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ReGnYuM LEGENDof DEI Bragian Order Amarr Empire 48	Posted - 2014.10.20 22:56:00 - [31] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: If you think A good job was done with the Tank, the ADS and the AV then speak up. I think It sucks. Show me why it does not. After the release of Delta, Dust 514 has become more enjoyable and the overall experience feels better. The most noticeable change is that AV feels like a role, and not a sub-class. I could go on, but I will not because this a #MyFOTMGotNerfedThread and more importantly a #CryBabyThread. You pride yourself on approaching problems objectively, yet you make this kind of thread If you want real feedback then you know where to post and how to post
xavier zor G.L.O.R.Y Dark Taboo 89	Posted - 2014.10.20 22:58:00 - [32] - Quote steve0809 wrote: And a CPM member that only cares about his own play style and screw the rest ? I am sorry I voted for you I didn't know how to vote...but i would have voted for myself as i didn't know anyone on the forums at the time The problems mainly arouse with vehicles as many players use infantry and heaps of data is stored about infantry, but not nearly enough for vehicles because 3-4 people a match at most use them (appart from molone labe, nyain chan....dirty tankers) scout ck.0 here!
Vesta Opalus Bloodline Rebellion 76	Posted - 2014.10.20 23:02:00 - [33] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: The ADS is useless. We can't even make a tank scared now. Maybe you're just supposed to be a deterrent. I mean AV cant kill vehicles either and its totally OK, right? Just chase them off and you've done your job!
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2864	Posted - 2014.10.20 23:14:00 - [34] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: So I have been flying dropships for 2 days. And the CPM and CCP should be phucking ashamed of themselves. Me included. I apologize to pilots. I let you down. The ADS is useless. We can't even make a tank scared now. My missiles fire so slowly i'm just a noise in the air, nothing more. We tried to show the evidence to CCP, we tried to manage balance but the anti vehicles guys could not let their lack of experience and knowledge stop them from sticking their ignorant fingers into the mix. Killing a Milita dropship in a proto ship is a 5 minute fight. Killing tanks is impossible unless they forget the redline exists. Round two; gloves off. If I can I would like to get you into voice with whoever and discuss some things. As an AV player I have become less and less happy with the state of vehicles and I need to get some input on how to present this and not run crap numbers. Bluntly I think there are a few core design issues that clash with current stated objectives that are legacy problems from beta. Some of which I brought up but got shouted down on. I would like to talk. Dude. We are on voice together right now Email Me [email protected] Twitter @Judge_EVELegion
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13686	Posted - 2014.10.20 23:16:00 - [35] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: So I have been flying dropships for 2 days. And the CPM and CCP should be phucking ashamed of themselves. Me included. I apologize to pilots. I let you down. The ADS is useless. We can't even make a tank scared now. My missiles fire so slowly i'm just a noise in the air, nothing more. We tried to show the evidence to CCP, we tried to manage balance but the anti vehicles guys could not let their lack of experience and knowledge stop them from sticking their ignorant fingers into the mix. Killing a Milita dropship in a proto ship is a 5 minute fight. Killing tanks is impossible unless they forget the redline exists. Round two; gloves off. If I can I would like to get you into voice with whoever and discuss some things. As an AV player I have become less and less happy with the state of vehicles and I need to get some input on how to present this and not run crap numbers. Bluntly I think there are a few core design issues that clash with current stated objectives that are legacy problems from beta. Some of which I brought up but got shouted down on. I would like to talk. Dude. We are on voice together right now I would also like to talk vehicle balance.....more specifically making HAV feel like tanks and not having them continue to dominate infantry like they continue to do. ....unfortunately not able to make it to the console as of the moment. "We were commanded to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocents caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2868	Posted - 2014.10.20 23:19:00 - [36] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: So I have been flying dropships for 2 days. And the CPM and CCP should be phucking ashamed of themselves. Me included. I apologize to pilots. I let you down. The ADS is useless. We can't even make a tank scared now. My missiles fire so slowly i'm just a noise in the air, nothing more. We tried to show the evidence to CCP, we tried to manage balance but the anti vehicles guys could not let their lack of experience and knowledge stop them from sticking their ignorant fingers into the mix. Killing a Milita dropship in a proto ship is a 5 minute fight. Killing tanks is impossible unless they forget the redline exists. Round two; gloves off. If I can I would like to get you into voice with whoever and discuss some things. As an AV player I have become less and less happy with the state of vehicles and I need to get some input on how to present this and not run crap numbers. Bluntly I think there are a few core design issues that clash with current stated objectives that are legacy problems from beta. Some of which I brought up but got shouted down on. I would like to talk. Dude. We are on voice together right now I would also like to talk vehicle balance.....more specifically making HAV feel like tanks and not having them continue to dominate infantry like they continue to do. ....unfortunately not able to make it to the console as of the moment. Ill be in DEVHANGOUT tomorrow Email Me [email protected] Twitter @Judge_EVELegion
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Gentlemen's.Club 5524	Posted - 2014.10.20 23:20:00 - [37] - Quote I regret voting for the CPM, this thread makes me shake my head in disappointment. EVE 21 Day Trial Templar BPOs EVE 2nd decade CE items
REDBACK96USMC Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 106	Posted - 2014.10.20 23:25:00 - [38] - Quote Wow a cry baby thread from Judge. Who knew? As Rattati stated and as someone who espouses the importance of numbers: The numbers overwhelmingly showed the ADS was too OP. CPM had no say in the changes and shouldnt as long as you are on it.
Juno Tristan Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 107	Posted - 2014.10.20 23:27:00 - [39] - Quote REDBACK96USMC wrote: Wow a cry baby thread from Judge. Who knew? As Rattati stated and as someone who espouses the importance of numbers: The numbers overwhelmingly showed the ADS was too OP. CPM had no say in the changes and shouldnt as long as you are on it. What numbers?
