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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
11
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Posted - 2015.09.10 10:11:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:
Was in a pub Dom, had a Logi but he backed out.
if you're not holding the point and defending running a sentinel in Dom is like truing to pleasure yourself with a grinder wheel at high speed.
Assaults and commandos and scouts are the attack fits. Sentinels trying to push hard on most dom maps get their balls ripped off.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
Learning Alliance
7
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Posted - 2015.09.10 12:23:00 -
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Megaman Trigger wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:I am starting to really hate that truncated pyramid (I think CCP calls it the Matrix or something). That place is a death tramp for HMG Sentinels. Even the Assault HMG does not have enough range to be effective in that massive open building, and it is hard to find cover when people with rifles are constantly shooting from 3 or 4 different angles.  Ironically, that's the map I had my best unsupported run; 34/4 in an advanced Cal Sent using an MH-82, hovering around the objective. Had 1 corp mate up top, helping blueberries lock it down, I was solo down below mowingdown AmManndos, praying my regen held up.
That is a good scenario, however it is rare that the enemy will rush the point if they don't control the roof, so usually if you guard the point you are either getting shot from above, or you are standing there twiddling your thumbs with no action.
I got that map again this morning, so I said screw the pyramid and just spent the whole game 1 v 1 with a Scout trying to control the CRU way off to the side of the map.
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
Learning Alliance
7
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Posted - 2015.09.10 12:39:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:I am starting to really hate that truncated pyramid (I think CCP calls it the Matrix or something). That place is a death tramp for HMG Sentinels. Even the Assault HMG does not have enough range to be effective in that massive open building, and it is hard to find cover when people with rifles are constantly shooting from 3 or 4 different angles. I LOVE that map. The calsent and minsent shine there. It's a deathtrap for am/galsent though. Most of the people camping the rooftops rock rail rifles and combat rifles. A solid shield fit on a calsent and a speed fit on the minsent with either DPS spiked or a shield buffer tends to hit the corners and run up the pyramid outside like a bulldozer. They have a really hard time breaking you on the way up. Play the calsent like a human shield for a squad charging up the pyramid then when on top drop down directly on your targets through the hatch for some straight d**k moves. The minsent with a kincat and a cardiac combined with shields or DPS mods can keep pace with most assaults and logis. The amarr and galsent are relegated to ambush camping on that map because the cover is sparse enough that they are almost always exposed to fire from at least one angle. Fast regen is key for sentinels on that map.
You are right of course. Maybe I should try pulling our my Caldari fit next time and try to stick to the roof.
Part of my problem I think is that I mostly play an hour before Down Time, so I am mostly fighting Lord British, Nyan San, Nyan Chan, and assorted other good players. I seem to do way better in PUBs if I play in American Prime Time rather than Japanese Prime Time. There are a lot more bad players on to make me look good.
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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Shadowed Cola
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
983
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Posted - 2015.09.10 15:50:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:[quote=Fox Gaden]
Fast regen is key for sentinels on that map.
Or speed, it works well. You don't need to rely on a logi in a speed suit that can get to a depot to switch to a rep suit.
I can understand your enjoyment of the shield regen - but it's easily countered, you'll have mods for either faster reps or faster rep delay. where as Armor regen there's no counter but a OHK :D |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
11
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Posted - 2015.09.10 15:54:00 -
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Shadowed Cola wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:[quote=Fox Gaden]
Fast regen is key for sentinels on that map. Or speed, it works well. You don't need to rely on a logi in a speed suit that can get to a depot to switch to a rep suit. I can understand your enjoyment of the shield regen - but it's easily countered, you'll have mods for either faster reps or faster rep delay. where as Armor regen there's no counter but a OHK :D
Calsent at 20-30m + AHMG 1v1 vs amsent or galsent...
In my experience the calsent wins.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Shadowed Cola
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
983
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Posted - 2015.09.10 16:08:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Shadowed Cola wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:[quote=Fox Gaden]
Fast regen is key for sentinels on that map. Or speed, it works well. You don't need to rely on a logi in a speed suit that can get to a depot to switch to a rep suit. I can understand your enjoyment of the shield regen - but it's easily countered, you'll have mods for either faster reps or faster rep delay. where as Armor regen there's no counter but a OHK :D Calsent at 20-30m + AHMG 1v1 vs amsent or galsent... In my experience the calsent wins.
i'm sure people know my opinion on how bad the GalSent suit is by now.
