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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2014.12.03 18:24:00 -
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Some Good Stuff, some not so much. Regardless, Thank You again, Dev Teams, for continuing to try to create and refine your arts and our universe.
At this point the only real feedback I have on 1.10 is that Logi BW should be normalized across the races, we're already losing capability with BW being introduced at all, creating discrepancies between the class members as well just weakens the overall role further. YES, I should be able to drop with my Cal and rep with my Min without losing my equipment. The Cal bonus already disappears with the switch.
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2014.12.03 18:41:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote:
There is a simple solution. Build a slayer logi fit that you use when you want to preserve your equipment.
Exactly.
So, for those new to the convo, BW=SlayerLogis.
We'll have a dropping fit and a slaying fit and after a day or two we'll combine them into one suit, a slayerlogi with some equipment, maybe.
Ah, progress.
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2014.12.03 18:54:00 -
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Terry Webber wrote:Sequal Rise wrote:As usual in every single updates you do there are many great things (all these things about scans, missions, depot, etc.), but they are all the time screwed up by ONE thing. And this time, it's this bandwidth system.
I wish you could open your eyes, play the game for real and remove this idea before it's too late..
You will destroy useful player's experience with that sh*t.
Let me explain why with a basic example:
At the beggining of a Dom/Skirm, I go with a minlogi filled with kincats/regs and proxies. I put my 15 proxies on the ground to make sure that the tank dies on it. Then I change my suit at the depot because it's useless for combat. I usually go for uplinks, put them in good places, and then switch to my assault suit. This way I can provide good spawns for my team, and do a great AV job with the proxies. I didn't spam at all, I just used the equipment that are needed to win.
Now with the new bandwidth system, I could only put my 15 proxies, and then be stuck in my suit, or another logi not made for combat. I couldn't use the uplinks I skilled in or the nanohives I maxed too. I'll be FORCED to play with my logi suit, by taking a great care NOT USING MY EQUIPMENTS! Or others will disapear!
I hope this example (among many others) shows you how broken the system is, and how it must NOT be implemented. We don't need it, the game has many flaws but not this one. It will not change anything about lags. If 3 players put 6 nano on the ground each, it'll still lag bandwidth or not.
If you want to decrease lags, don't break the game and buy new servers.
TL;DR
Don't implement the Bandwidth system as it'll break useful player's experience and won't reduce lags. Logistic role has many aspect using different types of equipments, this will stick him to one purpose the whole match... Then if it causes any problems, CCP will fix them. There's no need to get so upset.
I don't think you're realizing however that BW is an attempt at fixing a problem (spam that creates lag) that clearly creates problems but doesn't as clearly solve the problem it's supposed to address. And definitely doesn't solve the problem as clearly as other options to address said problem could have (limits around depots, action trackers, FF ON vs equip in all modes etc.) without also creating similarly detrimental side-effects.
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2014.12.03 20:15:00 -
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Boot Booter wrote:Hey about the bandwidth equipment thing. Is there going to be a new display on the hud that shows how much bandwidth we have remaining, perhaps in the form of a gauge that fills up when we deploy equipment (with a number beside it). This kind of information would be crucial for logis, make our lives easier, and give new players some idea as to why their equipment is disappearing.
Probably not. Because, y'know, feedback and stuff...
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2014.12.03 20:30:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:Vell0cet wrote:
There is a simple solution. Build a slayer logi fit that you use when you want to preserve your equipment.
Exactly. So, for those new to the convo, BW=SlayerLogis. We'll have a dropping fit and a slaying fit and after a day or two we'll combine them into one suit, a slayerlogi with some equipment, maybe. Ah, progress. I think most will have multiple fits. I don't have a problem with slayer logis. The "slayer logi issue" back in the day was they were better assaults than assaults suits. This is no longer the case, and therefore isn't a problem. Now you'll have the choice to drop lots of equipment and use that suit, or switch suits to 1. a slayer (or AV) fit that will be less effective than assault, but still provide excellent support for your team through equipment and is still a reasonably effective slayer; 2. a repper/revive fit to support team; 3. Sacrifice SOME equipment and switch to a lower BW suit like an assault if that is more useful to you, or 4. sacrifice all equipment and swap into a Sentinel. You can always switch back and drop more equipment if that becomes a priority. The point is you have many options, and with less equipment on the field, those that do run dedicated logi should see a significant buff to WPs since they're not competing with "tourist logis." This is an excellent change.
I'm all for eliminating tourist logis, read the Logistics Support CPM thread for my input on that.
My point is and has been that while yes I have options, I have fewer now than I did. And that shouldn't be the case. And my best option, which I have always avoided, is to run dedicated slayerfits on my Logis. Which also shouldn't be the case.
