
Team-work, somewhat balances vehicles and potentially offers new character builds like gunner, driver etc.

The obvious question:
why are tanks the only vehicles in the game that only need one person to both drive and operate the main turret.

- You need 2 players to get the most out from simple LAV.
- Drop-ship without gunners can only fly. Drop-ship without pilot, can't fly.

Why not just make Tanks work in similar fashion?
if you want to use the main turret you need to be the gunner, if you want to drive the tank you better be on the drivers position.
Since tanks seem to require loads of teamwork to take down, why do they require none to operate?

This would also solve few other problems as well.
- Unable to see where you are going due to slow turret / camera turning speed.
- Driver should be the only one that has the ability to see the tank from 3rd person perspective.
- Upcoming Smoke grenades and EMP grenades could severely hinder the gunners due to poor visibility / turret camera system failing.
- Boost the usefulness of many tank modules like the speed module (due to a driver and gunner being separate roles, you could drive the tank while gunners handle the shooting. )

bad idea
what ******* game do u know with tanks that doesnt have the tank driver using the main gun
dumb suggestion, not a good way to balance tanks

Dropships =/= tanks
Dropships = transport chopper from BF3

Lot of tank hatred going on here.

LAV's are useful without weapons. Honestly, I wish there was a way to NOT have a turret on an LAV, just to use it as a fast travel device. You can use them to drop people behind enemy lines, use them as portable spawn points, etc. They are extremely multipurpose and the turret is just a 'bonus'. You can use them for multiple roles even without their weapon.

HAV's, aka Tanks, are not useful without weapons. Their only advantage is a big gun and scads of hit points. The small turrets are a bonus. If the main gun didn't exist on a tank it would be absolutely pointless. It's slow, can't go over as much terrain, and is easy to see and target from a distance as it crawls toward you. More importantly, if the driver did NOT have control of the gun, it would be mandatory that the vehicle have a second person. Otherwise it would be useless. One person calling one in would basically have a large, slow, armored crate.

Dropships are not designed to be weapons of destruction. Their primary purpose is to move troops. Comparing them to tanks is outright silly.

Let the guy who's forking over a quarter-of-a-million to a million isk for a tank both drive and shoot it at the same time.

it would be mandatory that the vehicle have a second person. Otherwise it would be useless. One person calling one in would basically have a large, slow, armored crate.

Do you really believe the average player would find tanks more enjoyable if all they could do was drive it and maybe shoot its small turret, as opposed to driving it and shooting the main gun?

Let the guy who's forking over a quarter-of-a-million to a million isk for a tank both drive and shoot it at the same time.