Did I say free tank or high powered tank? You should actually read the post before you respond. And your basically saying you don't like killstreaks just because they are in CoD. Vehicles in Dust and kilstreaks in CoD are pretty much the same thing whether you want to admit it or not. If someone gets a klllstreak in CoD you can blow that up too just like it Dust and you even get points for it in both games.

I don't even care about that fact that there are vehicles in Dust it's just that yous are making terrible arguments that don't make any sense and just reek of hypocrisy.

CoD does have vehicles they are just in form of killstreaks and not readily available anytime you want them. And the majority of FPS's don't allow for vehicles to be used. And when they are they aren't the end all be all of the game, They are used as tools to get to an ultimate goal but are not the rulers of a battlefield which at this time vehicles are in Dust which doesn't bring fun FPS gameplay.

I don't play CoD but good try though.

And why not?

I wonder the same thing. It's a problem I usually have in life in general, I see the big picture too easily and have to constantly defend it.

DUST fits the definition of FPS in the strict sense of what FPS means.

It's not a TYPICAL game in the genre though, which throws some people off. Also, it's a beta, so many elements aren't as polished as in most current-gen FPS games. As a result of these problems (and the current builds (probably deliberate) heavy focus on vehicles, people are complaining.

+1 to OP for a well-thought-out thread topic. I've posted similar as side-comments in a few threads.

DUST fits the definition of FPS in the strict sense of what FPS means.

It's not a TYPICAL game in the genre though, which throws some people off. Also, it's a beta, so many elements aren't as polished as in most current-gen FPS games. As a result of these problems (and the current builds (probably deliberate) heavy focus on vehicles, people are complaining.

+1 to OP for a well-thought-out thread topic. I've posted similar as side-comments in a few threads.

I go even further when I usually explain these things.
Dust isn't anything that's ever existed and you can't compare it to anything. Dust is a vision of a future game concept that hasn't been possible before partly due to technology. The biggest problem with this type of game is that most gaming companies put up the question "Cool idea. Now how do I profit off of it?".
The answer usually has a resounding "You can't" which is followed by "OK, so let's make another clone of a game that'll only last a year and will be like all the others". When that's not the answer, it usually breaks up into two.
The first option would be to do what Blizzard did with WoW. They actually make you pay for MANDATORY updates to the game. What they do is basically say you have to pay up or you won't be able to play anymore even though you've already paid so much so far.
The second option is what CCP does with EVE. They have a subscription fee. While this is usually the least prefered gaming method nowadays, somehow EVE made it. I give CCP a whole lot of credit for this. In an age where everyone expects everything to be free, they manage to get people to pay 15$ a month. Some for almost 10 years straight.
So what's Dust? Dust is CCP's latest addition to EVE. Dust if free to play because it promotes EVE.
Sure, you can have a very long and successful carreer in Dust without ever touching EVE but it's my guess a lot of players will want to explore the "bigger picture". It has a very strong pull.
So what else is Dust? It's a vision of an amazing game which has never been tried before. It's a FPS where what I do ACTUALLY MATTERS. If I destroy a large installation, it won't be there again unless someone pays for it again. If I shoot up into the skies I destroy a very expensive ship in EVE and make myself a lifelong enemy.
Dust matters. CoD doesn't matter. BF doesn't matter. MAG doesn't matter.
Dust is the only game where I can actually make my mark and not just grade myself as a solo player.

You want to be solo? Dust probably isn't for you even though it WILL provide some solo PVE missions. But those get old fast and don't pay enough for the really cool gear.

wow.. I could not find a single comment on Kz3 :D

It's Warzone and Operations take's alot planning and tactical leadership when matches done with proper clan :)

Former Kz players will do some damage in future Dust battlefields

Dust is fun.. hope communication would work better tho..

I have been seeing complaints recently, about Dust 514 not being a "True FPS". Let me define the acronym - First Person Shooter.

Now lets elaborate. What does first person mean? Well quite simply, your viewpoint is through your characters eyes. In Dust 514 your viewpoint is exactly this. First person - proven.

And to those of you who don't know what "shooter" means in relation to video games, it would be a game in which you shoot things. Be it a top-down shooter, a Third Person Shooter (TPS) or, in the case of Dust 514, a First Person Shooter.

Dust has all of the things that define what a first person shooter is, so how in the hell is it not a "True FPS"? I am sick of this "QQ to much vehicle warfare, I can't take it. Dust isn't a true FPS" or "QQ people are using remote explosives as grenades, I hate it. Dust isn't a true FPS". I have a question for you people, have you ever, possibly, just maybe, played anything in the Battlefield franchise? What are those big, armored vessels that people tend to blow each other up with? Or what about those things with the big spinning blades that people fly around in? Or the things with jet engines on the back? What are those little packets that people through on the ground and then trigger as you step over them, causing you to die oh-so-horribly? There is a game called PlanetSide, vehicles are a big part of that one too. How else are you going to travel around the continents? I'm sure you don't want to do it on foot.