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2014.12.03 21:30:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:Vell0cet wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:Vell0cet wrote:
There is a simple solution. Build a slayer logi fit that you use when you want to preserve your equipment.
Exactly. So, for those new to the convo, BW=SlayerLogis. We'll have a dropping fit and a slaying fit and after a day or two we'll combine them into one suit, a slayerlogi with some equipment, maybe. Ah, progress. I think most will have multiple fits. I don't have a problem with slayer logis. The "slayer logi issue" back in the day was they were better assaults than assaults suits. This is no longer the case, and therefore isn't a problem. Now you'll have the choice to drop lots of equipment and use that suit, or switch suits to 1. a slayer (or AV) fit that will be less effective than assault, but still provide excellent support for your team through equipment and is still a reasonably effective slayer; 2. a repper/revive fit to support team; 3. Sacrifice SOME equipment and switch to a lower BW suit like an assault if that is more useful to you, or 4. sacrifice all equipment and swap into a Sentinel. You can always switch back and drop more equipment if that becomes a priority. The point is you have many options, and with less equipment on the field, those that do run dedicated logi should see a significant buff to WPs since they're not competing with "tourist logis." This is an excellent change. I'm all for eliminating tourist logis, read the Logistics Support CPM thread for my input on that. My point is and has been that while yes I have options, I have fewer now than I did. And that shouldn't be the case. And my best option, which I have always avoided, is to run dedicated slayerfits on my Logis. Which also shouldn't be the case. So what options go away besides being a tourist logi?
Any one that requires anything more than babysitting. Oh, and NOT slaying from a Logi suit.
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2014.12.03 22:00:00 -
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Meee One wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:Vell0cet wrote:
So what options go away besides being a tourist logi?
Any one that requires anything more than babysitting. Oh, and NOT slaying from a Logi suit. Then you,my good sir,are in the wrong role. Killing is for self defense,in logistics case. If you feel compelled to kill,you may want to switch to assaults. I however will continue being a real logibro,using my allies as meat shields,and having them kill things for me.(as it was intended) 
And I will continue as well. Albeit neutered except in incidents of blobbing, which is the playstyle now predetermined for Logistics.
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2014.12.03 22:01:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:Vell0cet wrote:
So what options go away besides being a tourist logi?
Any one that requires anything more than babysitting. Oh, and NOT slaying from a Logi suit. it sounds like you're upset that you can't be a tourist logi...
Sounds like you don't actually have anything to supplant what I've said.
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2014.12.03 22:02:00 -
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Posted - 2014.12.03 22:51:00 -
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Meee One wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:Meee One wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:Vell0cet wrote:
So what options go away besides being a tourist logi?
Any one that requires anything more than babysitting. Oh, and NOT slaying from a Logi suit. Then you,my good sir,are in the wrong role. Killing is for self defense,in logistics case. If you feel compelled to kill,you may want to switch to assaults. I however will continue being a real logibro,using my allies as meat shields,and having them kill things for me.(as it was intended) And I will continue as well. Albeit neutered except in incidents of blobbing, which is the playstyle now predetermined for Logistics. Better a live blob than a dead one,amirite?
Sure. And there's more to battlefield logistics than just being the soft center of a donutblob. I mean, there was more.
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2014.12.03 23:03:00 -
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Meee One wrote:Vell0cet wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:Vell0cet wrote:
So what options go away besides being a tourist logi?
Any one that requires anything more than babysitting. Oh, and NOT slaying from a Logi suit. it sounds like you're upset that you can't be a tourist logi... I've noticed "true logis" have some of the most ridiculous excuses for disliking BW. "But i can't use 30 pieces of equipment by myself,imma throw a tantrum and kill stuff" -They forget they are part of a team,and should let their team help too -Even if the team is bad,it still shouldn't be allowed "But logistics users who want to switch suits to help" -Those aren't logibros,those are other roles trying to look like logibros,real logibros wouldn't switch unless it's to refill equipment on their current suit. "REs and Proxies should be immune from BW" -the explosive itself doesn't need BW i'll admit,but the charging device to set it off would. -stop trying to get scouts immune from BW
Just as I noticed "true logis" having ridiculous excuses as to why they liked BW.
"Well, it nerfs us but nerfs everyone else more!"
Exactly, its a nerf. And a nerf whose redemption is that is nerfs everyone is still a NERF.
"Well, this will make Logis more valuable and inspire the mindless hordes to leap to our defense!!"
Not likely. What it WILL do is have tons of people floating around in non-support logi fits trying to preserve the BW of w/e they used earlier. And the hordes will leap to your defense when they get 60WP for a kill but 120WP for kills against those who threaten the logi.