Shield does offer more EHP vs the HMG since it stacks resistance without penalty, unlike our Armor who goes through a 15% resistance then a 25% weakness.
So if you put on that extra damage mod over reps or delay you'll probably get quite the punch out of that suit, plus it has a nice strafe speed.
but even though it sounds like a great suit, like i said before, it's too easily countered by how weapon meta currently works. ASCR shred you to pieces and you can't modify your suit in any way to counter it.
That's why I prefer my Amarr, I get the best of every world, plus more.
I really want to try a passive scan Calsent suit someday, though. |
Georgia Xavier
Incorruptibles
1
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Posted - 2015.09.10 16:44:00 -
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I always have a BScP with my heavies, only preventing me from being a purely amarrian sentinel is the heavy weapon  . Anyways, the pistol helps against the calsents
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Megaman Trigger
OSG Planetary Operations
712
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Posted - 2015.09.10 16:59:00 -
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Georgia Xavier wrote:I always have a BScP with my heavies, only preventing me from being a purely amarrian sentinel is the heavy weapon . Anyways, the pistol helps against the calsents
I prefer to take a SMG or BP, for shields I lead with a Flux.
Purifier. First Class.
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Georgia Xavier
Incorruptibles
1
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Posted - 2015.09.10 17:02:00 -
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Megaman Trigger wrote:Georgia Xavier wrote:I always have a BScP with my heavies, only preventing me from being a purely amarrian sentinel is the heavy weapon . Anyways, the pistol helps against the calsents I prefer to take a SMG or BP, for shields I lead with a Flux.
I never have space for grenades :(
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Shadowed Cola
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
984
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Posted - 2015.09.10 17:07:00 -
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Georgia Xavier wrote:Megaman Trigger wrote:Georgia Xavier wrote:I always have a BScP with my heavies, only preventing me from being a purely amarrian sentinel is the heavy weapon . Anyways, the pistol helps against the calsents I prefer to take a SMG or BP, for shields I lead with a Flux. I never have space for grenades :(
The heavy suit really needs that grenade, it's a great area of denial weapon you can use to sheep enemies the way you want for easy kills. |
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Megaman Trigger
OSG Planetary Operations
712
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Posted - 2015.09.10 17:18:00 -
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Georgia Xavier wrote:Megaman Trigger wrote:Georgia Xavier wrote:I always have a BScP with my heavies, only preventing me from being a purely amarrian sentinel is the heavy weapon . Anyways, the pistol helps against the calsents I prefer to take a SMG or BP, for shields I lead with a Flux. I never have space for grenades :(
If I take Krin's mods over regular damage mofs, I can fit Proto everything else.
Purifier. First Class.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
11
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Posted - 2015.09.10 17:25:00 -
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Shadowed Cola wrote:
I really want to try a passive scan Calsent suit someday, though.
Done it. It's amusing for about three minutes.
Unfortunately the scans cannot get out far enough to escape the center ring of the radar. So by the time they pop up on scans, you have them inside Assault Rifle optimal.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
Learning Alliance
7
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Posted - 2015.09.10 19:23:00 -
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Shadowed Cola wrote:Georgia Xavier wrote:Megaman Trigger wrote:Georgia Xavier wrote:I always have a BScP with my heavies, only preventing me from being a purely amarrian sentinel is the heavy weapon . Anyways, the pistol helps against the calsents I prefer to take a SMG or BP, for shields I lead with a Flux. I never have space for grenades :( The heavy suit really needs that grenade, it's a great area of denial weapon you can use to sheep enemies the way you want for easy kills.
I have fits that only vary by Grenade type.
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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Megaman Trigger
OSG Planetary Operations
717
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Posted - 2015.09.12 08:46:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Gallente repinel AHMG is glorious,
So going to have to try this; triple reps, dual damage mods, Flux, AHMG, BSMG. Putting my faith in Rattati.
Purifier. First Class.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
11
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Posted - 2015.09.12 11:55:00 -
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Megaman Trigger wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Gallente repinel AHMG is glorious, So going to have to try this; triple reps, dual damage mods, Flux, AHMG, BSMG. Putting my faith in Rattati.
