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Posted - 2012.07.24 21:45:00 -
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Septem Mortuus wrote:@Veigar,
You missed a memo.
You have to substitute "MAG 2.0" for "True FPS" and you'll pretty much see the true complaint that lot have.
Same people, same complaints.
Wrong ....
MAG had vehicles |
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Posted - 2012.07.24 22:03:00 -
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Im going to do very well in this game if people think in a linear fashion like other FPS games that once you unlock the gear your supposed to be god....lol.Gonna be alotta broke people. |
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Posted - 2012.07.25 00:10:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Tony Calif wrote:EVICER wrote:Septem Mortuus wrote:@Veigar,
You missed a memo.
You have to substitute "MAG 2.0" for "True FPS" and you'll pretty much see the true complaint that lot have.
Same people, same complaints.
Wrong .... MAG had vehicles Vehicle skills, repair skills, assets, lots of things that aren't in "pure" FPS games. There are SO many mag players who were repair/medic/AV, I can't wait to see grouping in action. @Larheon AWP was just a typo. They misspelled WIN. What the hell is your definition of a "pure" FPS game? MAG was the "purest" FPS we had til Dust came around (albeit Dust is incomplete and the bigger features aren't there). MAG was a military simulator, doesn't get more pure than that if you ask me.
I said wrong because I thought you were trying to lump MAG players in the same bracket as Cod players and that we couldnt understand how to play with or against vehicles.....you just had to read the context of the post before yours..But me as a Mag vet no..vehicles do not scare me.Im a strategist breaking thru a fort wall with a mini gun turret on the top an having to plant charges on it didnt stop me. A tank sure as hell isnt...
I am sick of people complaining that the tanks and dropships are OP just because there pee brains cant wrap around the idea that real war is 3 dimensional not 2 dimensional.Fact is is there ******* lazy .They just want to build up weapon gear and movement skills.They dont want to cross class . Basically there 1 dimensional .
They dont care about other skills,or spend 7 years to do it.That fine. In 4 years when I own my own district(S) and my MCC is in the sky above them.Ill need simple minded tools like these......It takes all different kinds....and they are reflex button monkeys not stratagist. They dont want to make a tank killer fit. Dont want to play support....they all think there gods gift to the fps genre till people like me shut them down.Theyll lose game after game but go "yeah I killed 30 mtha frs". PPFFTT Ya scrub, noob, random, no clans, 12 year olds .Feel better about themselves and be put on youtube when the real fools hit the field or run off rage quitting to save face...LOL give me a break. |
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Posted - 2012.07.25 00:40:00 -
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Regis Mark V wrote:Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:I have been seeing complaints recently, about Dust 514 not being a "True FPS". Let me define the acronym - First Person Shooter.
Now lets elaborate. What does first person mean? Well quite simply, your viewpoint is through your characters eyes. In Dust 514 your viewpoint is exactly this. First person - proven.
And to those of you who don't know what "shooter" means in relation to video games, it would be a game in which you shoot things. Be it a top-down shooter, a Third Person Shooter (TPS) or, in the case of Dust 514, a First Person Shooter.
Dust has all of the things that define what a first person shooter is, so how in the hell is it not a "True FPS"? I am sick of this "QQ to much vehicle warfare, I can't take it. Dust isn't a true FPS" or "QQ people are using remote explosives as grenades, I hate it. Dust isn't a true FPS". I have a question for you people, have you ever, possibly, just maybe, played anything in the Battlefield franchise? What are those big, armored vessels that people tend to blow each other up with? Or what about those things with the big spinning blades that people fly around in? Or the things with jet engines on the back? What are those little packets that people through on the ground and then trigger as you step over them, causing you to die oh-so-horribly? There is a game called PlanetSide, vehicles are a big part of that one too. How else are you going to travel around the continents? I'm sure you don't want to do it on foot.
My point is that vehicle warfare is not new in Dust 514, it does not take away from the experience. Throwing remote explosives around as grenades is not new in Dust 514, may it be a little bit over done, it is not new. In fact, can't you even do that in CoD? I know there are players coming from that crowd. It isn't a problem of method in Dust, it is however a problem of to much inventory. If you equip grenades, you get 3. I've read that Logi's can equip 15 RE's. That is pretty serious overkill.
Anyway, I'm done ranting. All this QQ'ing is just pissing me off, especially with this ******** statement being thrown around.
