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Basically what they are saying when they say it's not a true fps is really "it's not a CoD clone" or "It's not an Arcade Shooter". Which IMO is great because those types of shooters are terrible. Flashy....but terrible.

@Veigar,

You missed a memo.

You have to substitute "MAG 2.0" for "True FPS" and you'll pretty much see the true complaint that lot have.

Same people, same complaints.

Your wrong and you have no idea what your talking about.

He made a statement about what people are looking for not an opinion. And the statement he made is wrong.

People aren't looking for another CoD like game, the only people I see bringing up CoD in the first place are people trying to defend Dust in it's lack of decent fundamentals that should be implemented in all FPS's. CoD isn't the first FPS out there but it got popular because it does the fundamentals and it does them really well.

The guy clearly doesn't understand FPS's if he automatically associates every compliant with CoD even when nobody has mentioned CoD. He made a statement and he clearly doesn't understand what people are talking about and thus he is wrong.

You're wrong in your assumptions.
If you're not enjoying yourself now, that's alright. We're at a phase of the beta where vehicle spam is the goal. There is a reason every single noob can get on the battlefield with a tank. The devs are testing vehicle balances.
Later on two things will happen. The first is that vehicles will go back to being what they're supposed to be. A support element for the team and not a personal giant cannon.
The second thing that'll happen is that the entire Dust world in general and the maps in particular will get much much larger. In maps of that large scale you can't really cry "Enough with the vehicles, they are ruining the game!" because they are not. They are a part of the military engagement and will slowly fall into their rightful roles in the battlefield as commanders learn to unilize them properly.

So this is a true FPS. It's just truer than most people realise a FPS is supposed to be - a full blown military simulator.

CoD does have vehicles they are just in form of killstreaks and not readily available anytime you want them. And the majority of FPS's don't allow for vehicles to be used. And when they are they aren't the end all be all of the game, They are used as tools to get to an ultimate goal but are not the rulers of a battlefield which at this time vehicles are in Dust which doesn't bring fun FPS gameplay.

And how is that different then Dust? Someone has better gun game than you so you spawn in a high powered tank and blow them up.

I guess it's the fact that you have no limit on movement or how long you have that tank or dropship for in Dust that makes the infinite tanks in Dust less game breaking? Not sure how that makes sense but that's all I can think of.

Did I say free tank or high powered tank? You should actually read the post before you respond. And your basically saying you don't like killstreaks just because they are in CoD. Vehicles in Dust and kilstreaks in CoD are pretty much the same thing whether you want to admit it or not. If someone gets a klllstreak in CoD you can blow that up too just like it Dust and you even get points for it in both games.

I don't even care about that fact that there are vehicles in Dust it's just that yous are making terrible arguments that don't make any sense and just reek of hypocrisy.

And why not?

DUST fits the definition of FPS in the strict sense of what FPS means.

It's not a TYPICAL game in the genre though, which throws some people off. Also, it's a beta, so many elements aren't as polished as in most current-gen FPS games. As a result of these problems (and the current builds (probably deliberate) heavy focus on vehicles, people are complaining.

+1 to OP for a well-thought-out thread topic. I've posted similar as side-comments in a few threads.

I go even further when I usually explain these things.
Dust isn't anything that's ever existed and you can't compare it to anything. Dust is a vision of a future game concept that hasn't been possible before partly due to technology. The biggest problem with this type of game is that most gaming companies put up the question "Cool idea. Now how do I profit off of it?".
The answer usually has a resounding "You can't" which is followed by "OK, so let's make another clone of a game that'll only last a year and will be like all the others". When that's not the answer, it usually breaks up into two.
The first option would be to do what Blizzard did with WoW. They actually make you pay for MANDATORY updates to the game. What they do is basically say you have to pay up or you won't be able to play anymore even though you've already paid so much so far.
The second option is what CCP does with EVE. They have a subscription fee. While this is usually the least prefered gaming method nowadays, somehow EVE made it. I give CCP a whole lot of credit for this. In an age where everyone expects everything to be free, they manage to get people to pay 15$ a month. Some for almost 10 years straight.
So what's Dust? Dust is CCP's latest addition to EVE. Dust if free to play because it promotes EVE.
Sure, you can have a very long and successful carreer in Dust without ever touching EVE but it's my guess a lot of players will want to explore the "bigger picture". It has a very strong pull.
So what else is Dust? It's a vision of an amazing game which has never been tried before. It's a FPS where what I do ACTUALLY MATTERS. If I destroy a large installation, it won't be there again unless someone pays for it again. If I shoot up into the skies I destroy a very expensive ship in EVE and make myself a lifelong enemy.
Dust matters. CoD doesn't matter. BF doesn't matter. MAG doesn't matter.
Dust is the only game where I can actually make my mark and not just grade myself as a solo player.

