Every single time, (barring the first) I have managed to come out with something close to 30 kills in my very first match.

(barring the first)

I... umm. Who do you think we are talking about when we say 'new players'? (not that I'm for this whole match-leaving idea, more just maybe not throwing new players into matches comprised of 90% well established players, or if we have to do that maybe not adding a 90% TTK disadvantage to them while they're trying to learn the game)

You totally and utterly failed to see the point of the post.......

The point is that when you're a new player you're going to have trouble, but you still need to stick it out so you can get better. If you're playing on a team, and you have at least a half-full roster you shouldn't leave. It's not fair to either side. I gave that little anecdote about going through The Academy six times to illustrate the difference between veterans and noobs no matter how much isk, or sp they have.

Edit: Also, I must admit that I'm not familiar with the term: TTK. Go figure, me being a "veteran" and all.

Name one veteran who had to start while the common merc had upto 100mil SP?

Or dealing with Officer gear being as common as it is now..

The whole "back in my day, we didn't have things handed to us like these kids today" is total BS...

Crappy as it is, you cannot deny the OP makes more sense than most of the replies to his post.

Stop crying....back in the day it was harder than it is now. Suits and gear cost more ISK, there were no APEX fits. You didn't have nearly as much hp as we do today and the weapons hit harder. Weaponry skill used to give 10% damage to all handheld weapons, damage mods used to do 10% damage, and all of the weapons used to put out more damage per bullet, much more.

You want to talk sp??? The weekly cap was 195K and you were only allowed one booster! Nowadays, weekly cap is 750K and you can stack triple passive and active boosters plus instant boosters for those really high wp matches! Ask a vet how long it used to take to get one racial proto suit. You can probably have a suit and a weapon fully decked out in a little over a week now.

The "vets" that the OP is talking about is pretty much you guys now. Most of the real vets have long been gone before they've ever hit anything near 100M sp.

If you think the old days were harder then now for new players, I wanna have whatever the hell you are smoking...

It's interesting that everyone saying things are easier now are completely ignoring just how many other new players they had the luxury of going up against when they were new too. Like, not a single one even acknowledges it. A couple of little improvements here and there doesn't mean squat when you're a new player being thrown to the wolf pack that is the current playerbase.

It's interesting that everyone saying things are easier now are completely ignoring just how many other new players they had the luxury of going up against when they were new too. Like, not a single one even acknowledges it. A couple of little improvements here and there doesn't mean squat when you're a new player being thrown to the wolf pack that is the current playerbase.

They are not little improvements, they are massive changes from when we started.

You think starting now is harder than when Imps could q sync pubs? You are wrong. A noob today has a much better chance going up against turd rock, or glory, or any of the pubstar corps than against q sync'd squads of actually good players.

Higher SP gains mean you are stuck in basic for a lot less time than the old system. Missions add even more SP on top. And of course, being able to triple stack boosters makes that initial progress even faster.

Gear changes matter as well. The vets come from a time when a basic suit had far fewer slots to go along with the gimped fitting. Now, you can take a basic gal logi and with a couple of fitting mods run all proto gear, an adv Weapon and a not horrible tank. On a dirt cheap suit.

There is no doubt that new bros still need help, but to attempt to forward your argument that it is worse today than it was is blatantly false. Stop it. Unless you want people to ignore you because of your refusal to accept facts and plug your ears until everyone comes around to your way of thinking, in which case carry on.

Player behavior is a funny thing. New players are told to "git gud" and vets are called losers for using proto. Vets aren't (not all, just the tryhard corps) willing to change their playstyle despite the impact on NPE. New players cannot just "git gud" and attain proto instantly. So in answer to stubborn vets, clutching on to proto for dear life, we will not participate in games with you. We may not be able to avoid it entirely. We can however leave games that will not net us any SP or hardly any isk.

Personally with the attitude of most "vets" I will now encourage noobs in leaving games. Between insults, being told to git gud or for new players to quit if they dont like it is just unacceptable. So I realized this is probably the most effective way to fight against proto stompers when you have low SP. They refuse to use any other kit except the best, then we'll simply refuse to fight them and find a new game.

Enjoy less kills, worse games, less isk and less SP. Meanwhile I don't mind leaving 2-3 games in a row where I'd only get 2-3 kills and hardly any isk or SP. As a new player it is far more worth your time to find a good game instead of playing against proto stacked squads.

Maybe with enough lopsided boring redlines these corps will realize what's up. Or the cries for matchmaking will become so deafening that meta locks or another tiericide option will be sooner explored.

