Except you're not discussing the suit, you just post how the suit is "inferior " and "pathetic " in your eyes while scratching your head over why Gal Sent users here refuse to change their suit, and therefore their playstyle, based on your opinion. All you do is trash the Gal Sent. That's not discussion.

And no, I don't hate the Gal Sent. If anything I hate the AmSent for being the slowest, ugliest, weakest DPS and overall least useful to me.

If you want to help the Gal Sent, then why not go post something in the ideas forum?

Your level of stupid needs to stop someday.

This is the heavy discussion thread, right?

CCP Rat posts in here, right?

So why wouldn't i assume this is a great place to have this discussion so CCP Rat can see and other heavies can give input without the GD peasants clogging it up with more pointless pub experiences?

As does your level of trolling. There better, vastly more effective ways to get a point across then derailing conversations and shitting all over the Gal Sent. A little tact and discression goes a long way to getting a point across.

As I said, a little tact and discression goes a long way to getting a point across. We can have a great discussion without the need to constantly crap all over the Gal Sent, it just depends on how you go about it.

And for the record, I'd go with Fox's buff if we did push for one.

The Gal are predominantly armour orientated with a preference for reps. Would make more sense to drop their shield HP.

Switching back the slots would just enrage the AmSent users unless the base armour was buffed to offset the lost slot.

The Amarr's EHP is actually the highest atm. Amarr Sent users have no room to complain if they made this switch back on those basis, they'd still have the highest EHP values, they'd just lose there ability to overspecialize. And i find that a good thing for the meta of the game - heavies really take away from the fun of this game when spammed because it can be mobile or overly self-sufficient with the best DPS and health in the game

But the Amarr suit has plenty going for it - and having the highest stamina + highest armor + 4 lows was always, always a bad idea. Sometimes i wish i could have 1v1's with Rat to figure out what direction he was heading with some of these changes.

It made more sense with Gal - it still wouldn't be a viable armor stacker with low stamina, and it could finally achieve reps that, with 640 base armor, wouldn't feel too OP or un-counterable.

CCP could even take a bit of a risk, replace the Armor for Shiled on the Gal instead, make it's total armor HP 450, and give it a base natural 10 reps. With it's hitbox, speed, and low health paired with high rep and 3 lows you could have a very interesting yet not OP suit.

Not sure the Gal would benefit from a Shield/Armour swap; delays and regen rates are bad, which is expected on an armour suit, so those would need adjusting. Gal are rep focused and use more armour than shields, so making the Gal Sent more shield focused doesn't seem the right way.

Simplest option, as you stated, would be just swap Gal and Amarr slots.

The idea with shield on Gal is the extra survivability you'll lose with Armor. Shields in a heavy fight act like a 25% resistance buff, where as the best armor can get is 15% resistance, stacked with a 25% weakness against Projectile weapons.

so the switch would enable Gal to still survive a gun fight like a heavy should - but not pack enough Armor for the high Reps to be overwhelming.

And if you do try to specialize you'll have a suit that can barely move or a suit with not enough HP to survive a sustained fight. And that's good - specializing with a suit with our HP HAS to be a give and take situation.

Right now, the Amarr is take and take more. Speed, Reps, Health, it can have it all at once. But with 3 lows, it couldn't, and would make the Gal more viable in a hot-spot.

So either lower base Armor, increase shield, and give it a high natural rep. Or switch slots.

Those seem to be the only viable solutions to me to fix the suit without ruining the Heavy balance.

So the best fix, or at least easiest for Ratatti, is just swap the slots. Numbers regarding possible class wide native Rep buffs and base armour nerfs would come after.

If you want to help the Gal Sent, then why not go post something in the ideas forum?

Your level of stupid needs to stop someday.

This is the heavy discussion thread, right?

CCP Rat posts in here, right?

So why wouldn't i assume this is a great place to have this discussion so CCP Rat can see and other heavies can give input without the GD/iD peasants clogging it up with more pointless pub experiences?

Dam! I forgot.

Did anyone remember to ask for an extra 2 HP/sec native rep for the Gal Sent in that Rattati thread asking what we wanted him to do in the next hot fix?

It completely slipped my mind, and now the thread is locked.

It would have gotten lost in the cries for a port.

