DUST Search - Announcement:Dev Blog: Uprising 1.10 Overview & Patch Notes

Terry Webber wrote:

Sequal Rise wrote:

As usual in every single updates you do there are many great things (all these things about scans, missions, depot, etc.), but they are all the time screwed up by ONE thing. And this time, it's this bandwidth system.

I wish you could open your eyes, play the game for real and remove this idea before it's too late..

You will destroy useful player's experience with that sh*t.

Let me explain why with a basic example:
At the beggining of a Dom/Skirm, I go with a minlogi filled with kincats/regs and proxies. I put my 15 proxies on the ground to make sure that the tank dies on it. Then I change my suit at the depot because it's useless for combat. I usually go for uplinks, put them in good places, and then switch to my assault suit. This way I can provide good spawns for my team, and do a great AV job with the proxies. I didn't spam at all, I just used the equipment that are needed to win.

Now with the new bandwidth system, I could only put my 15 proxies, and then be stuck in my suit, or another logi not made for combat. I couldn't use the uplinks I skilled in or the nanohives I maxed too. I'll be FORCED to play with my logi suit, by taking a great care NOT USING MY EQUIPMENTS! Or others will disapear!

I hope this example (among many others) shows you how broken the system is, and how it must NOT be implemented. We don't need it, the game has many flaws but not this one. It will not change anything about lags. If 3 players put 6 nano on the ground each, it'll still lag bandwidth or not.

If you want to decrease lags, don't break the game and buy new servers.

TL;DR
Don't implement the Bandwidth system as it'll break useful player's experience and won't reduce lags. Logistic role has many aspect using different types of equipments, this will stick him to one purpose the whole match...

Then if it causes any problems, CCP will fix them. There's no need to get so upset.

Open-Beta Vet.
Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.

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CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 12709	Posted - 2014.12.03 09:59:00 - [151] - Quote Ramux PATAPON wrote: Translated into Japanese. http://ramuxumar.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-114.html Amazing, thanks so much for that! "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

thehellisgoingon The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 23	Posted - 2014.12.03 11:14:00 - [152] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: CCP Frame wrote: Hello everyone, On 9th of December, DUST 514-« will be updated with the release of Uprising 1.10. This update will add a number of features and changes specifically requested by the community and here you will find a brief explanation on the biggest upcoming changes: * New Orbital Strikes in Public Contracts, Small EMP Strike, Large EMP Strike and Laser Strike * New Visual Effects * Daily Missions and Rewards * Loyalty Ranks displayed in the Kill Feed * Encrypted Strongboxes with rare gear * Gameplay Experience Improvements, Equipment Bandwidth & Scan Changes + DUST 514 Development Roadmap, Trello board for your feedback, and much more! Read on! And feel free to leave your comment in this thread :) hey frame... Ripley Riley wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: 501st Headstrong wrote: 2 GRENADES!!! ...There are no suits with two grenades.... Dated Nov 14. Where has CCP Logibro gone?! WHEN?! i want 2x grenade on assault suits! and logi suits! I want a 3rd equipment slot on my scout. And a 2nd sidearm. And/or the option to run with a hmg. That'll do pig. That'll do.
Skybladev2 LUX AETERNA INT RUST415 135	Posted - 2014.12.03 11:41:00 - [153] - Quote Can you make a description inside Trello cards or insert links to related forum topics? Because just name of card does not always give enough information about the feature. <[^_^]>
Brush Master Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1344	Posted - 2014.12.03 14:34:00 - [154] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: To clarify, players can request to be a part of the Community Crowdsourcing Trello by sending an email to [email protected]. Then they can add ideas directly to the Board. What is ETA on getting approved? I applied 22 hours ago. Dust Veteran. June 2012 - ? True Logi. Flying DS from the start. @dustreports
iKILLu osborne Titans of Phoenix 495	Posted - 2014.12.03 15:42:00 - [155] - Quote any chance of addin the rest of the lp gear in 1.10 if you shoot me from the redline i will ensure your death will be a swift one
poison Diego Titans of Phoenix 505	Posted - 2014.12.03 15:46:00 - [156] - Quote Rattati and co, could you update the EWAR spreadsheet please? so we know the final and definite numbers and can work my own fits and spreadsheet from that. Tilgangur lífsins? . Hvernig sem litið er á það þá er Nýja Eden bara byrjunin.
Kayla Michael Tactical Logistics and Cargo Northern Associates. 36	Posted - 2014.12.03 16:05:00 - [157] - Quote 1.10 Was out of nowhere, like s scout.
Brush Master Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1347	Posted - 2014.12.03 17:47:00 - [158] - Quote for Community Crowdsourcing Trello I would suggest adding a section where we can talk about installations/crus/depots. I see game modes but not much about maps. Dust Veteran. June 2012 - ? True Logi. Flying DS from the start. @dustreports
1913 DfLo ScReWeD uP InC 87	Posted - 2014.12.03 17:56:00 - [159] - Quote Sounds very awesome. Now just counting down the days. Thanks CCP Gang. *ScReWeD uP InC* *Recruit BPO's*
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 581	Posted - 2014.12.03 18:24:00 - [160] - Quote Some Good Stuff, some not so much. Regardless, Thank You again, Dev Teams, for continuing to try to create and refine your arts and our universe. At this point the only real feedback I have on 1.10 is that Logi BW should be normalized across the races, we're already losing capability with BW being introduced at all, creating discrepancies between the class members as well just weakens the overall role further. YES, I should be able to drop with my Cal and rep with my Min without losing my equipment. The Cal bonus already disappears with the switch. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.