Edit: I am aware of why people are saying this, I'm just really bothered by the ignorance of the community that has gathered in this beta. Great a post QQ'ing about the QQ! In BF3 the vehicles can actually be whats that word umm... DESTROYED! You don't need everyone and there grandma to destroy one tank that by the time you get it down it drives away and "SELF HEALS" where in the BF series you need a guy with a "REPAIR KIT" to do that. The problem with RE's is they don't have a charge time. Secondly to you and the other people assuming that we want another COD or that the majority of us come from COD is stupid. I personally hate the COD franchise never liked it at all even the WWII shooters they kept throwing onto the market. The problem with vehicles in Dust unlike BF hell even the Planetside series is they self heal and take to much work to take them down. I don't see the tanks here in this game, beta whatever you want to call it with a weak spot to it's back. Also when people say it's not a true FPS they mean it's an FPS that's determined by not who is the most skilled but who has the most skills. This was advertised as a hardcore shooter and it's not turning out to be that way. Hardcore shooters are dependent upon who is the most skilled. Why does someone with a Creo need an extra 20% damage buff? I honestly feel like CCP just threw in skills for the hell of throwing in skills.
Im sorry Regis but if you mean skills as in lag switchers,controller moders,hacks,glitches,aimbots.Then yeah I guess those people are gonna be a little butt sore that they aren't kickin everyone's ass when the out comes are determined by mathematical algorythims and adjustable statistical values.Adjustable by the player, to do what "they" want too.If that guys armor /defense beats your gun/attack.
Seems to me that people dont like it cuz when they see a character it can be different every time.He could have armor on ,shield re-gens,you just dont know.....its a different scenario every time.That scout just whooped me with an SMG.wtf?You just dont know...That pisses them off...that its not ez.
PS Ive been waiting for this game for 3 years I have yet to find any interview where any CCP advertised this as a hardcore shooter.They in fact said this is an MMOFPSRPG. |
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Posted - 2012.07.25 22:22:00 -
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Anyone from MAG that says that this(DUST) isnt a true FPS did not play Domination and therefore there opinion means little.With off map support squad lead/mortars/sensor shell platoon lead/strafing run/gas munitions....?
There just whining Sabo players and want to say that MAG was a true fps with 3 ...yes 3 Sabo maps....all other game modes on that game had vehicles..ALL of them except Sabo.I loved MAG and I was damn good at it. Over 70,000 kills on 2 accounts.This one had 500 hrs played and I platinumed 100% the game .So please...please tell me Idkwtf Im talking about.
Fighting over contracts that gave you faster regens on those ABILITIES!!!!3 different armor types...same.Rpg's/swarms.Sigaus turret/bunker turret.every where I look there is the same stuff....This game will be better...and much much larger.Keep on buying meaningless sequels(map packs/expansion) taughted as a new game.What FPS isnt going in this direction?big maps vehicles....I mean if you are not doing this then your game is gonna suck plain and simple..and if you mean that Dust doesnt suck because YOU'RE simple. Then yeah we agree on that.
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Posted - 2012.07.31 23:12:00 -
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MUDMASTEI2 wrote:Bones1182 wrote:MUDMASTEI2 wrote:Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:MUDMASTEI2 wrote:I read the first 7 sentences and stopped, because I already think you're an idiot.
DUST isn't a shooter. It's playtime = dominance and that's MMO gayshit. lol. I have 3.5m SP total, and it's spread over CQC, AR, and AV skills. I only have 2 advanced items in my inventory. I consistently beat players with upwards of 10m SP with full protosuits. Playtime does not equal winning, player skill does. You just aren't using the tools you are provided properly. You're trying to tell me that playtime = dominance? . . . Really? This place hit a new low with this post. First you have contradicted yourself. I am guessing it was an oversight and you meant to say that you are trying to tell me that playtime does not equal dominance. Second perhaps you have misunderstood the repeated definitions of MMO. Massively Multiplayer Online. Try to be clear in your words as some of them mean something besides what you think. Third if you don't like it don't play it bye bye have fun now. Yes. It's more MMO than shooter. MMO's reward playtime with more powerful weapons, while FPS games do that to an extent, there's a stopping point. Not in DUST, DUST is a game where the guy with 1 hour get wrecked by the guy with 100, and the guy with 100 gets wrecked by the guy with 1,000, etc. That's stupid. I don't play it, it had a chance, but then again I overlooked that CCP is an MMO designer, not a FPS, so they're clueless at making a good shooter.
and most shooters have a limited career path.With way less diversification.Most shooters you're just a ground pounder...not a CEO of RAVEN/Valor/Sver.... whats your point. |
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Posted - 2012.07.31 23:26:00 -
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No prblem |
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