I know I'm an ******* most of the time but even though I don't know any of you guys here personally, I'm really grateful for you all. Especially pillars like Pokey standing through our darkest hour, I come down hard and unreasonably sometimes but I'm glad you're around. I didn't spend much time there but my time with OSG was the best I've ever had in a group setting in a game before. Awesome group of people.

Damn I miss those days.

... the game that literally helped me through the hardest part of my life is just...gone.

I know I'm an ******* most of the time but even though I don't know any of you guys here personally, I'm really grateful for you all. Especially pillars like Pokey standing through our darkest hour, I come down hard and unreasonably sometimes but I'm glad you're around. I didn't spend much time there but my time with OSG was the best I've ever had in a group setting in a game before. Awesome group of people.

Damn I miss those days.

Why not have combined resource for introductory Civ/T1 for the noobs and then progress into the separate CPU/PG as you git gud in the T2/T3 gear? Becomes more competitive over time.

Here is an example of how both Power Core and CPU/PG can both be used:
- Civ/T1 suits have Energy Units (EU).
- T2/T3 suits have CPU/PG
Basically, EU is a simplified CPU/PG system where CPU/PG is added together (shown below with fudged numbers).
- Civ Assault: 90 EU (= 45 CPU + 45 PG)
- T1 Assault: 100 EU (= 50 CPU + 50 PG)
- T2 Assault: 80 CPU/40 PG (= 120 EU)
- T3 Assault: 90 CPU/50 PG (= 140 EU)
This can be explained via lore by saying EU is a simpler power system but is limited where the CPU/PG system is needed for higher power and more advanced suits.

I think things like Armour Plate should give a percentage increase in health rather than a fixed value.

1) Stacking penalties applied to anything with a % increase, and did not apply to Armor because it was fixed value.

2) Brick Tanked Scouts competed with Assault suits because Armor gave the same fixed armor increase to a Scout suit as it did to a Heavy suit. With a % increase, the increase would be based on the original health of the suit, so it would be harder to tank the light fast suits and easier to tank the slow heavy suits.

But that isn't how Dust actually worked...

If you looked at the modules being used, and many of the guns being used, it was less about fitting, and more about what worked best. There was some fitting optimization, but little to none of it had to do with the PG/CPU dynamic, the caveat being that 90% of the time I used one type of suit, and considering it was a Scout M-1, I had a lot of optimizing to do.

I am by no means suggesting that the game be simplified as in your simple Tetris analogy. I simply think that creating those two fitting resources instead of having one is at this point arbitrary. I am open to well thought out reasons why the two are more than arbitrary, and how they can be used to provide depth. It is just that given my experience with Dust, there seemed less rhyme and reason as to how much an item cost, and what I could and couldn't fit given those costs. Some items seemed cheap compared to their benefits, while others cost too many resources and provided too little in return. Maybe their was some logic to it I couldn't grasp, but that is how I perceived it.

I agree with Varoth in that depth can be gained elsewhere.

I guess I need to know why we had fitting resources in the first place. Because Eve Online had them?

How far can we break away from Eve Online before the game no longer feels like an Eve game?

Do we trash fitting resources completely?

What if we just did loadouts?

Picking a class and suit would dictate what modules and weapons are available to for you to fit. You still can customize the suit, but only with whatever CCP says you can use for modules and weapons.

No need to track fitting costs, because you can fit anything to the suit that CCP allows you to select. Some items may be locked to specific classes, and some may be used on all classes.

Anything deemed too OP by CCP can simply be tuned by preventing certain combinations of modules weapons. Like No dual tanking because shield dropsuits wouldn't allow you to select armor plates on them (or maybe only certain plates)

and then we could get rid of pg/cpu completely.

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with shared equipment, heavy's will simply become more powerful. There is no reason to build such inequality into the foundation

Besides, they wouldn't have moved Rattati back to Iceland if they didn't want Nova to have an EVE feel to it.

So what actually makes the game tied to EVE other than the skin?

Not to say how we handle resources cements us in the universe but the seeminly suggested removal or simplification of the skill tree for basic class progression directly flies in the face of EVE. Lacking vehicles again technically doesnt remove us from the Universe, just seems odd that they can build empire sized ships in New Eden but just cant wrap their heads around standard vehicles. Go big or go home I suppose.