Ratticate Y.A.M.A.H 0	Posted - 2014.12.03 18:27:00 - [161] - Quote Looks like some very good work CCP, just some quick concerns As a dedicated Amarrian Commando the equipment bandwidth does not effect me much but it seems that it may make the Amarr and Caldari logi die out with the limited deploying capability they have. I sympathize for those logis that are crying out and not wanting this to happen but I do not want to take a definite stand until this actually releases. On a side note, as a laser rifler, I can not wait to see the color change to the beam (I always thought the yellow beam just seemed a bit dull.) A proud member of the Y.A.M.A.H. corporation, apply today to one of the fastest growing corps out there!
Dauth Jenkins Titans of Phoenix 571	Posted - 2014.12.03 18:36:00 - [162] - Quote Pope Chester wrote: hfderrtgvcd wrote: Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote: "Enemy orientation has been removed from all scan results as it was deemed too powerful" There is more players playing as Heavy, Assault, Logistics in this game then Scouts, for with ones this change is life or dead change. Is this is how crowd sourcing should work? If you are really that good at listen to the opinion of the crowd the next 'thing' touched by CCP will be removing RE from the game. In the name of all Scouts I'm sincerely thank you for removing mechanic that kept '250HP' Scouts alive in this game. As a long time scout, htfu and use your eyes. I have no using my eyes. I have a problem spacing into EWAR when I have only 8 mil so and now it's worthless Thats how pilots felt after ADS was nerfed, and swarms were buffed. -Sincerely --The Dual Swarm Commando
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 581	Posted - 2014.12.03 18:41:00 - [163] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: There is a simple solution. Build a slayer logi fit that you use when you want to preserve your equipment. Exactly. So, for those new to the convo, BW=SlayerLogis. We'll have a dropping fit and a slaying fit and after a day or two we'll combine them into one suit, a slayerlogi with some equipment, maybe. Ah, progress. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 581	Posted - 2014.12.03 18:54:00 - [164] - Quote Terry Webber wrote: Sequal Rise wrote: As usual in every single updates you do there are many great things (all these things about scans, missions, depot, etc.), but they are all the time screwed up by ONE thing. And this time, it's this bandwidth system. I wish you could open your eyes, play the game for real and remove this idea before it's too late.. You will destroy useful player's experience with that sh*t. Let me explain why with a basic example: At the beggining of a Dom/Skirm, I go with a minlogi filled with kincats/regs and proxies. I put my 15 proxies on the ground to make sure that the tank dies on it. Then I change my suit at the depot because it's useless for combat. I usually go for uplinks, put them in good places, and then switch to my assault suit. This way I can provide good spawns for my team, and do a great AV job with the proxies. I didn't spam at all, I just used the equipment that are needed to win. Now with the new bandwidth system, I could only put my 15 proxies, and then be stuck in my suit, or another logi not made for combat. I couldn't use the uplinks I skilled in or the nanohives I maxed too. I'll be FORCED to play with my logi suit, by taking a great care NOT USING MY EQUIPMENTS! Or others will disapear! I hope this example (among many others) shows you how broken the system is, and how it must NOT be implemented. We don't need it, the game has many flaws but not this one. It will not change anything about lags. If 3 players put 6 nano on the ground each, it'll still lag bandwidth or not. If you want to decrease lags, don't break the game and buy new servers. TL;DR Don't implement the Bandwidth system as it'll break useful player's experience and won't reduce lags. Logistic role has many aspect using different types of equipments, this will stick him to one purpose the whole match... Then if it causes any problems, CCP will fix them. There's no need to get so upset. I don't think you're realizing however that BW is an attempt at fixing a problem (spam that creates lag) that clearly creates problems but doesn't as clearly solve the problem it's supposed to address. And definitely doesn't solve the problem as clearly as other options to address said problem could have (limits around depots, action trackers, FF ON vs equip in all modes etc.) without also creating similarly detrimental side-effects. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
Hyuan BubblePOP Uber Wanabes 18	Posted - 2014.12.03 19:18:00 - [165] - Quote fix the abuse players do @ supply depots when someones tries to hack it, the team with the supply depot can cancel the hack by accessing the supply depot. :(
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3957	Posted - 2014.12.03 19:22:00 - [166] - Quote As a side note, I'm curious if Scrambler/LR beams are going to be changing as you move up tiers, are going to have fixed colors, or... what. I always loved the color variety in crystals for the lasers in EVE. You could have a bank of rainbow cannons on the broadside of your ship. Dren&Templar Tragedy.
