DUST Search - Port dust to next gen

Jack McReady wrote:

Jammeh McJam wrote:

- A mid level gaming PC (similar specs to ps4) can cost less than a ps4 if it is built and not bought premade.

I would like to see the "mid" range PC that performs like a ps4 in terms of gaming.

I can buy a PS4 for 350Gé¼ on amazon. the gpu is about as powerful as a 270x, thats atleast 150Gé¼, 180Gé¼ if you actually care about your PC and want a good one with better cooling solution. ~150 for CPU and cheap motherboard
and you are already at ~300Gé¼

you still need RAM, cooler, case and power supply. your will be at ~450Gé¼ all together. with compromises you could make it for 400Gé¼ but the PC will be ******, loud, get warm and have low ram which wont compare to a PS4 in terms of performance.

the PC will also never run at 120W under load like the PS4 does. 120W PS4 vs 350W PC, if you play 5 hours a day, thats 100Gé¼ extra per year on your electricity bill in middle EU.

and games will not run as well on your PC as dedicated PS4 games using the PS4 low level API which PS4 exclusive usually do. mantle and directx12 is childs play compared to the low level API that is offered by the PS4. all other games which do not use the low level API will be about equal though.

the PLUS the PC has, if you install a free Linux distro, you can use it for work though and that is the only PLUS the mid range PC can score over the PS4. in terms of gaming, ease of maintenance and comfort in relation to cost ps4 wins out every time againts mid range PC.

"We may be small and disorganized, but we're still gonna kill you" - Intergalactic Super Friends