You want to be solo? Dust probably isn't for you even though it WILL provide some solo PVE missions. But those get old fast and don't pay enough for the really cool gear.

wow.. I could not find a single comment on Kz3 :D

It's Warzone and Operations take's alot planning and tactical leadership when matches done with proper clan :)

Former Kz players will do some damage in future Dust battlefields

Dust is fun.. hope communication would work better tho..

Great a post QQ'ing about the QQ! In BF3 the vehicles can actually be whats that word umm... DESTROYED! You don't need everyone and there grandma to destroy one tank that by the time you get it down it drives away and "SELF HEALS" where in the BF series you need a guy with a "REPAIR KIT" to do that. The problem with RE's is they don't have a charge time.

Secondly to you and the other people assuming that we want another COD or that the majority of us come from COD is stupid. I personally hate the COD franchise never liked it at all even the WWII shooters they kept throwing onto the market. The problem with vehicles in Dust unlike BF hell even the Planetside series is they self heal and take to much work to take them down. I don't see the tanks here in this game, beta whatever you want to call it with a weak spot to it's back.

Also when people say it's not a true FPS they mean it's an FPS that's determined by not who is the most skilled but who has the most skills. This was advertised as a hardcore shooter and it's not turning out to be that way. Hardcore shooters are dependent upon who is the most skilled. Why does someone with a Creo need an extra 20% damage buff? I honestly feel like CCP just threw in skills for the hell of throwing in skills.

Vehicle skills, repair skills, assets, lots of things that aren't in "pure" FPS games. There are SO many mag players who were repair/medic/AV, I can't wait to see grouping in action.

@Larheon
AWP was just a typo. They misspelled WIN.

I read the first 7 sentences and stopped, because I already think you're an idiot.


DUST isn't a shooter. It's playtime = dominance and that's MMO gayshit.

And I have 4.1mil and have lost count of how many times I've helped my team take down a Sagaris while I'm only using Militia gear. I've landed the finishing blow on several Suryas with a Militia SL, and have soloed multiple Madrugars and other low-tier HAVs. With LAVs and dropships, I can even take on the Proto models solo with all-Militia fits and have a reasonable expectation for success.

When I'm using GOOD gear (a rarity), I can do a LOT of damage... or a lot of healing, depending on which loadout I'm using.

I definitely feel like I'm at a distadvantage using only my Militia fittings, but the point is that, while I'm not as capable without the good gear, I'm still USEFUL.

The "go Proto or go home" applies when players are of even skill. It doesn't matter too much. My Proto assault suits can't outrun Dropship missiles or Sagaris railguns or go toe to toe with Proto heavies. The rock paper scissors thing applies, but if 2 assault guys fight, my money is on the prototype dude beating a militia chap.

If we edit out the posts by people who are trying to be coherent, this actually looks like it makes more sense...

Apart from the fact that it's now an argument between one person. I think you may need help...

It's not a problem that you can't kill the Proto heavy. It's the fact a militia heavy with stacked SP will have the same outcome.
GEAR IS NOT THE PROBLEM IMHO
I've said as much in countless threads.
Just for you though:
A militia assault rifle with 30% damage from lvl 5 weaponry and Assault proficiency skills does more damage than a protoype one WITHOUT these skills. The gear is really well balanced. Giving someone 1/3 more damage because they play 24/7 is not a good idea. I only mention the prototype item to show that it's skills and not Proto gear that matter most. I have 2 solutions:
1.) Decrease the passive bonus.
2.) increase starting SP for new characters.
I'm not too fussed. If they keep it as it is, I'll take a week off, get my self sorted. And why not :)

Some of us aren't complaining, lol. Just stating the obvious, that there is inherent imbalance. It's the nature of the beast, with a game trying to be both MMO and FPS.

It is very visible in the beta, because the imbalance snowballs. Experienced players use guns that do more damage and have better accuracy, AND on top of that, have the SP to buff the weapon damage. Then they have armor which gives them more base shields and armor(albeit, not that much) BUT, the big thing is they get more slots to add modules for their shields etc. Then on top of that, they have skills that add even more shields and armor, AND regen their shields and armor faster.

Again, I'm not complaining...just stating reality for those that say that a newbie in militia gear can take down an experienced player in proto gear. While technically true, 95% of the time it WON'T happen, unless the newb's personal skill level at FPS is MUCH higher than the experienced player's.

I don't know what the hell you are talking about.

I said this game will fail because it'll be whoever grinds the most, wins the most. You then tell me something completely random.