Actually giggleworthy.
Your mileage may vary but the fit is usually entertaining.
I tend to defy logic and use heavy plates on assault suits.
Have been accused of cheating because I ate every bullet fired at me by one guy and still massacred his wiggling butt. Three times. Was accused of hacking.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Megaman Trigger
OSG Planetary Operations
717
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Posted - 2015.09.12 12:09:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Megaman Trigger wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Gallente repinel AHMG is glorious, So going to have to try this; triple reps, dual damage mods, Flux, AHMG, BSMG. Putting my faith in Rattati. Actually giggleworthy. Your mileage may vary but the fit is usually entertaining. I tend to defy logic and use heavy plates on assault suits. Have been accused of cheating because I ate every bullet fired at me by one guy and still massacred his wiggling butt. Three times. Was accused of hacking.
When Amarr Assaults do that, it's a hell of a fight taking them down.
Purifier. First Class.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
11
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Posted - 2015.09.12 13:41:00 -
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Amarr assault is what I do it in. Trick is to remember that plate suits don't get remotely similar bennies as ferroscale from kincats. Throwing a single cardiac regulator on instead helps the mobility issues. Not being able to sprint insanely fast is heavily mitigated by being able to sprint forever.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Jonny D Buelle
Mors Effera
1
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Posted - 2015.09.14 00:27:00 -
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Megaman Trigger wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Gallente repinel AHMG is glorious, So going to have to try this; triple reps, dual damage mods, Flux, AHMG, BSMG. Putting my faith in Rattati.
Why not try double reps and one reactive, get some meat and reps.
Give me my Plasma Flamethrower or give me a cookie!
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Megaman Trigger
OSG Planetary Operations
720
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Posted - 2015.09.14 00:40:00 -
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Jonny D Buelle wrote:Megaman Trigger wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Gallente repinel AHMG is glorious, So going to have to try this; triple reps, dual damage mods, Flux, AHMG, BSMG. Putting my faith in Rattati. Why not try double reps and one reactive, get some meat and reps.
Rep rate is too low and the armour probably wouldn't help much. At Proto, it's only 60HP. That might by me 1 or 2 seconds but I'd take much longer to rep up to decent levels.
Purifier. First Class.
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Jonny D Buelle
Mors Effera
1
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Posted - 2015.09.14 00:51:00 -
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Megaman Trigger wrote:Jonny D Buelle wrote:Megaman Trigger wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Gallente repinel AHMG is glorious, So going to have to try this; triple reps, dual damage mods, Flux, AHMG, BSMG. Putting my faith in Rattati. Why not try double reps and one reactive, get some meat and reps. Rep rate is too low and the armour probably wouldn't help much. At Proto, it's only 60HP. That might by me 1 or 2 seconds but I'd take much longer to rep up to decent levels.
Fair point.
Give me my Plasma Flamethrower or give me a cookie!
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
8
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Posted - 2015.09.14 00:55:00 -
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Megaman Trigger wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Gallente repinel AHMG is glorious, So going to have to try this; triple reps, dual damage mods, Flux, AHMG, BSMG. Putting my faith in Rattati.
Meh. Sentinel doesn't have enough reps to outrep things. You can't even factor in cover because you're slow.
Scouts United
Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
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Jonny D Buelle
Mors Effera
1
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Posted - 2015.09.14 04:54:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Megaman Trigger wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Gallente repinel AHMG is glorious, So going to have to try this; triple reps, dual damage mods, Flux, AHMG, BSMG. Putting my faith in Rattati. Meh. Sentinel doesn't have enough reps to outrep things. You can't even factor in cover because you're slow.
Actually you can out rep and take cover if you have the right gun game and fit it properly. Take your fat hate elsewhere.
Give me my Plasma Flamethrower or give me a cookie!
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Shadowed Cola
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
996
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Posted - 2015.09.14 14:37:00 -
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Jonny D Buelle wrote:Joel II X wrote:Megaman Trigger wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Gallente repinel AHMG is glorious, So going to have to try this; triple reps, dual damage mods, Flux, AHMG, BSMG. Putting my faith in Rattati. Meh. Sentinel doesn't have enough reps to outrep things. You can't even factor in cover because you're slow. Actually you can out rep and take cover if you have the right gun game and fit it properly. Take your fat hate elsewhere.