What's worse to low SP players: leaving a couple games so as to have a great game, or playing 2-3 redline games where you hardly acquire SP and isk while burning through isk getting farmed? Even using a free fit doesn't somehow make those games worth the time.

I used to think not leaving was honorable or something, but after meeting some of the characters who are always stomping, its has nothing to do with honor or good sportsmanship in those games. It's just plain stupid and at our disadvantage to let them shoot us like fish in a barrel.

It's interesting that everyone saying things are easier now are completely ignoring just how many other new players they had the luxury of going up against when they were new too. Like, not a single one even acknowledges it. A couple of little improvements here and there doesn't mean squat when you're a new player being thrown to the wolf pack that is the current playerbase.

Last night, acq, 16v16.

My team made the push, berries left, off to the redline they went.

So me and my corpmate called an LAV and just joyrided the map hacking obj when it moved.

Then I watched the killfeed....

GRR, agimus, expcr, duvolle, etc etc....

So I check player board... Remaining enemy team is 8 strong with 100% starter corps.

So these well known 'vets' were stomping 'new' players to death in the redline with top tier gear.


I can't even drop decent feedback/input after telling that story.
Calgon take me away..

I was battle tested against Imperfects and PFBHz when my merc was growing up.

In a Minmatar f*cking scout when the suit was utter trash, in the slayer logi and Tac AR meta.

Trust me, you guys have it much easier

So I can just stick any dumbass in a proto suit with a 60 mil SP toon and watch him go to town?

Shotty, its the same in EVE. You give a new player a large SP toon with big ships he doesn't know how to use and he will get blown up and laughed at.

Same here in Dust.

Wearing a proto suit does not magically make you some amazing freaking player.

Some of these guys don't even know how to properly fit a fucking suit for christs sake.

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RANT INCOMING, NOT DIRECTED AT YOU SHOTTY.

List of tools that people have to LEARN to be good at FPS: Prefiring, Reload Canceling, Strafing, Burst Firing, Tactical Awareness, Map Knowledge, Map Control, Victory Conditions, AND THE LIST GOES ON.

EVERY SINGLE FIGHT that I've had fun in, fights that had me fighting to the wire to try and pull out the victory had people who knew how to work together. They didn't even have to wear proto, all they need to be is co-ordinated.

PUSH points together.

Find, Fix, Flank, Finish.

Know how to stonewall a defense, with proper heavy support and logistics.

Uplink control, proper scanning, hacking the right points when you need to.

Seriously. The list of tools that make a team GREAT is far longer than just "Wear Proto". Almost everything that make these "Proto Stompers" great are things that they LEARNED over playing the game.

"But Ghost, you keep talking about the team, I'm talking about individual players."

STFU. Where do you think the team STARTS from dumbass? It starts with YOU. What are YOU doing to contribute to the team? YOU have to know that the team needs more uplinks. YOU have to be the one to whip out the logi when you see heavies bunching up to defend. YOU have to be the one to know that you need that outside point if you want to win the match. YOU have learn how to PLAY. THE. GAME.

I've tried SO HARD over the years to try and teach people how to play the game.

I've written guides.

I've given fitting advice.

I've offered to squad with people.

I was even in a freaking MENTOR corp for scouts for a while.

You want to know how many people have ever taken me up on the squadding and playing with me advice?

NOBODY.

I've come to the sad conclusion that the vast majority of people in this game don't want to improve.

They want to drag everyone down to their level. And if they can't, they'll remove whatever they think is "cheating them" of their victory.

I don't know why I'm surprised. Real life is full of people like this too. Why the hell should it be different for a video game?

Does this mean that newbies need to get stomped into oblivion? Hell no.

Are there things we can do to improve the experience? Hell yes.

But blaming all of your problems on the fucking GEAR they're running will get you NOWHERE.

More than half of the people complaining need to step back, take a long ass look at how they play the game, and start noticing that most of their issues in game lie between the controller and chair.

So I can just stick any dumbass in a proto suit with a 60 mil SP toon and watch him go to town?

Shotty, its the same in EVE. You give a new player a large SP toon with big ships he doesn't know how to use and he will get blown up and laughed at.

Same here in Dust.

Wearing a proto suit does not magically make you some amazing freaking player.

Some of these guys don't even know how to properly fit a fucking suit for christs sake.

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RANT INCOMING, NOT DIRECTED AT YOU SHOTTY.

List of tools that people have to LEARN to be good at FPS: Prefiring, Reload Canceling, Strafing, Burst Firing, Tactical Awareness, Map Knowledge, Map Control, Victory Conditions, AND THE LIST GOES ON.