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Heimdallr69 Negative-Feedback. 5	Posted - 2015.06.12 05:06:00 - [181] - Quote You can connect a laptop and desktop to your TV...I do it all the time..yes my wanker is 1/3 of the size but through hdmi I can get a big wanker too Sorry I'm really really bored atm Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
501st Headstrong 0uter.Heaven 1	Posted - 2015.06.12 10:33:00 - [182] - Quote Hey Heim why do you prefer Xbox 1 over PS4? "There are no rights. The world owes no one a living."-Sumner *The Mascot of 0uter.Heaven * Internet down atm :(
Jammeh McJam Escrow Removal and Acquisition No Context 266	Posted - 2015.06.12 12:03:00 - [183] - Quote ZED Regent wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: My laptop may not be as good as your desktop but it's far more convenient and it's better than consoles Like when I look up p0rn or anything else on the web browser I don't get the "not enough space" error that the ps4 gets Soo +1 laptop But on your laptop, it's maybe like on a 15" screen... while my ps is connected at a 42" screen... imagine the size of those.... and with a desktop, you can connect it to whatever screen you want... "We may be small and disorganized, but we're still gonna kill you" - Intergalactic Super Friends MAG ~ Raven vet
Jammeh McJam Escrow Removal and Acquisition No Context 266	Posted - 2015.06.12 12:04:00 - [184] - Quote ZED Regent wrote: But still... i think dust also should atract the casual gamer, heck, even ccp states it somewhere that dust can be enjoyed by them... and for casual gamers a console is imo far better then a pc, and i can't fit a 42" screen on my desk... While I agree that this game should be open for casual gamers, I don't think they should be the priority for the playerbase "We may be small and disorganized, but we're still gonna kill you" - Intergalactic Super Friends MAG ~ Raven vet
Mobius Wyvern Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 6	Posted - 2015.06.12 12:14:00 - [185] - Quote Jammeh McJam wrote: ZED Regent wrote: But still... i think dust also should atract the casual gamer, heck, even ccp states it somewhere that dust can be enjoyed by them... and for casual gamers a console is imo far better then a pc, and i can't fit a 42" screen on my desk... While I agree that this game should be open for casual gamers, I don't think they should be the priority for the playerbase Agreed. Do NOT make the mistake SOE made with Star Wars Galaxies. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
ZED Regent Acid Tech. 303 74	Posted - 2015.06.12 12:55:00 - [186] - Quote But we do need some extra cannonfodder.... A baseline for today? How about an acidbassline!
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 2	Posted - 2015.06.12 13:41:00 - [187] - Quote Jammeh McJam wrote: - A mid level gaming PC (similar specs to ps4) can cost less than a ps4 if it is built and not bought premade. I would like to see the "mid" range PC that performs like a ps4 in terms of gaming. I can buy a PS4 for 350Gé¼ on amazon. the gpu is about as powerful as a 270x, thats atleast 150Gé¼, 180Gé¼ if you actually care about your PC and want a good one with better cooling solution. ~150 for CPU and cheap motherboard and you are already at ~300Gé¼ you still need RAM, cooler, case and power supply. your will be at ~450Gé¼ all together. with compromises you could make it for 400Gé¼ but the PC will be ******, loud, get warm and have low ram which wont compare to a PS4 in terms of performance. the PC will also never run at 120W under load like the PS4 does. 120W PS4 vs 350W PC, if you play 5 hours a day, thats 100Gé¼ extra per year on your electricity bill in middle EU. and games will not run as well on your PC as dedicated PS4 games using the PS4 low level API which PS4 exclusive usually do. mantle and directx12 is childs play compared to the low level API that is offered by the PS4. all other games which do not use the low level API will be about equal though. the PLUS the PC has, if you install a free Linux distro, you can use it for work though and that is the only PLUS the mid range PC can score over the PS4. in terms of gaming, ease of maintanence and comfort in relation to cost ps4 wins out every time againts mid range PC.