No, you can't. Even with 3 complex reps giving roughly 10 a second you would still be out-matched by most heavies in the Rep department, and they won't need to sacrifice to obtain it. 35 reps a second with 650 base health takes how long? vs 50 and how much Caldari gets for shield? You're out of the fight for too long to save your KDR, you're better off dying and respawning in 10 seconds.. And you won't have the stamina to make a decent duck-and-cover-heavy-suit, you're quite literally putting yourself at a disadvantage trying to play the Gal that way.
The only reason people even use that pathetic suit is because it is a heavy suit - each one of them is OP in comparison to any other type of suit in a 1v1 situation. In pub games where everyone is running around the objective rather then protecting it - I'm sure it seems like a 'killer' suit.
But it's not. It doesn't do anything the best, barely does what it does do well, and has no real purpose or situation where you'd want to pick a Gal suit to get you out of a bad situation. You'll always look to the strength/versatility of the Amarr, the shield reps of the Caldari, or the speed of the Min. |
Balistyc Farshot
MONSTER SYNERGY
373
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Posted - 2015.09.14 15:01:00 -
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The thing with heavies lately like above is that they won't evolve a little.
Holding a point is so much harder now due to all the nerfs on us heavies and enhancements to ranged weaponry. We did get some buffs though, we just need to be able to exploit them.
Like the AHMG, I use that exclusively now and even the Alex can't win against me in toe to toe, just aim for the headshots. The accuracy will give you the advantage.
I think Ratati is trying to push heavies to stop standing in place and controlling the fights. That is why the TTK has been decreased for heavies by increasing weapon dmg and making hit detection/dispersion a joke.
I use my Amarr heavy, but I put 2 enhanced reps on. That way, I can hit the enemy, then pull back and my reps will pick me back up enough to be ready for a fight again by the time I finish my reload. True, a logi is useful in that situation, but I expect my logis to be fighters first and healers second. That is how I play them, and people beg me to logi when I am not the heavy. Plus, when I am reloading, I want my logi shooting the enemies. The signature says it all.
New tactics state you try the hit and duck method. Watch the ranged fire from lasers and SCR because you can't fight back against those. Instead duck and make them close the gap. I wish CCP would stop the old heavy hate and make the explosives resistance higher so we weren't so pestered by MDs, but CCP has learned that nerfing and buffing is going to be a losing game.
If you want to be a jerk, pull out an Amarr Commando and ranged fight back. I don't have a min mando otherwise I would try the combat rifles. One assault one standard. CQC and ranged anti armor.
"Dying with your rep tool out - the logi-flasher!"
Who hasn't been caught by a cute little female scout doing this?
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Jonny D Buelle
The Warlords Legion
1
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Posted - 2015.09.14 21:00:00 -
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Shadowed Cola wrote:Jonny D Buelle wrote:Joel II X wrote:Megaman Trigger wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Gallente repinel AHMG is glorious, So going to have to try this; triple reps, dual damage mods, Flux, AHMG, BSMG. Putting my faith in Rattati. Meh. Sentinel doesn't have enough reps to outrep things. You can't even factor in cover because you're slow. Actually you can out rep and take cover if you have the right gun game and fit it properly. Take your fat hate elsewhere. No, you can't. Even with 3 complex reps giving roughly 10 a second you would still be out-matched by most heavies in the Rep department, and they won't need to sacrifice to obtain it. 35 reps a second with 650 base health takes how long? vs 50 and how much Caldari gets for shield? You're out of the fight for too long to save your KDR, you're better off dying and respawning in 10 seconds.. And you won't have the stamina to make a decent duck-and-cover-heavy-suit, you're quite literally putting yourself at a disadvantage trying to play the Gal that way. The only reason people even use that pathetic suit is because it is a heavy suit - each one of them is OP in comparison to any other type of suit in a 1v1 situation. In pub games where everyone is running around the objective rather then protecting it - I'm sure it seems like a 'killer' suit. But it's not. It doesn't do anything the best, barely does what it does do well, and has no real purpose or situation where you'd want to pick a Gal suit to get you out of a bad situation. You'll always look to the strength/versatility of the Amarr, the shield reps of the Caldari, or the speed of the Min.
