@Veigar,

You missed a memo.

You have to substitute "MAG 2.0" for "True FPS" and you'll pretty much see the true complaint that lot have.

Same people, same complaints.

Wrong ....

MAG had vehicles

Vehicle skills, repair skills, assets, lots of things that aren't in "pure" FPS games. There are SO many mag players who were repair/medic/AV, I can't wait to see grouping in action.

@Larheon
AWP was just a typo. They misspelled WIN.

Is Shooting in First Person enough to qualify Dust 514 as a FPS? YES.
Is it enough to make it a quality FPS? NO.

Now Dust gives a lot of emphasis to Character Building, and we have already FPS/shooters that have this BUT what is really important is how much this RPG elements interfere with the FPS mechanics.
Each VG ask you to apply your skills as a player in a specific task and what is that task in FPS? Shooting.
In FPS you are measured on the quality of you shooting which is determined by 2 things: your reflexes & thinking!
In classic RPG reflexes are important but not as important as in FPS or fighting games or hack & slash.
Action RPG like Demon/Dark Souls give more importance to your reflexes but still without a good character build (gear & in-game skills) you can't truly compete BUT it's intended that way because it's a RPG and there's nothing wrong in it because it's feasible to do that.
Now, the music changes for a FPS because in FPS reflexes are historically 95% of the experience and so you can't say to the FPS player "you need the right gear & in-game skills"...that works for RPG but not for FPS.
Purist of FPS won't like the emphasis CCP is giving to RPG elements simply because it's not what FPS player game for!

CCP has no experience whatsoever in FPS but plenty in RPG so they are doing what they do best but is it right thing for a FPS MMO?
Shouldn't they change this before it's too late as many here say?

Also I would like to say that COD does what it does perfectly, same for BF, Halo & Killzone.
You don't have to like them (I don't like COD because it's too arcade for my taste) but saying that those franchises don't excel it's a lie!



I am sorry to disappoint you but Dust 514 is not 12 months from it's release since it's confirmed to be a 2012 title.
Now we don't even know if it is scheduled for December 2012 so NOBODY can say we have still 6 months left for it to be better.
Also consider that Dust 514 has been in development for a lot of time and that there is always a "non return point" so many things CAN'T be changed!

I'd give you 20 likes if I could.

Given the stated release this year, the likelihood of having passed the point of no return is disconcerting. I hope that's not the case the the FPS mechanics get cleaned up.

What the hell is your definition of a "pure" FPS game? MAG was the "purest" FPS we had til Dust came around (albeit Dust is incomplete and the bigger features aren't there). MAG was a military simulator, doesn't get more pure than that if you ask me.

I have been seeing complaints recently, about Dust 514 not being a "True FPS". Let me define the acronym - First Person Shooter.

Now lets elaborate. What does first person mean? Well quite simply, your viewpoint is through your characters eyes. In Dust 514 your viewpoint is exactly this. First person - proven.

And to those of you who don't know what "shooter" means in relation to video games, it would be a game in which you shoot things. Be it a top-down shooter, a Third Person Shooter (TPS) or, in the case of Dust 514, a First Person Shooter.

Dust has all of the things that define what a first person shooter is, so how in the hell is it not a "True FPS"? I am sick of this "QQ to much vehicle warfare, I can't take it. Dust isn't a true FPS" or "QQ people are using remote explosives as grenades, I hate it. Dust isn't a true FPS". I have a question for you people, have you ever, possibly, just maybe, played anything in the Battlefield franchise? What are those big, armored vessels that people tend to blow each other up with? Or what about those things with the big spinning blades that people fly around in? Or the things with jet engines on the back? What are those little packets that people through on the ground and then trigger as you step over them, causing you to die oh-so-horribly? There is a game called PlanetSide, vehicles are a big part of that one too. How else are you going to travel around the continents? I'm sure you don't want to do it on foot.

My point is that vehicle warfare is not new in Dust 514, it does not take away from the experience. Throwing remote explosives around as grenades is not new in Dust 514, may it be a little bit over done, it is not new. In fact, can't you even do that in CoD? I know there are players coming from that crowd. It isn't a problem of method in Dust, it is however a problem of to much inventory. If you equip grenades, you get 3. I've read that Logi's can equip 15 RE's. That is pretty serious overkill.