Jammeh McJam Escrow Removal and Acquisition No Context 266	Posted - 2015.06.12 13:42:00 - [188] - Quote ZED Regent wrote: But we do need some extra cannonfodder.... yeah there's nothing like padding your stats with some casuals "We may be small and disorganized, but we're still gonna kill you" - Intergalactic Super Friends MAG ~ Raven vet
Jammeh McJam Escrow Removal and Acquisition No Context 266	Posted - 2015.06.12 14:03:00 - [189] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Jammeh McJam wrote: - A mid level gaming PC (similar specs to ps4) can cost less than a ps4 if it is built and not bought premade. I would like to see the "mid" range PC that performs like a ps4 in terms of gaming. I can buy a PS4 for 350Gé¼ on amazon. the gpu is about as powerful as a 270x, thats atleast 150Gé¼, 180Gé¼ if you actually care about your PC and want a good one with better cooling solution. ~150 for CPU and cheap motherboard and you are already at ~300Gé¼ you still need RAM, cooler, case and power supply. your will be at ~450Gé¼ all together. with compromises you could make it for 400Gé¼ but the PC will be ******, loud, get warm and have low ram which wont compare to a PS4 in terms of performance. the PC will also never run at 120W under load like the PS4 does. 120W PS4 vs 350W PC, if you play 5 hours a day, thats 100Gé¼ extra per year on your electricity bill in middle EU. and games will not run as well on your PC as dedicated PS4 games using the PS4 low level API which PS4 exclusive usually do. mantle and directx12 is childs play compared to the low level API that is offered by the PS4. all other games which do not use the low level API will be about equal though. the PLUS the PC has, if you install a free Linux distro, you can use it for work though and that is the only PLUS the mid range PC can score over the PS4. in terms of gaming, ease of maintenance and comfort in relation to cost ps4 wins out every time againts mid range PC. - A mid range CPU will cost around -ú100, - a decent motherboard will cost no more than -ú30, - a mid range GPU can cost anywhere between -ú30 to -ú100, - a basic case can cost around -ú10 - 8gb of some of the best RAM the public can buy is at most -ú50 - a 600W PSU cost me -ú30, a mid range build won't need anything near 600W - a 1TB HDD will cost around -ú50, much more storage than a console. - a DVD drive will cost under -ú10 - a simple mouse and keyboard will cost around -ú5 a good mid range PC will cost at most -ú400, so admittedly it's more expensive than a ps4, however when you can do so much more with a PC in terms of customization as well as just generally being able to do more, it's definitely worth an extra -ú50. Note: I didn't include a monitor or an OS here because PCs can be plugged into a TV instead of a monitor and linux is always an option if you want to be a pleb (windows 7 recommended though) "We may be small and disorganized, but we're still gonna kill you" - Intergalactic Super Friends MAG ~ Raven vet
Heimdallr69 Negative-Feedback. 5	Posted - 2015.06.12 16:15:00 - [190] - Quote 501st Headstrong wrote: Hey Heim why do you prefer Xbox 1 over PS4? I haven't been a hardcore gamer since Imps left..as a result I spend more time with media than games and not to mention the Xbox one has more appealing games to me..halo master chief just added odst for free so that's 5 games for the price of 1, halo 5 is coming out and gears of war is being remade...but ps4 has killzone, killzone hasn't been that great since 2-3..."ps4 can run 1080p while X1 is only 920" honestly can't tell the difference and X1 has better frame rates unless ps4 upped their game? X1 receives a monthly update whereas ps4 gets to it whenever they feel like it.. But the most irritating thing is the Xbox runs the web browser great (a bit slower than ps4) but the damn ps4 always gets the "not enough memory" error while on the web, it's been that way since release and they're too stupid to fix it...oh ps4 runs way louder and hotter than X1, and yes I have both I only play ps4 for my vita's sake. Also I like the snap feature on X1 Tldr; I'm more of a media person these days, only excited for halo 5(Dlc will be free)/gears of war, ps4 runs loud/hot can't properly run a web browser. http://imgur.com/CyRAzjx Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro

Jammeh McJam Escrow Removal and Acquisition No Context 273	Posted - 2015.06.12 16:35:00 - [191] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: 501st Headstrong wrote: Hey Heim why do you prefer Xbox 1 over PS4? I haven't been a hardcore gamer since Imps left..as a result I spend more time with media than games and not to mention the Xbox one has more appealing games to me..halo master chief just added odst for free so that's 5 games for the price of 1, halo 5 is coming out and gears of war is being remade...but ps4 has killzone, killzone hasn't been that great since 2-3..."ps4 can run 1080p while X1 is only 920" honestly can't tell the difference and X1 has better frame rates unless ps4 upped their game? X1 receives a monthly update whereas ps4 gets to it whenever they feel like it.. But the most irritating thing is the Xbox runs the web browser great (a bit slower than ps4) but the damn ps4 always gets the "not enough memory" error while on the web, it's been that way since release and they're too stupid to fix it...oh ps4 runs way louder and hotter than X1, and yes I have both I only play ps4 for my vita's sake. Also I like the snap feature on X1 Tldr; I'm more of a media person these days, only excited for halo 5(Dlc will be free)/gears of war, ps4 runs loud/hot can't properly run a web browser. http://imgur.com/CyRAzjx You know what can run a web browser rly well? a PC "We may be small and disorganized, but we're still gonna kill you" - Intergalactic Super Friends MAG ~ Raven vet
Heimdallr69 Negative-Feedback. 5	Posted - 2015.06.12 16:48:00 - [192] - Quote Jammeh McJam wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: 501st Headstrong wrote: Hey Heim why do you prefer Xbox 1 over PS4? I haven't been a hardcore gamer since Imps left..as a result I spend more time with media than games and not to mention the Xbox one has more appealing games to me..halo master chief just added odst for free so that's 5 games for the price of 1, halo 5 is coming out and gears of war is being remade...but ps4 has killzone, killzone hasn't been that great since 2-3..."ps4 can run 1080p while X1 is only 920" honestly can't tell the difference and X1 has better frame rates unless ps4 upped their game? X1 receives a monthly update whereas ps4 gets to it whenever they feel like it.. But the most irritating thing is the Xbox runs the web browser great (a bit slower than ps4) but the damn ps4 always gets the "not enough memory" error while on the web, it's been that way since release and they're too stupid to fix it...oh ps4 runs way louder and hotter than X1, and yes I have both I only play ps4 for my vita's sake. Also I like the snap feature on X1 Tldr; I'm more of a media person these days, only excited for halo 5(Dlc will be free)/gears of war, ps4 runs loud/hot can't properly run a web browser. http://imgur.com/CyRAzjx You know what can run a web browser rly well? a PC Once again I have one.. if PC gets halo/gears of war I'd return to PC gaming 100% Looks at windows 10 Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Heimdallr69 Negative-Feedback. 5	Posted - 2015.06.12 18:13:00 - [193] - Quote Jammeh I'm calling you orange boy for now on http://codegeass.wikia.com/wiki/Jeremiah_Gottwald Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Heimdallr69 Negative-Feedback. 5	Posted - 2015.06.12 22:21:00 - [194] - Quote Buuuump Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Grease Spillett The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 833	Posted - 2015.06.13 01:24:00 - [195] - Quote Honestly revealing that information would kill aur purchases. Regardless of items being transferred. Which if they did transfer items would put us vets so far ahead of new guys that we would kill out the ports chance of success. They'll have to screw the vets. So why not do it and ask forgiveness after its done? It's gonna be like the colts getting sold to Indianapolis they will cut and run. Next time you see me, bring more friends. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBM5hM5LdDw
Mobius Wyvern Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 6	Posted - 2015.06.13 02:20:00 - [196] - Quote Grease Spillett wrote: Honestly revealing that information would kill aur purchases. Regardless of items being transferred. Which if they did transfer items would put us vets so far ahead of new guys that we would kill out the ports chance of success. They'll have to screw the vets. So why not do it and ask forgiveness after its done? It's gonna be like the colts getting sold to Indianapolis they will cut and run. I doubt everyone would instantly stop buying anything if the game was announced to have a future. That wouldn't make much sense. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Grease Spillett The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 836	Posted - 2015.06.13 02:22:00 - [197] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Grease Spillett wrote: Honestly revealing that information would kill aur purchases. Regardless of items being transferred. Which if they did transfer items would put us vets so far ahead of new guys that we would kill out the ports chance of success. They'll have to screw the vets. So why not do it and ask forgiveness after its done? It's gonna be like the colts getting sold to Indianapolis they will cut and run. I doubt everyone would instantly stop buying anything if the game was announced to have a future. That wouldn't make much sense. The smart player would. Next time you see me, bring more friends. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBM5hM5LdDw
thor424 Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 384	Posted - 2015.06.13 03:05:00 - [198] - Quote Grease Spillett wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Grease Spillett wrote: Honestly revealing that information would kill aur purchases. Regardless of items being transferred. Which if they did transfer items would put us vets so far ahead of new guys that we would kill out the ports chance of success. They'll have to screw the vets. So why not do it and ask forgiveness after its done? It's gonna be like the colts getting sold to Indianapolis they will cut and run. I doubt everyone would instantly stop buying anything if the game was announced to have a future. That wouldn't make much sense. The smart player would. CCP has stated multiple times that we will take our assets. If they choose not to honor that there is no need announcing anything.
ZED Regent Acid Tech. 303 81	Posted - 2015.06.13 08:19:00 - [199] - Quote thor424 wrote: Grease Spillett wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Grease Spillett wrote: Honestly revealing that information would kill aur purchases. Regardless of items being transferred. Which if they did transfer items would put us vets so far ahead of new guys that we would kill out the ports chance of success. They'll have to screw the vets. So why not do it and ask forgiveness after its done? It's gonna be like the colts getting sold to Indianapolis they will cut and run. I doubt everyone would instantly stop buying anything if the game was announced to have a future. That wouldn't make much sense. The smart player would. CCP has stated multiple times that we will take our assets. If they choose not to honor that there is no need announcing anything. Hence the silence ? "If" they port, battleacademy will still exist and, the more players start with dust, the more choice scotty has... but well...... we all know scotty.... don't we.... A baseline for today? How about an acidbassline!
Heimdallr69 Negative-Feedback. 6	Posted - 2015.07.12 21:00:00 - [200] - Quote Bump Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro püépü¬püƒpü»tºüpü«pâèpââpâêpéÆsÉ+püäpü+püÖ

