I actually fell out of my chair reading this. Thank you for that..

So I have been flying dropships for 2 days. And the CPM and CCP should be phucking ashamed of themselves. Me included. I apologize to pilots. I let you down. The ADS is useless. We can't even make a tank scared now. My missiles fire so slowly i'm just a noise in the air, nothing more. We tried to show the evidence to CCP, we tried to manage balance but the anti vehicles guys could not let their lack of experience and knowledge stop them from sticking their ignorant fingers into the mix.

Killing a Milita dropship in a proto ship is a 5 minute fight. Killing tanks is impossible unless they forget the redline exists. Round two; gloves off.

Questions:

1.) How much did you fly the ADS before the nerf?

2.) What was your average KDR in a dropship before nerf?

Thanks. I read the last 20 pages in General and feedback, and I just did not see enough support for the issues that were being raised,

20 mil in ads havent flown for 2 months. Cant wait til we get that respec im getting out of it so fast. Devs idea of an ads is decoration makes the battle look cooler like somethings actually going on. Shoot at it a couple times and get back to infantry fighting.

What else is new? Imagine what it was like -before- you came back and decided to sit down and read every single issue people raise. Seriously, the whole controversy with the CPM is that they don't represent the players and if you're just now realizing that the majority of the community simply doesn't get enough support/doesn't get heard I feel really bad for you now that you're actually on the CPM.

Then again, yanno, maybe if we had that ISD thingy I kept bitchin' for that no-one seemed/seems to care about... Maybe it wouldn't be so bad. We'd have volunteers that could actively speak for themselves. It's really not that illusive of a concept; unfortunately the powers that be (and those powers that were elected) just don't seem to honest-to-god give a **** about it or seem to outwardly oppose it.

See, an ideal CPM candidate (to me) knows who to talk to to get advice on a situation - they don't assume themselves to be the experts and they don't say, "Yo, come talk to me"; they -find- the people if they haven't already formed a relationship with them. There isn't any reason that a representative should still have to be forming relationships after they've been elected to get the needed things done. What we have, with the exception of two or three of the CPM Reps, are a handful of people that are taken aback at the fact that the community's voices aren't being heard or outright antagonize them for their differing opinions.

What is absolutely maddening is that this still comes as a surprise to me, but whatever.

Questions:

1.) How much did you fly the ADS before the nerf?

2.) What was your average KDR in a dropship before nerf?

Did you see that complaints about the bolt pistol? ... Too many things need to be addressed and they are slipping under the carpet.

Its funny how people complain about drop ships going 30 /0 when yesterday I say a heavy go 60/1. Going 30/0 is something many people do on a regular basis with militia shotguns. The whole being immune to 90% of the damage on the battlefield is also a falacy since every player has a free fit to deal with vehicles but choose not to use it. To add into that train of thought, being immune to 90% of DA!age on the fiepdm doesn't even matter when it only takes 1 swarmed or 1 forger to completely disable an ads from doingnits job and 2 synced av players to kill the vehicle quickly and be home for brunch.

I can also talk about specialization and that most pilots are completely specced into their role unlike the majority of the av coming into the forums to **** and moan about ads and how hard they are to kill.

A fully specced scout will wreck ****, a fully specced heavy will wreck ****, and so should a full specced ads.

I don't know the numbers rattati is using but, his numbers should also include so investment in terms of lethality and usefulness since skill are balanced based on the total advantage they give, that's why the have multipliers.

Anyways I am being very vague because every time I take the time to make a well thought out post all that happens is that troll come out and play and don't actually supply any logical or backed up arguments.

yadda yadda The whole being immune to 90% of the damage on the battlefield is also a falacy since every player has a free fit to deal with vehicles but choose not to use it. blah blah

Still want a response... what is an ADS supposed to do?

Im gonna tread carefully before going in depth with a reply. ADS feel fine to me but at the same time they dont. I personally think its to do with the ROF nerf rather than AV at this point.

1) A lot. Really. Lots

2) over 10 matches say 15 kills a match with a death every 3 matches. That's a 50 KDR- ish (in a dropship which I do not use all the time so game stats are not relational). P and L that is WORSE than a 39 000 ISK suit amarr assualt over the same match range, with a 10 kill per match rate and a 3 death per match. That amarr would have a 3.3 KDR

So I have been flying dropships for 2 days. And the CPM and CCP should be ashamed of themselves. Me included. I apologize to pilots. I let you down. The ADS is useless. We can't even make a tank scared now. My missiles fire so slowly i'm just a noise in the air, nothing more. We tried to show the evidence to CCP, we tried to manage balance but the anti vehicles guys could not let their lack of experience and knowledge stop them from sticking their ignorant fingers into the mix.

Killing a Milita dropship in a proto ship is a 5 minute fight. Killing tanks is impossible unless they forget the redline exists. Round two; gloves off.

Dropships are for transport..... everything else is just a bonus.

Stop trying to fly around in the air like vegeta, destroying everything in your path...

judge, can you please review the swarms and show that they are still making 90 degree turns and phasing through any obstacle they encounter- this was supposed to be implemented on top of their buff but they did not implement this, they only buffed the swarms without any rework of their physics, as promised..

How do I get my swarms to do that? I need to KNOW!

Dropships are for transport..... everything else is just a bonus.

Stop trying to fly around in the air like vegeta, destroying everything in your path...

So Wise people of GD... what is an ADS supposed to do, I mean an Item is balanced if it does it's role well and is able to do so. but you first need to define what THAT role is...

So what is the role of the ADS?

Also Arkena, pass the popcorn

to give people with no gungame something to do so they can feel important.