Given this lack of vehicles we can assume smaller maps so will Planetary Conquest even be a thing or will we be fighting over some random station? Since we will be on mostly small and interior maps (it seems) will there be any purpose for a more refined orbital system. Also woth thr removal of vehicles and thus AVcan we expect even turret installations to go away?

People say the team moving back home means the game will more EVE connected but all (what little) evidence seems to point in the other direction.

If I wanted the Devs to hold my hand and make fitting decisions for me I would go back to playing WOW.

Given this lack of vehicles we can assume smaller maps so will Planetary Conquest even be a thing or will we be fighting over some random station? Since we will be on mostly small and interior maps (it seems) will there be any purpose for a more refined orbital system. Also woth thr removal of vehicles and thus AVcan we expect even turret installations to go away?

People say the team moving back home means the game will more EVE connected but all (what little) evidence seems to point in the other direction.

Speculation is bad for my health :/

I shouldn't have even mentioned SC, its apples and oranges when you just consider the circumstances and scopes of the projects and what not. I guess it's just that I was one of those idiots who CCP truly sold back when they first pitched the game. I really did see the game expanding into the broader EVE universe, fighting on actual planets etc etc.

I know now that was entirely unreasonable of both myself to believe and them to pitch, but it is what it is. Life moves on. I really do feel like I need to keep apologizing to everyone because I don't mean to come off so abrasive on basically every topic about Nova, I'm just really worried I'll never get to go back to the DUST I fell so deeply in love with, despite it's many and glaring flaws.

Man I just want something I can sink my teeth into because with all these scraps of info it's just too easy for me to get caught up in my imagination. Thanks guys for staying level headed and keeping these conversations on track

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I disagree with your opinion. Complex Armour Plate is fix dimension name, there is logic behind it, it has it's size, width, length, thickness, it is material and you can touch it. Armour Plate giving a percentage increase rather then flat amount have same logic as it requires PG/CPU to be fitted in first place, same as all boosters did in Dust. If you put heavy armor plate on front of your car, it burn more fuel, it moves and accelerate slower it has lower suspension, same as in Dust with moving speed pennalytys, but armor plate itself do not requires any PG/CPU in the car, right? On the side note thats the thing with 'PG/CPU Defenders' in this topick, they defend it becasue they are used to it, they do not consider it to have any defects - so much in the subject of objective opinion of our forum members.

On perfect FPS game, as I imagine.
Players should have option to fit reinforce body armor by ataching Armor Plates to existing armor they have, rather then having option to fit as many 'free slots' you have on your layout UI, and so on:

- Biggest armor increess, should go to armor chest and back as one pice, because it covers larges pice of body, beside it can be easlly balance.
- Secoundlly legs, shorts.
- Third option left/right shoulder/s.. if you keep wepon on your left hand you want to have extra armor on left shoulder, but to balance weght you need to carry some heavy equipment on another shoulder ...and so on.

You can reinforce same body part a few times but not with the same thickness of matterial, it hase to me thinner layer each time.
And now imagine how scanning mechanic should work on game like that - it should not be 'a red dot on minimap' but body posture with spots that can be easlly penetrate by your weapon, so you can consider flanking your enemy and killing him faster by bypassing the reinforced plates that he installed on his suit...
But CCP will never, ever do a game with mechanics even close to that point.

Maybe I'm the only one that liked to read the flavor text, but...

Dropsuit armor was not just some metal bolted on omnidirectionally. It was reactive armor in a way that it dissipated the kinetic energy across a wider area. That's why taking a sniper round to the chest didn't just punch a hole even if you had enough HP to survive it. Running out of HP meant that the strength and structural integrity failed, causing the armor to "give out" and render the squishy clone inside fatally wounded. That's why armor plates costed CPU/PG at all, as it needed to be powered and programmed to "react" to harm.

You are describing resistance module from eve, and you call it armor plates.
Originally all plates that were in the close beta had eve names, like "Steel Plates" - just pice of metal, nothing more(I do not remember all of them) later one all names were changed.
If you gonne fit Polarized turret on you ship in eve, all your resistance drop to 0, and armor plates are exacly what they are, a layer of metal(buffer) that can be repaired with another module.