"Well, this will make Logis respected!"
No, scrub. This will make you the waterboy bitchtard that you have been described as by every Slayer to ever play. You want respect? Earn that ****. And No, you're not going to earn it by limiting your capabilities on-field.
and so on and so forth...
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Posted - 2014.12.04 07:28:00 -
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Thokk Nightshade wrote:To all the logis QQ'ing about bandwidth, I have a question. Why? With an Advanced Cal Logi, I can drop 2 Triage Nanohives, 2 regular nanohives, and 2 RE's. If it is that big of deal to want to drop more stuff, get your Proto on. With that, you can drop pretty much whatever the hell you want.
Question, though. What is the bandwidth going to be for uplinks? I didn't see it on the overview.
Some answers are in the bandwidth feedback sticky in Features and Ideas. Or were, its locked now so may have been moved to the archives by now.
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2014.12.04 07:56:00 -
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Meee One wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:Meee One wrote:Vell0cet wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:
Any one that requires anything more than babysitting. Oh, and NOT slaying from a Logi suit.
it sounds like you're upset that you can't be a tourist logi... I've noticed "true logis" have some of the most ridiculous excuses for disliking BW. "But i can't use 30 pieces of equipment by myself,imma throw a tantrum and kill stuff" -They forget they are part of a team,and should let their team help too -Even if the team is bad,it still shouldn't be allowed "But logistics users who want to switch suits to help" -Those aren't logibros,those are other roles trying to look like logibros,real logibros wouldn't switch unless it's to refill equipment on their current suit. "REs and Proxies should be immune from BW" -the explosive itself doesn't need BW i'll admit,but the charging device to set it off would. -stop trying to get scouts immune from BW Just as I noticed "true logis" having ridiculous excuses as to why they liked BW. "Well, it nerfs us but nerfs everyone else more!" 1)Exactly, its a nerf. And a nerf whose redemption is that is nerfs everyone is still a NERF. "Well, this will make Logis more valuable and inspire the mindless hordes to leap to our defense!!" 2)Not likely. What it WILL do is have tons of people floating around in non-support logi fits trying to preserve the BW of w/e they used earlier.3) And the hordes will leap to your defense when they get 60WP for a kill but 120WP for kills against those who threaten the logi. "Well, this will make Logis respected!" 4)No, scrub. 5)This will make you the waterboy bitchtard that you have been described as by every Slayer to ever play. 6) You want respect? Earn that ****.And No, you're not going to earn it by limiting your capabilities on-field. and so on and so forth... 1)A nerf to spammers. Do you really need more than 8 uplinks in a dom? Or even a skirm? 2)They'll die ALOT trying to run a logistics like an assault + high costs = short stay 3)I've suggested 'supporting the support' WP incentives before,but my thread(s) got locked. 4)Yes,insults will make you seem 1000% more valid. 5)Logistics aren't waterboys? 5a)logistics reps (towels off) 5b)logistics refills (gives drinks) -Logistics ARE servants and are designed to serve other suits,however,this in no way makes them any less significant. 6)I,personally,never used more than 3-4 deployables at a time,so my 'capabilities' will be just fine. It's those that spam 20 uplinks in a small city area that'll be hurting. 6a)My suit already limits my abilities,or have you forgotten logistics have less eHP and less speed. 6b)My skill in making up for those lost abilities is what earns me respect,most can't or won't run logistics because they are so heavily gimped. We are getting off track,if you wish to continue this discussion,you know which thread i'll be monitoring. 
1. A nerf to everybody to nerf spammers = spammers win. A nerf to spammer that doesnt nerf the rest of us? That would = spammers lose.
2. They'll run as slayers, not assaults. I'd explain, but won't.
3. So, what does that tell you about BW?
4. Pump those brakes and slow that roll, thats not my insult to you. Thats an often phrased insult to US.
5+ Logistics is NOT servitude, bro. Yes, our functionality does include repair and resupply but it neither defines us nor should we be exclusively limited by that. YES logistics includes that. NO Logistics is not totally defined by that. I'm glad you've found a nice and cozy place for yourself solely supporting your squad by serving their direct momentary needs. I'm disappointed that in all the tme you've spent running "Logistics" you haven't yet seen or realized squad and team support outside of those moments and our place in those other areas. You want to be and are okay with being the waterboy? Fine by me. But don't make that your justification for ******* up my ability to do more. Chess, not Checkers, is why I'm here. Plenty of sandbox lobby shooters already exist, Tactical Strategy Shooters? Not so much and after BW not as much here either.
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