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Posted - 2015.10.26 22:26:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:TheD1CK wrote:Are you really arguing that newbs do not have to fight mercs with 100mil SP?? yes in fact the data would probably say the average is lower than 100m, this means sweet f all to the point I was making. The point I am making is that you don't know the average SP of the Dust population. You literally have no way of knowing that number. I don't give a damn how many matches you play every day. Beyond that, yes, new players as of Warlords 1.2 have to contend with higher SP players in matches. This also works both ways though. They have teammates and redberries who are higher SP. The hives they step on now are probably more often adv and proto than launch day. I'm willing to bet they would provide suppression fire for teammates with more SP into weapons than folks had on launch day. You and OP act like every match it's new players in starter fittings vs. 16 battle hardened 100mil lifetime SP veterans in full officer gear. TheD1CK wrote:Separate issue, we need a tag for those that play the game opposed to those who play the forum. I also try to play daily, as my work schedule permits. Don't you worry. Me and the OP are not far from it on that. Most battles just need 1 vet w/100mil SP and thats enough to ruin it I got a bit ranty at your defence of the situation.. But you need to look at the reality, while all these bells have been added for NPE, the vets have gained equally. (more?) And we never had to deal with that crap when we started, sorry for the ranting.. but despite the SP I've earned I will always be a starter fit newb at heart (and in skill level)  so I tend to get defensive for my bro's. That and the misunderstanding was simple.. I should have wrote "The average battle has player(s) with upto 100mil SP, old vets never had to deal with that at the start" Either way, the mistake you made was reading a D1CK post word for word.. I have a code you know #NeverNotSh!tpost
1 vet with high SP ruins it for the 16 on the other side.
Yeah, you shouldn't be playing pvp games.
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Posted - 2015.10.27 11:09:00 -
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Shaun Iwairo wrote:ShamelessALT wrote:
If you think the old days were harder then now for new players, I wanna have whatever the hell you are smoking...
It's interesting that everyone saying things are easier now are completely ignoring just how many other new players they had the luxury of going up against when they were new too. Like, not a single one even acknowledges it. A couple of little improvements here and there doesn't mean squat when you're a new player being thrown to the wolf pack that is the current playerbase.
They are not little improvements, they are massive changes from when we started.
You think starting now is harder than when Imps could q sync pubs? You are wrong. A noob today has a much better chance going up against turd rock, or glory, or any of the pubstar corps than against q sync'd squads of actually good players.
Higher SP gains mean you are stuck in basic for a lot less time than the old system. Missions add even more SP on top. And of course, being able to triple stack boosters makes that initial progress even faster.
Gear changes matter as well. The vets come from a time when a basic suit had far fewer slots to go along with the gimped fitting. Now, you can take a basic gal logi and with a couple of fitting mods run all proto gear, an adv Weapon and a not horrible tank. On a dirt cheap suit.
There is no doubt that new bros still need help, but to attempt to forward your argument that it is worse today than it was is blatantly false. Stop it. Unless you want people to ignore you because of your refusal to accept facts and plug your ears until everyone comes around to your way of thinking, in which case carry on.
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Posted - 2015.10.27 19:26:00 -
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Expecting altruism out of people playing a pvp game is naive.
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Posted - 2015.10.30 00:40:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Kail Mako wrote:
At this point all we can do is willingly die for the newbros or mentor them. It's not up to us to change the NPE. It's up to CCP.
Sadly, the vibe I'm picking up appears to be: "If there are any problems with NPE, those problems should be blamed squarely on the newbros themselves. They must be doing it wrong. And tell 'em to quit complaining about it; pretty sure we had it harder back in the day.
PS: Please, CCP, can we get some penalties put into place to keep newbros from leaving battle when we farm them?"
Because you are trusting your obviously half baked instincts instead of actually reading.
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Posted - 2015.10.30 16:04:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:
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Why obfuscate what are simple issues? NPE needs work. It has needed work since Beta. Newbro ignorance does not need work. Newbro ignorance fixes itself automatically. Why commit Dev Resources to a problem that fixes itself? Turns out that newbro knowledge is impossible to measure, so one could always argue that newbros must need more of it. That's convenient. And it is precisely what we vets have always done. We attribute NPE issues to newbro ignorance, we assume that they must be doing it wrong, we blame them for letting us farm them, we tell ourselves that vet perks have nothing to do with abysmal newbro performance and retention rates, and we ardently object to any and every challenge to the status quo. To date, "blame the newbro" has not improved NPE, and it isn't ever going to improve NPE. If growing the playerbase is still an objective, I'd say it is due time we pursue options other than "blame the newbro". I'd say it's time we have a look at those vet perks. Not a popular idea among the vets? Surprise, surprise.
You clearly didn't even read what Z wrote.
You deserve a golf clapand a padded helmet.
You know Ghost started a thread calling for increased starting skills for new bros right?
Of course you didn't, because like Z pointed out, you take anything that isn't complete agreement as complete disagreement.
Congrats on not being helpful at all, keep it up.
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