Vell0cet Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 2634	Posted - 2014.12.03 19:47:00 - [167] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: Vell0cet wrote: There is a simple solution. Build a slayer logi fit that you use when you want to preserve your equipment. Exactly. So, for those new to the convo, BW=SlayerLogis. We'll have a dropping fit and a slaying fit and after a day or two we'll combine them into one suit, a slayerlogi with some equipment, maybe. Ah, progress. I think most will have multiple fits. I don't have a problem with slayer logis. The "slayer logi issue" back in the day was they were better assaults than assaults suits. This is no longer the case, and therefore isn't a problem. Now you'll have the choice to drop lots of equipment and use that suit, or switch suits to 1. a slayer (or AV) fit that will be less effective than assault, but still provide excellent support for your team through equipment and is still a reasonably effective slayer; 2. a repper/revive fit to support team; 3. Sacrifice SOME equipment and switch to a lower BW suit like an assault if that is more useful to you, or 4. sacrifice all equipment and swap into a Sentinel. You can always switch back and drop more equipment if that becomes a priority. The point is you have many options, and with less equipment on the field, those that do run dedicated logi should see a significant buff to WPs since they're not competing with "tourist logis." This is an excellent change. Best PvE idea ever!
Rynx Sinfar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1303	Posted - 2014.12.03 19:48:00 - [168] - Quote Hi again. Feedback on the presentation like last time. This post is meant to get people excited for new content, get people logging in, etc etc. This image looks like the text was written by a developer to give someone a rough idea of the setup. For my own work I would send this to someone when asking for what they wanted the actual text to say. From the looks of it they wrote it in pretty quickly or they have a limited English vocabulary. Examples being bland names, poor grammar, inconsistent capitalization, and awkward phrasing. Do we win Skillpoints and Warpoints? I must be a big winner then because every two weeks I win money from my employer. I assume there is some sort of review before blog posts are made. Please review image text just as carefully. Do I really need to talk about properly reviewing official announcements to a company whose primary game groups players like businesses? I was very eager to see what kind of missions you would be offering and ended up re-reading them because I wasn't sure if I was looking at them right. Confusion is a nice way to dampen excitement. My confusion was from a mixture of several things: There are two different kinds of missions involving skillpoints, but the phrasing is extremely similar The awkward phrasing I mentioned made question if I was reading things wrong as other inconsistencies were found The posts are in a random order. Duplicate missions are separated where I would assume they would be grouped. Let's talk about the random order thing again. I also brought it up when you were showing game data regarding prototype rifles. Do you have a drawer for your silverware? Does this drawer have something in there so that there are separate places for knives, forks, and spoons? Do you just mix those up for fun? I keep feeling like you guys are walking into a store where there is a line, going next to a random person... and then you all just find random places in the store to just lay down on the ground. Why? You literally need to go against human nature for this disorganization. Tell you what. Go here and be happy among your people. I am assuming these are placeholder missions and that there will be more variety. If they aren't then... idk. Take drugs maybe. I don't advocate them but that is some watered down vanilla ice cream. It would essentially be categories of "play game", "play game lots", and "play a game good". But again I think these are placeholders. That said why would show us a screen with 7 examples but only 4 missions? Well 3.5 technically since the Skillpoint ones are pretty much identical. Did you not think we'd read the missions? Are these particular missions meant to be interesting? No destroying vehicles? No healing/reviving teammates? No assists? No point capture? No "Earn 300 WP while defending an objective"? You're including that feature! Highlight it! Lastly (and not something I take much issue with) is this image. While I am thrilled that when this releases in a week there will be reference material for where you can find it in your inventroy it isn't particularly exciting. What's it look like when you open it? Is there an animation? Some sense of anticipation? This image looks fun. A screen showing inventory is generally not. I know its only vanilla icecream in comparison but put some freaking sprinkles on it or something. Geez. Also some people may remark on my own grammar in light of my criticisms. Yes. You are correct. In fact the method I identify poor writing is by comparing it to my own. No one has ever said anything positive about my writing concerning its form. if I am identifying issues that you can be sure you do have issues.