Anyway, I'm done ranting. All this QQ'ing is just pissing me off, especially with this ******** statement being thrown around.

Edit: I am aware of why people are saying this, I'm just really bothered by the ignorance of the community that has gathered in this beta.

Pure FPS means you're in first-person ALL the time, and the ONLY objective is to shoot things.

So... Doom isn't a pure FPS either, because of the key-hunting expeditions. So... looking at multiplayer, I don't think we even HAVE a first-person shooter that can be called "pure" legitimately in the current generation. Battlefield gives you vehicles, and with those vehicles you leave your first-person perspective. It also gives objectives other than "shoot ALL the things" so it's not even sticking to that aspect in a "pure" sense.

Military Sim Gëá Pure FPS

Hold on let me call up CCP !!!........
Unn huh ! ya ya thats what he said ..... ok yes ok yes i will o-ok ok ill let him no ok bye !
ok that was CCP they tolled me to tell you this ...
"This is not the CoD game your looking for !"

Well by that logic Wolfenstein 3D wasn't a pure FPS either and it was the first at least the first major title. Also quake wasn't maybe unreal but I don't have experience in that series.

By the logic I gave, I can think of a few pure FPS games. Quake 3: Arena, the Unreal Tournament series, and an older game called XS, which I never played outside the demo, but it was awesome for its time.

My point was that MAG is further from pure FPS than some of those other examples, but that doesn't make it less a part of the genre. Just like DUST's novelties don't make it less a part of the genre.

People argued over whether to slot the original Deus Ex into the FPS genre at first, too. And have you heard of a game called Strife? It was a Doom Engine RPG/FPS, but because of the strength of the FPS elements, its RPG title got ignored by a lot of people.

Really, it doesn't matter.

The game isn't MMOFPS anyway.

It's an economic/financial/political simulator MMO that uses FPS and RPG minigames to resolve wars which are mostly driven, won and lost by the economic and political elements to the game anyway.

What the hell is your definition of a "pure" FPS game? MAG was the "purest" FPS we had til Dust came around (albeit Dust is incomplete and the bigger features aren't there). MAG was a military simulator, doesn't get more pure than that if you ask me.

Great a post QQ'ing about the QQ! In BF3 the vehicles can actually be whats that word umm... DESTROYED! You don't need everyone and there grandma to destroy one tank that by the time you get it down it drives away and "SELF HEALS" where in the BF series you need a guy with a "REPAIR KIT" to do that. The problem with RE's is they don't have a charge time.

Secondly to you and the other people assuming that we want another COD or that the majority of us come from COD is stupid. I personally hate the COD franchise never liked it at all even the WWII shooters they kept throwing onto the market. The problem with vehicles in Dust unlike BF hell even the Planetside series is they self heal and take to much work to take them down. I don't see the tanks here in this game, beta whatever you want to call it with a weak spot to it's back.

Also when people say it's not a true FPS they mean it's an FPS that's determined by not who is the most skilled but who has the most skills. This was advertised as a hardcore shooter and it's not turning out to be that way. Hardcore shooters are dependent upon who is the most skilled. Why does someone with a Creo need an extra 20% damage buff? I honestly feel like CCP just threw in skills for the hell of throwing in skills.

Can't wait until BF4!

on the ps4?

I read the first 7 sentences and stopped, because I already think you're an idiot.


DUST isn't a shooter. It's playtime = dominance and that's MMO gayshit.

lol. I have 3.5m SP total, and it's spread over CQC, AR, and AV skills. I only have 2 advanced items in my inventory. I consistently beat players with upwards of 10m SP with full protosuits. Playtime does not equal winning, player skill does. You just aren't using the tools you are provided properly.

And I have 4.1mil and have lost count of how many times I've helped my team take down a Sagaris while I'm only using Militia gear. I've landed the finishing blow on several Suryas with a Militia SL, and have soloed multiple Madrugars and other low-tier HAVs. With LAVs and dropships, I can even take on the Proto models solo with all-Militia fits and have a reasonable expectation for success.

When I'm using GOOD gear (a rarity), I can do a LOT of damage... or a lot of healing, depending on which loadout I'm using.

It makes me wonder what these players are doing wrong.. So many of us are doing fine with militia/standard/advanced gear, and so many others are saying "If you don't have full proto, you lose".