My point is that vehicle warfare is not new in Dust 514, it does not take away from the experience. Throwing remote explosives around as grenades is not new in Dust 514, may it be a little bit over done, it is not new. In fact, can't you even do that in CoD? I know there are players coming from that crowd. It isn't a problem of method in Dust, it is however a problem of to much inventory. If you equip grenades, you get 3. I've read that Logi's can equip 15 RE's. That is pretty serious overkill.

Anyway, I'm done ranting. All this QQ'ing is just pissing me off, especially with this ******** statement being thrown around.

Edit: I am aware of why people are saying this, I'm just really bothered by the ignorance of the community that has gathered in this beta.

Great a post QQ'ing about the QQ! In BF3 the vehicles can actually be whats that word umm... DESTROYED! You don't need everyone and there grandma to destroy one tank that by the time you get it down it drives away and "SELF HEALS" where in the BF series you need a guy with a "REPAIR KIT" to do that. The problem with RE's is they don't have a charge time.

Secondly to you and the other people assuming that we want another COD or that the majority of us come from COD is stupid. I personally hate the COD franchise never liked it at all even the WWII shooters they kept throwing onto the market. The problem with vehicles in Dust unlike BF hell even the Planetside series is they self heal and take to much work to take them down. I don't see the tanks here in this game, beta whatever you want to call it with a weak spot to it's back.

Also when people say it's not a true FPS they mean it's an FPS that's determined by not who is the most skilled but who has the most skills. This was advertised as a hardcore shooter and it's not turning out to be that way. Hardcore shooters are dependent upon who is the most skilled. Why does someone with a Creo need an extra 20% damage buff? I honestly feel like CCP just threw in skills for the hell of throwing in skills.

And I feel some people want the game to be garbage. I DO want another CoD. But I'm going to get that anyway. I want Dust to be different I agree, but it's the fact what we have now, you can take your tactics and your strategy an stuff ten in your blowhole. Dust is ALL about KDR. Tactics and strategies don't matter when the killers turn up.
***look at all the useless snipers thinkin they're playing Counterstrike and not quake***

Btw MAG is on 2.12. MAG 2 was released as a patch, people just didn't realise. They still don't.

I don't like seeing you on the forums, you don't ever have much to say.

Yeah it's making assumptions. Assumptions like the basic speed-health-damage mix is much closer to Quake or Unreal than any tactical shooter. The reasons are obvious. In CS you just didn't go into the open. Rather similar to CoD or BF when they are played seriously (clan battles, NOT pubs).
Unreal you just dance about and railgun face. Which sounds like our current gameplay, and which involves more tactics/strategy? I'm not saying it's a bad thing in itself. Just got no interest in playing what essentially on a clan war will be a pub game of CoD domination with vehicles.
I'm undecided atleast until next build. CCP have improved things, remember the black screens at the start of this build? All the loadouts being "invalid"? But they don't fix the spawns... priorities are all wrong ;)

Actually, strategy and tactics are limited to off the battlefield IMHO.

I have been seeing complaints recently, about Dust 514 not being a "True FPS". Let me define the acronym - First Person Shooter.

Now lets elaborate. What does first person mean? Well quite simply, your viewpoint is through your characters eyes. In Dust 514 your viewpoint is exactly this. First person - proven.

And to those of you who don't know what "shooter" means in relation to video games, it would be a game in which you shoot things. Be it a top-down shooter, a Third Person Shooter (TPS) or, in the case of Dust 514, a First Person Shooter.

Dust has all of the things that define what a first person shooter is, so how in the hell is it not a "True FPS"? I am sick of this "QQ to much vehicle warfare, I can't take it. Dust isn't a true FPS" or "QQ people are using remote explosives as grenades, I hate it. Dust isn't a true FPS". I have a question for you people, have you ever, possibly, just maybe, played anything in the Battlefield franchise? What are those big, armored vessels that people tend to blow each other up with? Or what about those things with the big spinning blades that people fly around in? Or the things with jet engines on the back? What are those little packets that people through on the ground and then trigger as you step over them, causing you to die oh-so-horribly? There is a game called PlanetSide, vehicles are a big part of that one too. How else are you going to travel around the continents? I'm sure you don't want to do it on foot.

My point is that vehicle warfare is not new in Dust 514, it does not take away from the experience. Throwing remote explosives around as grenades is not new in Dust 514, may it be a little bit over done, it is not new. In fact, can't you even do that in CoD? I know there are players coming from that crowd. It isn't a problem of method in Dust, it is however a problem of to much inventory. If you equip grenades, you get 3. I've read that Logi's can equip 15 RE's. That is pretty serious overkill.

Anyway, I'm done ranting. All this QQ'ing is just pissing me off, especially with this ******** statement being thrown around.

Edit: I am aware of why people are saying this, I'm just really bothered by the ignorance of the community that has gathered in this beta.

Actually, strategy and tactics are limited to off the battlefield IMHO.

wow.. I could not find a single comment on Kz3 :D

It's Warzone and Operations take's alot planning and tactical leadership when matches done with proper clan :)

Former Kz players will do some damage in future Dust battlefields

Dust is fun.. hope communication would work better tho..