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Basically what they are saying when they say it's not a true fps is really "it's not a CoD clone" or "It's not an Arcade Shooter". Which IMO is great because those types of shooters are terrible. Flashy....but terrible.

CoD has its moments, but it's a totally different style of game. Sure it's in the FPS umbrella, but its "jump in, shoot, jump out" and then do it all again. It has no lasting value. If I want to play a quick 15 minute match before work, maybe I'd play a quick game of Headquarters or something. But Dust is much more in-depth, and the games will probably end up being a bit longer than 15 minutes in some cases.

Basically what they are saying when they say it's not a true fps is really "it's not a CoD clone" or "It's not an Arcade Shooter". Which IMO is great because those types of shooters are terrible. Flashy....but terrible.

Wrong.

Please elaborate.

@Veigar,

You missed a memo.

You have to substitute "MAG 2.0" for "True FPS" and you'll pretty much see the true complaint that lot have.

Same people, same complaints.

Your wrong and you have no idea what your talking about.

He is not wrong, he has an opinion. Unless having the brain capacity to generate free thinking is a crime, he is not wrong. I agree with him that arcade style shooters get very stale, very fast.

He made a statement about what people are looking for not an opinion. And the statement he made is wrong.

People aren't looking for another CoD like game, the only people I see bringing up CoD in the first place are people trying to defend Dust in it's lack of decent fundamentals that should be implemented in all FPS's. CoD isn't the first FPS out there but it got popular because it does the fundamentals and it does them really well.

The guy clearly doesn't understand FPS's if he automatically associates every compliant with CoD even when nobody has mentioned CoD. He made a statement and he clearly doesn't understand what people are talking about and thus he is wrong.

Oh I see what you're saying. And in that case, he is quite right. I have seen several posts that say "nerf vehicles, this is an FPS not a tank game" or "lets see more small areas where you can't get vehicles, they shouldn't be the focus of an FPS" or "lets get rid of vehicles, they don't belong in an FPS". And, what is the most popular FPS right now that doesn't offer vehicle warfare..? You guessed it, CoD.

CoD does have vehicles they are just in form of killstreaks and not readily available anytime you want them. And the majority of FPS's don't allow for vehicles to be used. And when they are they aren't the end all be all of the game, They are used as tools to get to an ultimate goal but are not the rulers of a battlefield which at this time vehicles are in Dust which doesn't bring fun FPS gameplay.

CoD does have vehicles they are just in form of killstreaks and not readily available anytime you want them. And the majority of FPS's don't allow for vehicles to be used. And when they are they aren't the end all be all of the game, They are used as tools to get to an ultimate goal but are not the rulers of a battlefield which at this time vehicles are in Dust which doesn't bring fun FPS gameplay.

You're wrong in your assumptions.
If you're not enjoying yourself now, that's alright. We're at a phase of the beta where vehicle spam is the goal. There is a reason every single noob can get on the battlefield with a tank. The devs are testing vehicle balances.
Later on two things will happen. The first is that vehicles will go back to being what they're supposed to be. A support element for the team and not a personal giant cannon.
The second thing that'll happen is that the entire Dust world in general and the maps in particular will get much much larger. In maps of that large scale you can't really cry "Enough with the vehicles, they are ruining the game!" because they are not. They are a part of the military engagement and will slowly fall into their rightful roles in the battlefield as commanders learn to unilize them properly.

So this is a true FPS. It's just truer than most people realise a FPS is supposed to be - a full blown military simulator.

You're wrong in your assumptions.
If you're not enjoying yourself now, that's alright. We're at a phase of the beta where vehicle spam is the goal. There is a reason every single noob can get on the battlefield with a tank. The devs are testing vehicle balances.
Later on two things will happen. The first is that vehicles will go back to being what they're supposed to be. A support element for the team and not a personal giant cannon.
The second thing that'll happen is that the entire Dust world in general and the maps in particular will get much much larger. In maps of that large scale you can't really cry "Enough with the vehicles, they are ruining the game!" because they are not. They are a part of the military engagement and will slowly fall into their rightful roles in the battlefield as commanders learn to unilize them properly.

So this is a true FPS. It's just truer than most people realise a FPS is supposed to be - a full blown military simulator.

CoD does have vehicles they are just in form of killstreaks and not readily available anytime you want them. And the majority of FPS's don't allow for vehicles to be used. And when they are they aren't the end all be all of the game, They are used as tools to get to an ultimate goal but are not the rulers of a battlefield which at this time vehicles are in Dust which doesn't bring fun FPS gameplay.

Kill streaks in CoD are not "Vehicle Warfare". They are... a game wrecking mechanism in my opinion. Kill streaks promote giving players an unfair advantage. If you are good, then you can win a FFA Deathmatch no problem. But if you aren't the best player in the game, and you just happen to be avoiding the best player, you may rack up enough kills for that chopper gunner. Now, you get to spam the map with an insta-kill for 30 seconds, and that player that was going to beat you, now has no chance because you just knocked your score up by 15 kills in 30 seconds. Suddenly, that game has been ruined for everyone that actually out classes you.

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And how is that different then Dust? Someone has better gun game than you so you spawn in a high powered tank and blow them up.

I guess it's the fact that you have no limit on movement or how long you have that tank or dropship for in Dust that makes the infinite tanks in Dust less game breaking? Not sure how that makes sense but that's all I can think of.

Grit Breather, always coming in with a sound mind on my threads :) Why is it that so few of the people in this beta can wrap their minds around what Dust is right now, and what it is supposed to be 6 months to a year down the line?

Lol. El... Oh.... El... You can spawn free vehicles right now because they are stress testing vehicle warfare. That isn't going to be a part of the final game. It isn't even a game breaking mechanism. Somebody spawns a militia tank, gets somebody in the rocket turret. *BAM* I'm dead, 15,000 ISK Assault suit down the drain... So, I spawn with a forge gun. *BOOM* Vehicle damage +25. *BOOM* Vehicle Destruction +100, Kill +50, Kill +50. I think that should cover my assault suit. If anything, you should be happy people can spawn infinite vehicles right now, stock up on those 100,000 SP vehicle killing games while you can.

And how is that different then Dust? Someone has better gun game than you so you spawn in a high powered tank and blow them up.

I guess it's the fact that you have no limit on movement or how long you have that tank or dropship for in Dust that makes the infinite tanks in Dust less game breaking? Not sure how that makes sense but that's all I can think of.

Your wrong and you have no idea what your talking about.

You're saying that because you're a Call of Duty player(not sure if fanboy though)