Rynx Sinfar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1303	Posted - 2014.12.03 19:53:00 - [169] - Quote Now is the part where I discuss the UI and get angry again. We're also going back to this guy Look at number 6. Who okayed that? Who said "Yeah the description on that one looks fine to show to everyone". The description is the same as the name. Thanks. I was super confused but the description really cleared things up. Before I continue, also get rid of the "(s)". It's 2014 and this is software that needs to be visually appealing. You modify the word based on the number. Do you know the only helpful word in any of those descriptions? The word "gallantly". Why? Because it is the only word that isn't pointless. I think it should be replaced with something better suited but the fact remains. The Daily Mission screen is not where people need to learn about how to get SP/WP. The word "gallantly" is the only word meant to add flavor and unless a mission is added that needs explanation that is the only thing that should be in there. That said do you know what I'm not big on seeing when I need to reference something daily? Cluttered text. Either expand it when I select it or lose it and oh my god is number 1 and 5's title color the same as the description text? No, its just incredibly close. Why? What is this evil inside you? Moving on... if you want to keep the descriptions and need flavor. Gee if only you had some sort of culture to reference for that? Cultures where each would view the needs and actions of these missions differently. If only these missions weren't assigned by the invisible god Mtnoos who inflicts a terrible vengeance on these lands. Leaving them on our doorsteps while we sleep like some sort of chaotic santa clause. (Not criticism but I imagine it must be frustrating earning LP for factions that constantly lose. Might be nice if earning WP for a faction could give you a limited number of missions the next day from that faction where you could earn their LP. Maybe have those missions only be completable in FW. You could list it where you list Skillpoints since none of the missions you show actually grant SP) The mission names only eat up real estate. Do you think anyone is going to remember which is which or refer to them like that? Am I going to say "I have two hero missions today" to a friend or am I going to say "I have 3 SP missions, 2 WP missions left today". It's just clutter. Status isn't super helpful either. Regardless of how the Mission column is handled you still have to have a certain amount of height for the rewards. Use it. The math is simple but why not include it? Show much on the next line what percent complete the mission is. Maybe show the number for how much more I need. For the status of number 4 does it show the closest you've gotten to winning enough SP in one battle? Use that extra line of space to mark it as "closest attempt" or something. And if you can do so then add the units too. 0/99 what? Yeah I only need to look to the left to check (and frankly if you didn't shuffle your lists like a blackjack dealer it would matter less) but none of this is meant to be critical. This isn't a failure its simply sloppy. Next lets talk sorting. It looks like three of the columns can be sorted. We've already reviewed the default silverware drawer sort method used. Let's look at what the player can apparently click based on the little arrows. First sorting is mission. Apparently I can sort my missions alphabetically. This is the only purpose for the names. However with 10 items in the list I'll never actually want them alphabetical. I will just want them grouped together. Next we have Status. If Status isn't being sorted by percent complete I will fly there and throw eggs at your office windows. I will legitimately play on patch day just to look at this. If I am at 8/9 wins, and at 9,000/13,999 SP earned for the day, and that 9,000 is sorted as being higher on the list than the 8/9 then I will book a plane ticket. Last is Rewards. Being generous you are showing 3 different values in this column that do not have a set rate of conversion. I'm guessing you'll just make up numbers for a rough conversion and call it close enough. That's fine as I don't think anyone is going to bother using it after trying it once or twice. What someone might use is a sorting method based on a difficulty scale. It might be helpful since mission difficulty at a glance is not easily distinguishable compared to rewards. Looking at this screen I can quickly and easily get a rough estimate at the value of mission rewards (depending on weapon quality). At the very least I can quickly identify things I most want (therefore value more). Doing so with missions will likely be much more difficult. Sorting by difficulty then lets me look and see how the rewards stack up compared to that difficulty. I didn't really give suggestions for how to improve it. There are plenty but I can't identify the ones that can be done efficiently. My actual suggestion would be "do it right the first time". Its one of those things where changing one item requires a small change in the other. If it dominoes enough then you're looking at putting in nearly as much as you did to start off with. The only thing you would have needed to improve it would have been some attention to detail. Look at each part on that UI and ask yourself what information people will need the most frequently. Why do they need it? Can we make it easier to find the information they are looking for? What will be needed the least? Is Ryox Sinfar going to come egg our offices if we release this? These are simple questions anyone should ask themselves. Not in the pursuit of something perfect, just to avoid something poor. P.S. Congratulations on the positive review
Boot Booter Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 1039	Posted - 2014.12.03 20:07:00 - [170] - Quote Hey about the bandwidth equipment thing. Is there going to be a new display on the hud that shows how much bandwidth we have remaining, perhaps in the form of a gauge that fills up when we deploy equipment (with a number beside it). This kind of information would be crucial for logis, make our lives easier, and give new players some idea as to why their equipment is disappearing.