benandjerrys Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 320	Posted - 2015.07.12 21:08:00 - [201] - Quote We need a greenlight. That means big CCP will have to invest in our dedicated group now. To invest in something means you have to believe in the product the "buy in" we have has to be more than the aurum or the districts we hold... It has to be us all coming together create something the gaming industry has not seen before. We create the ONE UNIVERSE//ONE WAR the old guard promised with the community agreeing both on EvE and Dust with little to no development action. It can be done and there is things on my end that are in the works. Have patience and support it no matter how ya feel about me and I will have a finished product everyone will +1 on. ONE UNIVERSE//ONE WAR Support Dust/EvE cross content We need live events discussion
Heimdallr69 Negative-Feedback. 6	Posted - 2015.07.13 16:54:00 - [202] - Quote benandjerrys wrote: We need a greenlight. That means big CCP will have to invest in our dedicated group now. To invest in something means you have to believe in the product the "buy in" we have has to be more than the aurum or the districts we hold... It has to be us all coming together create something the gaming industry has not seen before. We create the ONE UNIVERSE//ONE WAR the old guard promised with the community agreeing both on EvE and Dust with little to no development action. It can be done and there is things on my end that are in the works. Have patience and support it no matter how ya feel about me and I will have a finished product everyone will +1 on. Honestly I'd be a lot more dedicated to this game if I knew it was being ported..but now it's ehh I'm not wasting anymore money on the lousy ps3...it could be dead in a year or 2 or it could be ported..who knows Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro püépü¬püƒpü»tºüpü«pâèpââpâêpéÆsÉ+püäpü+püÖ
Sir Petersen D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1	Posted - 2015.07.13 17:12:00 - [203] - Quote Does anyone know how much it costs to move the game from PS3 to PS4? What are we talking about?
Heimdallr69 Negative-Feedback. 6	Posted - 2015.07.13 17:23:00 - [204] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: Does anyone know how much it costs to move the game from PS3 to PS4? What are we talking about? Idk..if they still have the PC version they could just use that and start over..PC version was better anyways Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro püépü¬püƒpü»tºüpü«pâèpââpâêpéÆsÉ+püäpü+püÖ
501st Headstrong 0uter.Heaven 1	Posted - 2015.07.13 19:05:00 - [205] - Quote I would happily be part of a crowd fund that was exclusive to porting Dust. At this point, i don't care if it's PC or PS4. My PS3 is almost dead at this point from age. "There are no rights. The world owes no one a living."-Sumner *The Mascot of 0uter.Heaven * Internet down atm :(
Skihids Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 3	Posted - 2015.07.13 21:59:00 - [206] - Quote You have to look at the business case for a port. Ask yourself what CCP would expect from its investment. DUST was supposed to introduce the vast horde of console players to New Eden and to add a new dimension to the EVE universe. The dream was to have DUST players interact with EVE players and to write the lore together. Right off the bat CCP's bread and butter, the EVE players, were hostile to the idea of their money going to the development of a console game. CCP stuck it out and it seemed like it might actually work for a while. Unfortunately we soon found out that CCP had no experience on either the console or FPS developement. Additionally we found that the PS3 had too many limitations to ever break free of being a small player count lobby shooter. In addition the basic architecture of EVE and an FPS are incompatable for meaningful realtime interaction. EVE runs on a single shard mainframe in a turn based manner. Each turn is one second for normal play which is fine for a third person game. When the load gets to be too high it goes into "time dialation" where each turn takes longer than one second to process. Having our time scales shift doesn't kill simple interaction like orbital strikes, but it would be a mess if CCP wanted to implement boarding. So what has changed in three years? CCP has a skeleton crew for a staff. The EVE players are happy to see DUST die so it doesn't interfere with funding for their game and they won't have to share power in New Eden with "console kiddies" (their term, not mine). The PS4 is new, but does even it have the power to achieve the original vision of massive battles over a large map? What is the point of porting DUST if it is going to remain a lobby shooter isolated from the rest of New Eden? Wasn't it supposed to be "One War"? Wasn't that the whole selling point? It was supposed to expand the universe of New Eden, not just add a disconnected lobby shooter. So what would a PS4 port bring? It would bring those console players that were the original target, so that's a plus. But would it ever achieve the orginal vision? How a PC port? It loses out on the huge console population and risks angering a significant portion of the current player base. On the other hand it provides the best opportunity to integrate DUST with the rest of New Eden. What would it cost? Well, CCP would have to start pretty much from scratch with a new engine. They would have to staff a fairly large development team for a couple years before they had something playable. They would have to convince the EVE players that this was a good use of their money. A PC port would probably have a better chance with that crowd. What are the risks? Those include failure to build a decent game due to lack of expertise and the current competition in the PC marketplace. CCP has already demonstrated a lack of FPS development skills with the current game. Then there is the competition. PS2 is a favorite of the massive battle crowd and it has a significant head start. Star Citizen, though still in Alpha, promises to be a true "One Universe" game with the same character piloting capitall ships, one man fighters, and fighting hand to hand all in first person. SC has the advantage of being designed from the ground up as a single universe, a huge fan base, a ton of money, a huge skilled development team, and a head start. If you were CCP and looking at it from a fiscal perspective what would you decide?
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 11	Posted - 2015.07.13 22:02:00 - [207] - Quote Skihids wrote: Star Citizen, though still in Alpha, promises to be a true "One Universe" game with the same character piloting capitall ships, one man fighters, and fighting hand to hand all in first person. The FPS module of Star Citizen has been placed on hold indefinitely... https://www.polygon.com/2015/6/30/8871167/star-citizens-fps-module-delayed-indefinitely Skihids wrote: If you were CCP and looking at it from a fiscal perspective what would you decide? PC would expand my audience and offer more flexibility with development. Get Dust 514 into a balanced, stable state to be ported then pull the trigger. There is still a place for a New Eden FPS. @Ripley_Riley CPM2 candidate. Ripley.Riley on Skype!
Louis Domi Tugastroy Evil Syndicate Alliance. 975	Posted - 2015.07.13 22:08:00 - [208] - Quote If Dust moves to ps4... I'll get a ps4... But I will not be playing Dust... I won't waste my time playing a game that causes rage and depression when there is much more awesome games I could be playing(The Division. Ghost recon wildlands, the new ff, that game about robot dinosaurs with the female protagonist. Just to name a few on my list)
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 11	Posted - 2015.07.13 22:11:00 - [209] - Quote Louis, Horizon Zero Dawn. @Ripley_Riley CPM2 candidate. Ripley.Riley on Skype!
Golden Day Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2015.07.13 22:25:00 - [210] - Quote I'd prefer to port dust to Ps 4 due to the fact everyone will have the same thing and also because ps4 is awesome.... INB4 PC MASTER RACE CONSOLE BASHING Im just a glorified blueberry



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