I know this isn't somehow a better solution, but if some players refuse to modify their behavior to better the experience for everyone, then why should new players force themselves to stay in stomps? For the enjoyment of the stompers?

I know this isn't somehow a better solution, but if some players refuse to modify their behavior to better the experience for everyone, then why should new players force themselves to stay in stomps? For the enjoyment of the stompers?

*Won't stop officer/proto pub stomps*
*Protests players leaving games*
*New players say it isn't fun*
*Vet tells them to git gud scrub*
*New player leaves game*

It's a strange sort of dichotomy running right now.

A lot of veterans went through what the new players are going through now*. We got repeatedly curb stomped in matches and eventually clawed our way to where we are today. Some veterans feel that this is almost a rite of passage at this point.

Honestly, a new player can do things for their team. Usually it involves sticking close to other blueberries, providing fire support, nanohives and other useful equipment. So no, they don't get to Rambo Jihad themselves at the enemy, but saying that their ONLY option is to leave battle... that is silly talk.

*: Mind you, we didn't have dropsuit slot progression flattened, a warbarge to pump out free SP/ISK every single day, and daily missions to provide free gear/ISK/SP just for playing

the best battles are full ones.

A lot of veterans went through what the new players are going through now*. We got repeatedly curb stomped in matches and eventually clawed our way to where we are today. Some veterans feel that this is almost a rite of passage at this point.

Honestly, a new player can do things for their team. Usually it involves sticking close to other blueberries, providing fire support, nanohives and other useful equipment. So no, they don't get to Rambo Jihad themselves at the enemy, but saying that their ONLY option is to leave battle... that is silly talk.

*: Mind you, we didn't have dropsuit slot progression flattened, a warbarge to pump out free SP/ISK every single day, and daily missions to provide free gear/ISK/SP just for playing

A lot of veterans went through what the new players are going through now*. We got repeatedly curb stomped in matches and eventually clawed our way to where we are today. Some veterans feel that this is almost a rite of passage at this point.

Honestly, a new player can do things for their team. Usually it involves sticking close to other blueberries, providing fire support, nanohives and other useful equipment. So no, they don't get to Rambo Jihad themselves at the enemy, but saying that their ONLY option is to leave battle... that is silly talk.

*: Mind you, we didn't have dropsuit slot progression flattened, a warbarge to pump out free SP/ISK every single day, and daily missions to provide free gear/ISK/SP just for playing

A lot of veterans went through what the new players are going through now*. We got repeatedly curb stomped in matches and eventually clawed our way to where we are today. Some veterans feel that this is almost a rite of passage at this point.

Honestly, a new player can do things for their team. Usually it involves sticking close to other blueberries, providing fire support, nanohives and other useful equipment. So no, they don't get to Rambo Jihad themselves at the enemy, but saying that their ONLY option is to leave battle... that is silly talk.

*: Mind you, we didn't have dropsuit slot progression flattened, a warbarge to pump out free SP/ISK every single day, and daily missions to provide free gear/ISK/SP just for playing

I just wanna say that from the stomping point of view... RUNNING PROTO IS SO ADDICTIVE. I don't know if it's just me or what but of the changing the play style part, it's hard when you get so addicted. Just to let you know how it is, especially for this event, o had 20m isk. I usually stop running pro when I am at that mark and I go to adv or basic. For the event, I thought, f my deaths, I'm addicted to pro and officer, just spam it.

I'm down to 1m isk and I've lost about 8 officer suits as a whole. ITS ADDICTING.

On the other hand, few do change style for fun or other reasons. Today in the morning I decided not to run pro for a few matches. I pullout my Amarr scout, put on my newly aquired skin, a quafe scrambler, and ran that.

average opponent had uto 100mil SP?

Or dealing with Officer gear being as common as it is now.

Crappy as it is, you cannot deny the OP makes more sense than most of the replies to his post.

Preach.

New players have it easier. They have more bonus sp pool, free isk and sp generated, and so much more we didn't have back then. But again the biggest problem all lies down to match making. And like I said above, why should we be punished for rubbing what we rightfully earned on the shoes of the new players???

Citation needed. What data has Rattati shared with us that says the average active player of Dust 514 has 100,000,000 lifetime SP? Please link it, I'd like to take a look.
Officer spam is a problem. I will agree with you on that. Hopefully the recent change to the experimental lab will help curtail the officer stomping a bit.
No, I can deny it actually. A new player is capable of insta-gibbing people with a PLC or SG. They can provide suppression fire with MDs and LRs. They can chuck grenades that now do proto-tier damage at all tiers and ruin someone's day.

