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Posted - 2015.10.28 01:41:00 -
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This thread is entertaining.
"I experienced the glass to be half empty. To help the next guy, let's be aware of that because clearly my glass is full now."
"Well I experienced that glass half full, you dumb ****. My opinion is FACT, fuktard and if you disagree? well because **** YOU!"
In my OPINION (that's all any of you jackholes have, btw ...opinions), I don't see how a new player has it any easier starting out than we did. Any efficiencies added to weapons or suits have been applied across the board. The new player may have a better balance compared to the gear then, but that boost, relative to everyone else getting the same effect, only keeps the current playing field at the same level---as it was relatively the same back then.
But but but they have higher caps!!! And access to proto sooner! And and and APEX!!!
Sure, if the honest new player has any clue what any of that is, how to access it, or the wherewithal to survive the grind to earn the SP and ISK for it, ya maybe. And when I say grind, I don't mean the day-to-day chore of playing. I mean quite literally a meat grind, where the newb is the meat and the severe imbalance of proto/officer wearing players eagerly padding stats with those clearly of a lower class and experience level is the grinder. But all those factors have to play out for them to get to that place. Seeing K/d ratios at EOM screens can be quite ridiculous and discouraging.
My experience only included the grind against good squad communication and at times Q-sync, but that wasn't constant and was dealt with in time. There were no proto-stomps because we were all still racing to GET proto. Following the lead made by some of the posts I'm seeing, my opinion is fact because I say it so. What's good for the goose and all.... Take that how you like.
Regarding player retention due to a dying platform, eh.
This platform has been dying since November 15, 2013. I am not saying that that detail is not a factor in the lack of player stability, but you ARE saying that it is the only one---or at least that new player experience is not a factor. It is a silly, narrow-minded, and rather ignorant assumption to use that as a sole metric to player retention and growth. Good luck to life if things are that black and white for you.
Look. I'm of the mind that this game, and games like this, will only ever fill a niche market. That's good though, because 1) it's needed as there is a serious vacuum of complex (gear and skill progression) and pseudo unforgiving FPS shooters; and 2) the absolutely loyal fan/player base. Grind it because I did. Making it to that next level only makes the next level that much more gratifying. I promise. And I agree.
...to a point.
The problem is that core progression mechanics are faulty. Period. EvE is unforgiving, and I love it for it; however, (and this is something people tend to willfully overlook) in EvE, 1.0 security space prevents the wanna-be "proto" from ganking the newbie frigates. At least not without consequences. There is no fleet waiting to station-camp your introductory mission runs. Oh, and the fact that EvE even has introductory missions to ... idunno, teach the new player wtf does what, how skill progression works, various ways on how to earn ISK, and how the different tiers of SEC space work with warnings to the risk and dangers of that SEC space... is something sorely missing in DUST to help the new player experience and transition. Moving to 0.0 is a choice. The EvE capsuler is not simply born there left to die or uninstall.
But we don't have the player numbers to tier matches!!!!
Wow. That's sort of the point of posts like this. Do something to encourage an influx of new players AND KEEP THEM. Catch-22, that. hm?
But DUST is not EvE!!
No ****, Sherlock. And it's a far cry from, whimpering in the shadow of EvE. But DUST does have so much potential. Yet here we are: having players **** post sarcasm and territorial pissings at even the conversation of aiding NEW player retention---for whatever that solution may be. Go figure.
Bitter Vet Syndrome:
Enjoy your empire of ...dust. Maybe it's for the best there are no announcements for LEGION or a port.
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Still not sure how NPE became the topic. Of course that is a problem, but in the here-and-now it doesn't exist. Period. Pointing to it as justification for the skill discrepancies only goes so far, as if to say "Well, the real problem here is a lack of NPE training so because of that it's totally cool to stomp, tell the new players to gitgud and HTFU, and obliterate the potential player base that is needed to perpetuate this game. After all, it's not MY fault that NPE doesn't do its job!"
Yes, it's a game. Do wtfever you want and have fun doing it. Just don't pretend we, as veteran players of a game that honestly deserves so much more on so many levels (the game deserves, not the player), are without responsibility to the lack of player retention.
I'm not saying cater, but surely you do understand that running new players off only hurts the game in the long run. Do all new players give up? No. We wouldn't be here if that were true, but judging by the numbers I'd say that more leave than stay. That is not a good thing. EvE places the new capsuler into HISEC space as a buffer. DUST newbies are dropped direct into the suck. Stat pad if you want. Some will endure and find it refreshing to work the uphill battle. Power to them. We've all done it. But to pretend we're not part of the problem is willfully ignorant at best.
..just my 0.02ISK.
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Posted - 2015.10.30 18:30:00 -
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LOL, this thread! It's a damn trainwreck!
Everyone is arguing semantics, seemingly deliberately avoiding the topic to mince words and bicker for the sake of bickering rather than staying true to the spirit of the OP. It's mind-blowing. It's like half of you are in a freshman level Intro to PSYCH class, and you just reached the reference to logic all eager to show off your "knowledge" of this or that but all without actually getting it. It's on the same level as those kids happy to invalidate someone's post because of punctuation!
You're not an idiot, you can read between the lines, lol. Then again, the pettiness of some of these comments, perhaps I spoke too soon?
...for what it's worth.
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