You missed the point.
I would <3LOVE<3 to run in:
- STD/MLT freebies
- ADV cost-efficient all-rounders
- PC gear with limited LP store weps and EQs
- Try out those officer suits (a week ago I actually fitted and ran my first ever officer suit run - that's a lot because I've had those Balac Ck.0s for two months shy of three years)



So the point is my PRO fittings fill up the roster (with now two cheaper narrow use APEXes). If I try to create another setup you suggested, upon hitting the first 'create new' I get the message "maximum fitting amount reached".
And yes, I do refuse to recreate my tuned fittings daily, and I refuse to spend 2mins in match rebuilding a higher/lower tier suit idle in the MCC.

So you're saying there are more new players joining Dust and staying with the game more so now than ever? I'm confused.

I know this isn't somehow a better solution, but if some players refuse to modify their behavior to bettfodderer the experience for everyone, then why should new players force themselves to stay in stomps? For the enjoyment of the stompers?

*Won't stop officer/proto pub stomps*
*Protests players leaving games*
*New players say it isn't fun*
*Vet tells them to git gud scrub*
*New player leaves game*

It's a strange sort of dichotomy running right now.

Obviously not in total cause the game is on a dying console but as a percentage I would say yes.

This game requires time invested for you to be any good but, when you get pissed and ragequit after two matches well.... you get the idea

Acquisition is a horrible game mode, along with Domination and Ambush.

All of them need a mercy mechanic, along with Skirmish. Give the other team the option to surrender.

When you see people redlining, its because they want to do something other than sit on their asses until the MCC timer ticks.

Well I thought it was more complex of an issue than " I won't delete or make room for any type of fit other than proto".

Some of us play PC on a regular basis and need all those fittings regularly.

If I'm not in a PC suit, I'm in an Apex. And I only have two apex suits to run, my Min Assault and Scout. Two slots is all I will devote to pubs.

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Well here's some numbers, you be the judge. Looks as if its dropped off and is continuing a steady decline.

http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust

I believe that graph would attest to the fact that the game is no a console that will stop receiving support sometime in the next year and the long term bugs/ balance issues that this game has experienced.

It speaks nothing about the NPE which has objectively gotten better in terms of how quickly a new player can earn enough skill points to compete at a reasonable level.



But nice try moving the goal post there.

Ok but why then would less players be joining and staying if the game is easier than ever for new players? I mean sure they can acquire more SP faster these days, but what if you literally can't take advantage of that due to gameplay issues?

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Player behavior is a funny thing. New players are told to "git gud" and vets are called losers for using proto. Vets aren't (not all, just the tryhard corps) willing to change their playstyle despite the impact on NPE. New players cannot just "git gud" and attain proto instantly. So in answer to stubborn vets, clutching on to proto for dear life, we will not participate in games with you. We may not be able to avoid it entirely. We can however leave games that will not net us any SP or hardly any isk.

Personally with the attitude of most "vets" I will now encourage noobs in leaving games. Between insults, being told to git gud or for new players to quit if they dont like it is just unacceptable. So I realized this is probably the most effective way to fight against proto stompers when you have low SP. They refuse to use any other kit except the best, then we'll simply refuse to fight them and find a new game.

Enjoy less kills, worse games, less isk and less SP. Meanwhile I don't mind leaving 2-3 games in a row where I'd only get 2-3 kills and hardly any isk or SP. As a new player it is far more worth your time to find a good game instead of playing against proto stacked squads.

Maybe with enough lopsided boring redlines these corps will realize what's up. Or the cries for matchmaking will become so deafening that meta locks or another tiericide option will be sooner explored.

What's worse to low SP players: leaving a couple games so as to have a great game, or playing 2-3 redline games where you hardly acquire SP and isk while burning through isk getting farmed? Even using a free fit doesn't somehow make those games worth the time.

I used to think not leaving was honorable or something, but after meeting some of the characters who are always stomping, its has nothing to do with honor or good sportsmanship in those games. It's just plain stupid and at our disadvantage to let them shoot us like fish in a barrel.

I think its funny the newberries complain so much about stopming. I still remember Nyain San /Chan Stomping Ambush all day everyday with full proto squads and Ion blaster tanks. but hey NPE is so much worse now right?

This Dust 514 doesn't compare to the old Dust 514. When somebody said git gud scrub, you could actually sit down, calculate your mistakes, hone your skills, and learn Dust warfare.

Now its a bunch of gamers who use the cheapest tactics while using forums to change metas for personal attempt at digital stardom. Like ChicagoCubs4Ever mutated; that guy sucked at other FPS games but somehow was a star here.

Oh and Guitar Hero is awesome!

That's funny. It's easy to talk sh*t about someone who led one of best corps in this game. He was also one of the best FC's hands down if not the best. It's a shame how he went about quitting dust.

I bet this guy's definition of "the cheapest tactics" boil down to "any tactics I don't personally use."

I did what you said and what I say is completely honest. It is most definitely harder to compete against other people who:

-have more skill than you
-have better gear than you
-simply just out number you

However, I am sill able to get very decent kill death ratios and I AM able to kill proto stompers. and again as mentioned before in this thread, all you need to do is abuse your positioning. I understand that the NPE is very bad. I was there and I hated it and it almost made me quit this game many years ago. Although once you start to realize that Dust 514 is more about positioning and tactical gameplay and not about suiciding into a wall of enemies, I believe that newer players will have a decent time against the Stronger opposition.

I understand what you are saying though. Leavaing battle does avoid the problem of proto stompers, although the more games you leave, the more oppurtunities you let go. I have learn through hardship, that a team of proto stompers is not something to run for but to challenge myself to take as many down as possible.

I just wish that newer players would take the time and just look ahead and not think aobut the SP and ISK. Yes you might lose your gear, yes you might rage and possibly quit, but new players will find a way to fight through this.

I came from the era of Gallente Logi's stacking armor, OP AR's and DMG mods. Newer players are coming into and era with soo much more at their disposal. They just need to find what strategy works for them and once again abuse it with good positioning.

I do like your thread though :) +1

@ Ghost

How do you explain the experinces of vets who make new characters?

Everything between the controller and chair is the same.

And yet, the experience is VASTLY different!

If the gear and the NPE were optimal, there would be a minimal reduction in efficacy, but that is not the case.

That should be a major hint to a man of science that something is wrong. When all else being equal, the same person on the same console with the same controller and internet connection can go from being relevant on a high SP toon to being utterly irrelevant on a new toon the reason can be NOTHING other than the current gap in high end item/SP vs low end item/SP.

@ Ghost

How do you explain the experinces of vets who make new characters?

Everything between the controller and chair is the same.

And yet, the experience is VASTLY different!

If the gear and the NPE were optimal, there would be a minimal reduction in efficacy, but that is not the case.

That should be a major hint to a man of science that something is wrong. When all else being equal, the same person on the same console with the same controller and internet connection can go from being relevant on a high SP toon to being utterly irrelevant on a new toon the reason can be NOTHING other than the current gap in high end item/SP vs low end item/SP.

That's funny. It's easy to talk sh*t about someone who led one of best corps in this game. He was also one of the best FC's hands down if not the best. It's a shame how he went about quitting dust.