EVERY SINGLE FIGHT that I've had fun in, fights that had me fighting to the wire to try and pull out the victory had people who knew how to work together. They didn't even have to wear proto, all they need to be is co-ordinated.

PUSH points together.

Find, Fix, Flank, Finish.

Know how to stonewall a defense, with proper heavy support and logistics.

Uplink control, proper scanning, hacking the right points when you need to.

Seriously. The list of tools that make a team GREAT is far longer than just "Wear Proto". Almost everything that make these "Proto Stompers" great are things that they LEARNED over playing the game.

"But Ghost, you keep talking about the team, I'm talking about individual players."

STFU. Where do you think the team STARTS from dumbass? It starts with YOU. What are YOU doing to contribute to the team? YOU have to know that the team needs more uplinks. YOU have to be the one to whip out the logi when you see heavies bunching up to defend. YOU have to be the one to know that you need that outside point if you want to win the match. YOU have learn how to PLAY. THE. GAME.

I've tried SO HARD over the years to try and teach people how to play the game.

I've written guides.

I've given fitting advice.

I've offered to squad with people.

I was even in a freaking MENTOR corp for scouts for a while.

You want to know how many people have ever taken me up on the squadding and playing with me advice?

NOBODY.

I've come to the sad conclusion that the vast majority of people in this game don't want to improve.

They want to drag everyone down to their level. And if they can't, they'll remove whatever they think is "cheating them" of their victory.

I don't know why I'm surprised. Real life is full of people like this too. Why the hell should it be different for a video game?

Does this mean that newbies need to get stomped into oblivion? Hell no.

Are there things we can do to improve the experience? Hell yes.

But blaming all of your problems on the fucking GEAR they're running will get you NOWHERE.

More than half of the people complaining need to step back, take a long ass look at how they play the game, and start noticing that most of their issues in game lie between the controller and chair.

Player behavior is a funny thing. New players are told to "git gud" and vets are called losers for using proto. Vets aren't (not all, just the tryhard corps) willing to change their playstyle despite the impact on NPE. New players cannot just "git gud" and attain proto instantly. So in answer to stubborn vets, clutching on to proto for dear life, we will not participate in games with you. We may not be able to avoid it entirely. We can however leave games that will not net us any SP or hardly any isk.

Personally with the attitude of most "vets" I will now encourage noobs in leaving games. Between insults, being told to git gud or for new players to quit if they dont like it is just unacceptable. So I realized this is probably the most effective way to fight against proto stompers when you have low SP. They refuse to use any other kit except the best, then we'll simply refuse to fight them and find a new game.

Enjoy less kills, worse games, less isk and less SP. Meanwhile I don't mind leaving 2-3 games in a row where I'd only get 2-3 kills and hardly any isk or SP. As a new player it is far more worth your time to find a good game instead of playing against proto stacked squads.

Maybe with enough lopsided boring redlines these corps will realize what's up. Or the cries for matchmaking will become so deafening that meta locks or another tiericide option will be sooner explored.

What's worse to low SP players: leaving a couple games so as to have a great game, or playing 2-3 redline games where you hardly acquire SP and isk while burning through isk getting farmed? Even using a free fit doesn't somehow make those games worth the time.

I used to think not leaving was honorable or something, but after meeting some of the characters who are always stomping, its has nothing to do with honor or good sportsmanship in those games. It's just plain stupid and at our disadvantage to let them shoot us like fish in a barrel.

I think its funny the newberries complain so much about stopming. I still remember Nyain San /Chan Stomping Ambush all day everyday with full proto squads and Ion blaster tanks. but hey NPE is so much worse now right?

I personally cannot run lower tier than proto, because all my 30 fitting slots are occupied by varieties of suit+wep combos, with emphasis on Logi equipment combos as I'm a logi oriented player.
And no increase in max fittings is to be expected.


So there are other reasons as well beside pure dickery.

I know this isn't somehow a better solution, but if some players refuse to modify their behavior to better the experience for everyone, then why should new players force themselves to stay in stomps? For the enjoyment of the stompers?

*Won't stop officer/proto pub stomps*
*Protests players leaving games*
*New players say it isn't fun*
*Vet tells them to git gud scrub*
*New player leaves game*

It's a strange sort of dichotomy running right now.

I mean, you could run very comparable equipment/mod set ups of lower tier everything... But to say you "cannot" run anything but proto is just not true.

Do you think its better? As in we have more new players trying and staying with the game?

I mean, you could run very comparable equipment/mod set ups of lower tier everything... But to say you "cannot" run anything but proto is just not true.

It is better.

If you go back through the forums you will see countless threads decrying stompers. Many of the changes listed in this thread were in direct response to the **** poor NPE.