el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 584	Posted - 2014.12.03 20:15:00 - [171] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: Hey about the bandwidth equipment thing. Is there going to be a new display on the hud that shows how much bandwidth we have remaining, perhaps in the form of a gauge that fills up when we deploy equipment (with a number beside it). This kind of information would be crucial for logis, make our lives easier, and give new players some idea as to why their equipment is disappearing. Probably not. Because, y'know, feedback and stuff... Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 585	Posted - 2014.12.03 20:30:00 - [172] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: Vell0cet wrote: There is a simple solution. Build a slayer logi fit that you use when you want to preserve your equipment. Exactly. So, for those new to the convo, BW=SlayerLogis. We'll have a dropping fit and a slaying fit and after a day or two we'll combine them into one suit, a slayerlogi with some equipment, maybe. Ah, progress. I think most will have multiple fits. I don't have a problem with slayer logis. The "slayer logi issue" back in the day was they were better assaults than assaults suits. This is no longer the case, and therefore isn't a problem. Now you'll have the choice to drop lots of equipment and use that suit, or switch suits to 1. a slayer (or AV) fit that will be less effective than assault, but still provide excellent support for your team through equipment and is still a reasonably effective slayer; 2. a repper/revive fit to support team; 3. Sacrifice SOME equipment and switch to a lower BW suit like an assault if that is more useful to you, or 4. sacrifice all equipment and swap into a Sentinel. You can always switch back and drop more equipment if that becomes a priority. The point is you have many options, and with less equipment on the field, those that do run dedicated logi should see a significant buff to WPs since they're not competing with "tourist logis." This is an excellent change. I'm all for eliminating tourist logis, read the Logistics Support CPM thread for my input on that. My point is and has been that while yes I have options, I have fewer now than I did. And that shouldn't be the case. And my best option, which I have always avoided, is to run dedicated slayerfits on my Logis. Which also shouldn't be the case. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
zzZaXxx The Exemplars 686	Posted - 2014.12.03 20:51:00 - [173] - Quote Thanks for the fitting window info. Now I don't have to use protofits all the time. But please include weapons' optimal and effective ranges! This is very important info!!!!!!!!!!!
Vell0cet Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 2635	Posted - 2014.12.03 21:20:00 - [174] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: Vell0cet wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: Vell0cet wrote: There is a simple solution. Build a slayer logi fit that you use when you want to preserve your equipment. Exactly. So, for those new to the convo, BW=SlayerLogis. We'll have a dropping fit and a slaying fit and after a day or two we'll combine them into one suit, a slayerlogi with some equipment, maybe. Ah, progress. I think most will have multiple fits. I don't have a problem with slayer logis. The "slayer logi issue" back in the day was they were better assaults than assaults suits. This is no longer the case, and therefore isn't a problem. Now you'll have the choice to drop lots of equipment and use that suit, or switch suits to 1. a slayer (or AV) fit that will be less effective than assault, but still provide excellent support for your team through equipment and is still a reasonably effective slayer; 2. a repper/revive fit to support team; 3. Sacrifice SOME equipment and switch to a lower BW suit like an assault if that is more useful to you, or 4. sacrifice all equipment and swap into a Sentinel. You can always switch back and drop more equipment if that becomes a priority. The point is you have many options, and with less equipment on the field, those that do run dedicated logi should see a significant buff to WPs since they're not competing with "tourist logis." This is an excellent change. I'm all for eliminating tourist logis, read the Logistics Support CPM thread for my input on that. My point is and has been that while yes I have options, I have fewer now than I did. And that shouldn't be the case. And my best option, which I have always avoided, is to run dedicated slayerfits on my Logis. Which also shouldn't be the case. So what options go away besides being a tourist logi? Best PvE idea ever!