Dam! I forgot.

Did anyone remember to ask for an extra 2 HP/sec native rep for the Gal Sent in that Rattati thread asking what we wanted him to do in the next hot fix?

It completely slipped my mind, and now the thread is locked.

Yeah, but even if you make good points, if you say them in a way the triggers the opposition reflex of the other Gal Sentinels, then their reaction completely undermines you argument. Sometimes being antagonistic is counter productive.

Fox's idea with rep buff isn't thought out enough.

If Gals get a rep bonus then they'll need to lose a little of something else - there is a 'somewhat' balance CCP tried to hit between the suits, and you have to consider how OP reps can be in the right hands. the EHP value of the suit would need readjusting and considering.

And, honestly, all the suits need a rep buff and armor nerf, over-all. Bring each suit down by 70-90 health, add 1-2 reps, then give Gal and extra 2-3 more and replace some of it's shield for more armor to level out it's EHP values.

This would level the playing field between it and the Amarr, which would in turn make it more viable over-all in the few roles it can properly set itself for.

It doesn't have the stamina to put the lows to real use - so it's only real purpose would be holding a point. Gal should be the most self-sufficient of the heavy suits - but it's the opposite, and any solution that we can think of should consider that as there 'speciality' role to achieve for heavies.

In all honesty the best solution is switch back the Amarr and Gal slots - it would pretty much even the playing field between Gal, Amarr, and Cal.

Your proposed solution has merit, but changes a lot of variables. The four Sentinel suits are quite well balanced right now, with the Gal Sent just slightly behind the other three. Changing so many variables will likely have unforeseen consequences which might well lead to a worse balance situation than what we have now.

Adding 2 HP/sev native rep does not need to be balanced with a nerf. The lack of Stamina balances it, along with several other factors. If you want to be more mobile, add a Cardiac Regulator (green bottle). Gal Sent has enough low slots to add a green bottle, but you have to give up something else to do so. Versatility comes with sacrifice. You can stack lots of Rep or lots of Armor, but you will be stuck with point defense, or you can sacrifice some rep, or some armor, and have enough stamina to move between objectives effectively.


While this would help to resolve the balance issue, I don't like how it meshes (or does not mesh) into the large meta tactics of the Factions.

The Amarr's EHP is actually the highest atm. Amarr Sent users have no room to complain if they made this switch back on those basis, they'd still have the highest EHP values, they'd just lose there ability to overspecialize. And i find that a good thing for the meta of the game - heavies really take away from the fun of this game when spammed because it can be mobile or overly self-sufficient with the best DPS and health in the game

But the Amarr suit has plenty going for it - and having the highest stamina + highest armor + 4 lows was always, always a bad idea. Sometimes i wish i could have 1v1's with Rat to figure out what direction he was heading with some of these changes.

It made more sense with Gal - it still wouldn't be a viable armor stacker with low stamina, and it could finally achieve reps that, with 640 base armor, wouldn't feel too OP or un-counterable.

CCP could even take a bit of a risk, replace the Armor for Shiled on the Gal instead, make it's total armor HP 450, and give it a base natural 10 reps. With it's hitbox, speed, and low health paired with high rep and 3 lows you could have a very interesting yet not OP suit.

An argument could be made that any Sentinel with 4 low slots will have the advantage over other Sentinels.

I would be fine with giving both the Amarr and Gallente the same 2 high / 3 low slot layout at Proto, but giving the Gal Sent 2 more HP/Sec native Rep, and giving the Amarr a bit more Armor (yes I know they already have the most, but by losing a low they would be losing their current max potential). This would allow both suits to follow their Factional preference of Reps for Gallente, and Armor for Amarr, while taking away a little of the Min/Max potential and flexibility that the 4 low slots gives the Amarr Sent currently.

Because of how it's base stats are set up any heavy beats it 1v1 with no mods on. Now fully set up all slots - and make the Gal put on a green bottle. You had to sacrifice that slot to get that movement - while the Amarr, Caldari, and Minmtar, didn't. They can put on more reps or armor, no sacrifice needed for them.

I know it is just being a stickler for detail, but the Caldari Sent has worse stamina than the Gal Sent, and has to give up its only low slot to be at all mobile.