Screw ps4, everything is 100x better on PC. The sooner dust is out of the plebby console market the better

myabe i am maybe i'm not, I still speak the truth

You have to look at the business case for a port. Ask yourself what CCP would expect from its investment.

DUST was supposed to introduce the vast horde of console players to New Eden and to add a new dimension to the EVE universe. The dream was to have DUST players interact with EVE players and to write the lore together.

Right off the bat CCP's bread and butter, the EVE players, were hostile to the idea of their money going to the development of a console game. CCP stuck it out and it seemed like it might actually work for a while. Unfortunately we soon found out that CCP had no experience on either the console or FPS developement. Additionally we found that the PS3 had too many limitations to ever break free of being a small player count lobby shooter.

In addition the basic architecture of EVE and an FPS are incompatable for meaningful realtime interaction. EVE runs on a single shard mainframe in a turn based manner. Each turn is one second for normal play which is fine for a third person game. When the load gets to be too high it goes into "time dialation" where each turn takes longer than one second to process. Having our time scales shift doesn't kill simple interaction like orbital strikes, but it would be a mess if CCP wanted to implement boarding.

So what has changed in three years? CCP has a skeleton crew for a staff. The EVE players are happy to see DUST die so it doesn't interfere with funding for their game and they won't have to share power in New Eden with "console kiddies" (their term, not mine). The PS4 is new, but does even it have the power to achieve the original vision of massive battles over a large map?

What is the point of porting DUST if it is going to remain a lobby shooter isolated from the rest of New Eden? Wasn't it supposed to be "One War"? Wasn't that the whole selling point? It was supposed to expand the universe of New Eden, not just add a disconnected lobby shooter.

So what would a PS4 port bring? It would bring those console players that were the original target, so that's a plus. But would it ever achieve the orginal vision?

How a PC port? It loses out on the huge console population and risks angering a significant portion of the current player base. On the other hand it provides the best opportunity to integrate DUST with the rest of New Eden.

What would it cost? Well, CCP would have to start pretty much from scratch with a new engine. They would have to staff a fairly large development team for a couple years before they had something playable. They would have to convince the EVE players that this was a good use of their money. A PC port would probably have a better chance with that crowd.

What are the risks? Those include failure to build a decent game due to lack of expertise and the current competition in the PC marketplace. CCP has already demonstrated a lack of FPS development skills with the current game. Then there is the competition. PS2 is a favorite of the massive battle crowd and it has a significant head start. Star Citizen, though still in Alpha, promises to be a true "One Universe" game with the same character piloting capitall ships, one man fighters, and fighting hand to hand all in first person. SC has the advantage of being designed from the ground up as a single universe, a huge fan base, a ton of money, a huge skilled development team, and a head start.

If you were CCP and looking at it from a fiscal perspective what would you decide?

When did the thread become a pc vs console thing...

I say, port it to android for smartphones

Because that is the point of contention in the playerbase. We can all admit that Dust needs to get off the PS3 quick fast and in a hurry. We can all agree CCP needs to start talking to us. What we can't seem to agree upon is where Dust would perform better: PC or PS4.

If it went to ps4 then I could play it on my vita..and people who fail to realize dance dance will be far superior on PC due to kb/m..can't wait for that QQ lol

/Signed

I don't play Dust anymore on PS3, but I would play it on PS4 all the freaking time. Now I'm out of the gambling simulator that is Destiny.

We don't know how many PS3 owners have a PS4, but let's go by the PS4 unit sales. In March PS4 unit sales hit 20.2 million units worldwide. I don't have any figures on the total units as of July. On Steam alone there are 125 active accounts... that was accurate as of February this year. Not certain how many are active as of July.

If EVERY SINGLE PS4 owner downloaded Dust 514 on their PS4 they wouldn't hit 17% of the Steam account total... think about that. Just by going PS4, CCP would be opting out of 104.8 million potential customers.

And you PC gamers wonder why we aren't so friendly to you.

For those rallying for Legion and or a port to PC in general, here's my issue with that possibility.

When you enter the PC market, you are immediately competing with literally every game ever made. Your game needs to be God tier levels of fun to maintain any level of success over a long period of time. I'm talking LOL, WOW, Minecraft, Star Craft levels of fun.

That or be a hardcore niche filler with little competition like EVE.

Legion however is just an FPS. That means it's competing with games like COD, Battlefield, Far Cry, Titanfall, Borderlands, ARMA, and Planetside. Super AAA titles that are always providing the highest level of real competitive and or fun gameplay.

And the accessibility and usability of all these games means that if someone doesn't like a particular game, it's just as easy to delete it as it was to download it and move on to any other game.

And on top of that, it's also much easier to look up ratings and reviews of games.

On PS3, to know how Dust was rated, you can either just go off the star rating the game has and say, "meh, nearly 4 stars, might as well try it," or you are forced to get off your console and go look up big name reviews.

However on PC, the reviews are right there, the thoughts on the game from everyone from Gamespot to Snip3rB0y99 on how well the game was made is sometimes available right from the same page as the download. Which means that when players bash on your game, these opinions are given much more weight on the overall success of the game as they are directly visible to everyone thinking of getting into it right from the start.

Legion/Dust would -NOT- survive on PC even anywhere nearly as well as it fared on console. With the limited number of games available to consoles, there comes a certain safety. Being one of the 15 shooters available on PS4 makes you automatically more dominant than being one of the 100s if not 1,000s of shooters available on PC.

Why don't you guys just boycott Dust until CCP says something? You don't have the numbers to rock the server with a Burn Jita-style event, but you guys can DO *something*.

It'll accomplish one or two of these things:
1. If they get defiant and shut down Dust, then that means they had no intention of releasing Dust on PC/PS4, and they were just milking your money anyway. No harm done, and you can move on.

2. You'll force their hand to actually say something, and an actual dialog can probably be opened (with the CPM) to decide how to proceed. Just maybe you can get that NDA lifted. Our CPM has been gimped for the longest time by it; being unable to share information with us, until CCP says it's okay.

I mean... I thought the CPM inquired about a PC/PS4 port, and reported that CCP said, 'we're not planning on it right now.' or something similar.
Are you guys just going to be pushovers and take that? You're just going to tolerate that kind of treatment from a company? lol

You guys are the customers... YOU have the power.
You can crush Dust out of existence, or you can use your leverage to goad CCP into doing what you want. Why do so many insist on defending the current course of inaction by saying things like, "CCP owes us nothing", as if when Dust was made it was some kind of "favor"? lmao

Dust was made to make money, off of YOU. Period.
If you're going to throw any money at the game at all, you need to show CCP, that you're not going to tolerate them sitting on their ass. If they want to keep making money, a future for Dust needs to be disclosed.

Do or Die.

A company will always do the bare minimum unless demanded otherwise (why do you think Wal Mart has all those aisles, but only 2 or 3 are ever actually open with huge lines?).

EDIT: @ All you guys saying 'PS4-only'. f*ck you. You are a part of the problem.