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 586	Posted - 2014.12.03 21:30:00 - [175] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: Vell0cet wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: Vell0cet wrote: There is a simple solution. Build a slayer logi fit that you use when you want to preserve your equipment. Exactly. So, for those new to the convo, BW=SlayerLogis. We'll have a dropping fit and a slaying fit and after a day or two we'll combine them into one suit, a slayerlogi with some equipment, maybe. Ah, progress. I think most will have multiple fits. I don't have a problem with slayer logis. The "slayer logi issue" back in the day was they were better assaults than assaults suits. This is no longer the case, and therefore isn't a problem. Now you'll have the choice to drop lots of equipment and use that suit, or switch suits to 1. a slayer (or AV) fit that will be less effective than assault, but still provide excellent support for your team through equipment and is still a reasonably effective slayer; 2. a repper/revive fit to support team; 3. Sacrifice SOME equipment and switch to a lower BW suit like an assault if that is more useful to you, or 4. sacrifice all equipment and swap into a Sentinel. You can always switch back and drop more equipment if that becomes a priority. The point is you have many options, and with less equipment on the field, those that do run dedicated logi should see a significant buff to WPs since they're not competing with "tourist logis." This is an excellent change. I'm all for eliminating tourist logis, read the Logistics Support CPM thread for my input on that. My point is and has been that while yes I have options, I have fewer now than I did. And that shouldn't be the case. And my best option, which I have always avoided, is to run dedicated slayerfits on my Logis. Which also shouldn't be the case. So what options go away besides being a tourist logi? Any one that requires anything more than babysitting. Oh, and NOT slaying from a Logi suit. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
Vell0cet Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 2636	Posted - 2014.12.03 21:53:00 - [176] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: Vell0cet wrote: So what options go away besides being a tourist logi? Any one that requires anything more than babysitting. Oh, and NOT slaying from a Logi suit. it sounds like you're upset that you can't be a tourist logi... Best PvE idea ever!
Meee One Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki 1360	Posted - 2014.12.03 21:57:00 - [177] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: Vell0cet wrote: So what options go away besides being a tourist logi? Any one that requires anything more than babysitting. Oh, and NOT slaying from a Logi suit. Then you,my good sir,are in the wrong role. Killing is for self defense,in logistics case. If you feel compelled to kill,you may want to switch to assaults. I however will continue being a real logibro,using my allies as meat shields,and having them kill things for me.(as it was intended) Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 591	Posted - 2014.12.03 22:00:00 - [178] - Quote Meee One wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: Vell0cet wrote: So what options go away besides being a tourist logi? Any one that requires anything more than babysitting. Oh, and NOT slaying from a Logi suit. Then you,my good sir,are in the wrong role. Killing is for self defense,in logistics case. If you feel compelled to kill,you may want to switch to assaults. I however will continue being a real logibro,using my allies as meat shields,and having them kill things for me.(as it was intended) And I will continue as well. Albeit neutered except in incidents of blobbing, which is the playstyle now predetermined for Logistics. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 591	Posted - 2014.12.03 22:01:00 - [179] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: Vell0cet wrote: So what options go away besides being a tourist logi? Any one that requires anything more than babysitting. Oh, and NOT slaying from a Logi suit. it sounds like you're upset that you can't be a tourist logi... Sounds like you don't actually have anything to supplant what I've said. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3958	Posted - 2014.12.03 22:02:00 - [180] - Quote Rynx Sinfar wrote: Leaving them on our doorsteps while we sleep like some sort of chaotic santa clause. Good to see you, Rynx. Dren&Templar Tragedy.



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