So you are talking about the actual suit and not factoring the multiple ways someone could fit it or a persons gungame/skills and are assuming that it is the weakest of the lot?
I have been running GalSent since it was released and I have never given up on it and I refuse to give up on it now. I do not care about my KD/R and I play a sentinel the way it's suppose to be: Point Defense. I only play pubs when I cant get into FW so don't assume I am a pub scrub.
Also I do play cover and run sentinel with my fitting, and I do well. If you cant get the GalSent to work for you, thats on you and you shouldnt use it, but it works for me so dont try to put me down because of it as it makes you look the fool.
Combat and Logistics Officer of T-W-L
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Regnier Feros
Pielords
681
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Posted - 2015.09.14 22:32:00 -
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Tiffany's Fit
Sent Ak.0
1 complex shield
2 complex kin cats
2 complex reps
six kin burst hmg & hmg
flux nade
^^^^^^^ suicide rushing with this fit
ZariaOwnsWhips
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Shadowed Cola
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
996
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Posted - 2015.09.15 01:51:00 -
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I clearly said, first line second paragraph, the only reason the suit gets used is because, like every other sentinel, it feels strong compared to other suits.
And I consider FW to be a pub game. Neither side is fully organized or communicating the majority of the time and are generally separated by squads or a bunch of solo players. And matches are decided by a draw of a hat from Scotty.
It's not like that Gal can't perform - if you can't do anything in any heavy suit you're just plainly a bad player. But the suit in comparison to any role for any circumstance for any given time - you're better off with a different heavy suit.
Loyalty is cool, I'm an Amarr Loyalist, but if you're truly loyal to your faction you'll use what's best suited to win. Losing for your factions while wearing there colors is pub scrub logic. Only winners are recognized. |
Jonny D Buelle
The Warlords Legion
1
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Posted - 2015.09.15 05:36:00 -
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Shadowed Cola wrote:I clearly said, first line second paragraph, the only reason the suit gets used is because, like every other sentinel, it feels strong compared to other suits.
And I consider FW to be a pub game. Neither side is fully organized or communicating the majority of the time and are generally separated by squads or a bunch of solo players. And matches are decided by a draw of a hat from Scotty.
It's not like that Gal can't perform - if you can't do anything in any heavy suit you're just plainly a bad player. But the suit in comparison to any role for any circumstance for any given time - you're better off with a different heavy suit.
Loyalty is cool, I'm an Amarr Loyalist, but if you're truly loyal to your faction you'll use what's best suited to win. Losing for your factions while wearing there colors is pub scrub logic. Only winners are recognized.
You must be new here. I am not a gallente loyalist, hell I am only doing Gal Factional for the Atlas and thats it. Anyone who has stumbled into the IGS at one point or another would come across a post of my character showing his disdain for the empires except for the Minmatar.
Also with the amount of Q Syncing going on these days, its become less random and more organized. Occasionally you will get the one sided stomp but lately it has been fair sided down to the wire fights.
And to be honest I have out performed Amarrian and Caldari sentinels before without logi support (I didnt have it). Keep in mind scrublord that the suit and fitting only counts for 35% of your potential on the field, the rest comes from your own player skills and tactics.
A sh.tty fit in the hands of a decent player is better than the FOTM in the hands of a scrub. This has been proven time and time again.
Combat and Logistics Officer of T-W-L
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Megaman Trigger
OSG Planetary Operations
722
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Posted - 2015.09.15 11:08:00 -
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SoTa, save your breath, this constant hate for the Gal Sent and the constant need to express it is just making you look like a troll. You don't like it and don't use it? Fine. Others do. So let them do so in peace.
Purifier. First Class.
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Shadowed Cola
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
996
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Posted - 2015.09.15 11:54:00 -
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smh, why post in a discussion about heavies when people refuse to discuss it because it hurts there pride somehow.
You guys realize CCP reads this thread, right? You're supposed to make conversation based on the weaknesses and strengths of the suits, comparisons, etc.
You guys probably hate the Gal suit more then i do by the looks of it - complimenting the suit and talking well of it to CCP Rat... lol....
i'm a paranoid guy, and i somehow think this thread is going to lead to heavies getting massively ****** over because you guys have no clue wtf you're talking about. |
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