They have tools available to them that can make a difference in a battle.

If you want to help a new player then squad with them, give them advice on fittings, if you are feeling generous then give them some ISK. THAT is how you help new players. Not telling them to tuck tail and run at the first sight of a difficult battle.

I tried this a long ass time ago. The vet mentality is perfectly seen here almost 3 years ago. 0 f*ks given and still to this day.

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Citation needed. What data has Rattati shared with us that says the average active player of Dust 514 has 100,000,000 lifetime SP? Please link it, I'd like to take a look.
Officer spam is a problem. I will agree with you on that. Hopefully the recent change to the experimental lab will help curtail the officer stomping a bit.
No, I can deny it actually. A new player is capable of insta-gibbing people with a PLC or SG. They can provide suppression fire with MDs and LRs. They can chuck grenades that now do proto-tier damage at all tiers and ruin someone's day.

They have tools available to them that can make a difference in a battle.

If you want to help a new player then squad with them, give them advice on fittings, if you are feeling generous then give them some ISK. THAT is how you help new players. Not telling them to tuck tail and run at the first sight of a difficult battle.

I don't blame y'all for leaving battles.

Player behavior is a funny thing. New players are told to "git gud" and vets are called losers for using proto. Vets aren't (not all, just the tryhard corps) willing to change their playstyle despite the impact on NPE. New players cannot just "git gud" and attain proto instantly. So in answer to stubborn vets, clutching on to proto for dear life, we will not participate in games with you. We may not be able to avoid it entirely. We can however leave games that will not net us any SP or hardly any isk.

Personally with the attitude of most "vets" I will now encourage noobs in leaving games. Between insults, being told to git gud or for new players to quit if they dont like it is just unacceptable. So I realized this is probably the most effective way to fight against proto stompers when you have low SP. They refuse to use any other kit except the best, then we'll simply refuse to fight them and find a new game.

Enjoy less kills, worse games, less isk and less SP. Meanwhile I don't mind leaving 2-3 games in a row where I'd only get 2-3 kills and hardly any isk or SP. As a new player it is far more worth your time to find a good game instead of playing against proto stacked squads.

Maybe with enough lopsided boring redlines these corps will realize what's up. Or the cries for matchmaking will become so deafening that meta locks or another tiericide option will be sooner explored.

What's worse to low SP players: leaving a couple games so as to have a great game, or playing 2-3 redline games where you hardly acquire SP and isk while burning through isk getting farmed? Even using a free fit doesn't somehow make those games worth the time.

I used to think not leaving was honorable or something, but after meeting some of the characters who are always stomping, its has nothing to do with honor or good sportsmanship in those games. It's just plain stupid and at our disadvantage to let them shoot us like fish in a barrel.

I actually play the game more than Rattati, no need to thank me for sharing the info.

I tried this a long ass time ago. The vet mentality is perfectly seen here almost 3 years ago. Zero f*ks given still to this day. Now it has come to a boiling point where people do not even stay in games anymore.

-Rage quitting due to uneven matches and bugs.

-Cowardliness of vets who have the isk but run away from any competition at moments notice. They see a superior team on the other side and leave instead of getting good.

-cheapskate vets who do not want to spend any isk.

-and most importantly the poor players who can not compete.

There is no healthy competition in this game anymore and that's what happens when you limit your self's in small platform with a low player base pool and on top of all that... all the bad decisions that CCP has made with this game developmental wise. This was a really good game in chromosome minus the bugs and lag. The mechanics worked way better than today. Each role worked their purpose if done correctly. I don't know why they decided to change the entire formula with uprising. Ps3 limitations? The people who really tried and kept things interesting are all gone. Imperfects, PBFHz, Hell Storm, SyNergy Gaming. A game such as this can not live off casuals, a game's FPS succes is determined by its competitive player pool. They are the ones who keep other vets of the same skill level stay and fight meanwhile the low sp players play against other low sp players. You can not mix them together and CCP no longer has the luxury to fix the NPE because there is no such thing anymore. I suggest moving on and stop worrying about the NPE because it is fked.

You cant have both vets and noobs going at each other the same time, it will destroy the game to a point where nobody is having fun anymore. This is the great depression of dust and nobody sees it. If there is no money to incentive people to fight then there is no competition. There has to be a massive change in dust regarding isk, rewards, and prices because as it is right now there is no way noobs can compete against people with billions of isk.

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