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2868	Posted - 2014.10.20 23:27:00 - [40] - Quote REDBACK96USMC wrote: Wow a cry baby thread from Judge. Who knew? As Rattati stated and as someone who espouses the importance of numbers: The numbers overwhelmingly showed the ADS was too OP. CPM had no say in the changes and shouldnt as long as you are on it. Not a cry thread. A thread pointing out the reality. Things have gone off course. We need to swing it back. The numbers said one thing.. the action taken did not represent the best option based on the numbers. Email Me [email protected] Twitter @Judge_EVELegion

Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1299	Posted - 2014.10.20 23:34:00 - [41] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: So I have been flying dropships for 2 days. And the CPM and CCP should be phucking ashamed of themselves. Me included. I apologize to pilots. I let you down. The ADS is useless. We can't even make a tank scared now. My missiles fire so slowly i'm just a noise in the air, nothing more. We tried to show the evidence to CCP, we tried to manage balance but the anti vehicles guys could not let their lack of experience and knowledge stop them from sticking their ignorant fingers into the mix. Killing a Milita dropship in a proto ship is a 5 minute fight. Killing tanks is impossible unless they forget the redline exists. Round two; gloves off. welcome to being Mortal.. and if youve only been flying ads for 2 days you really are gonna suck as ads is a very heavy sp investment on both time, skill and SP.. so yeah.. instead of ranting, ask the pros.. as for MLT ship vs Protoship.. 1. ADS is still only a "standard" level of that ship type.. 2. Blaster = win vs other dropships (especially on incubus) 3. MLT is just standard with higher cpu and pg costs basically.. and finally.. GIT GUD! iv still seen ADS pilots wrecking face. [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1299	Posted - 2014.10.20 23:37:00 - [42] - Quote 7 Djin wrote: Buff the damage and hp of the ADS the damage was recently nerfed along with ROF.. buff the damage and missle ads will be the slayer gods they once were and then AV will need yet more buffs and tweeks [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2872	Posted - 2014.10.20 23:38:00 - [43] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: So I have been flying dropships for 2 days. And the CPM and CCP should be phucking ashamed of themselves. Me included. I apologize to pilots. I let you down. The ADS is useless. We can't even make a tank scared now. My missiles fire so slowly i'm just a noise in the air, nothing more. We tried to show the evidence to CCP, we tried to manage balance but the anti vehicles guys could not let their lack of experience and knowledge stop them from sticking their ignorant fingers into the mix. Killing a Milita dropship in a proto ship is a 5 minute fight. Killing tanks is impossible unless they forget the redline exists. Round two; gloves off. welcome to being Mortal.. and if youve only been flying ads for 2 days you really are gonna suck as ads is a very heavy sp investment on both time, skill and SP.. so yeah.. instead of ranting, ask the pros.. as for MLT ship vs Protoship.. 1. ADS is still only a "standard" level of that ship type.. 2. Blaster = win vs other dropships (especially on incubus) 3. MLT is just standard with higher cpu and pg costs basically.. and finally.. GIT GUD! iv still seen ADS pilots wrecking face. thanks. Email Me [email protected] Twitter @Judge_EVELegion
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13686	Posted - 2014.10.20 23:38:00 - [44] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: So I have been flying dropships for 2 days. And the CPM and CCP should be phucking ashamed of themselves. Me included. I apologize to pilots. I let you down. The ADS is useless. We can't even make a tank scared now. My missiles fire so slowly i'm just a noise in the air, nothing more. We tried to show the evidence to CCP, we tried to manage balance but the anti vehicles guys could not let their lack of experience and knowledge stop them from sticking their ignorant fingers into the mix. Killing a Milita dropship in a proto ship is a 5 minute fight. Killing tanks is impossible unless they forget the redline exists. Round two; gloves off. welcome to being Mortal.. and if youve only been flying ads for 2 days you really are gonna suck as ads is a very heavy sp investment on both time, skill and SP.. so yeah.. instead of ranting, ask the pros.. as for MLT ship vs Protoship.. 1. ADS is still only a "standard" level of that ship type.. 2. Blaster = win vs other dropships (especially on incubus) 3. MLT is just standard with higher cpu and pg costs basically.. and finally.. GIT GUD! iv still seen ADS pilots wrecking face. You are telling Judge, a player widely respected as one of the best/most knowledgible ADS pilots, who made an entire youtube channel based on ADS piloting and in depth mechanics discussion...... to ask someone else about how to fly? For realsies bro? ...Minmatar......when will they learn..... "We were commanded to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocents caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Cass Caul 1240	Posted - 2014.10.20 23:39:00 - [45] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I would also like to talk vehicle balance.....more specifically making HAV feel like tanks and not having them continue to dominate infantry like they continue to do. ....unfortunately not able to make it to the console as of the moment. See the problem with that is, it would require something like not allowing the pilot to also use the large turret. And speaking of Missiles as AV. I haven't had a single issue with the past update effecting my Incubus. It did before and still does take out tanks. Oh, wait. That's right. It neither had nor lost a RoF bonus to the missile turrets I used. Fancy that, I could still kill a tank without the RoF bonus. On Hiatus. This is my smartphone alt
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6749	Posted - 2014.10.20 23:40:00 - [46] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: At long last, the Judge has returned. Does seem a little coincidental doesn't it? { \| bittervetmode = 0 I } == Description == This player has recovered morale [[Category: Hopeful]]
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1301	Posted - 2014.10.20 23:41:00 - [47] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: So I have been flying dropships for 2 days. And the CPM and CCP should be phucking ashamed of themselves. Me included. I apologize to pilots. I let you down. The ADS is useless. We can't even make a tank scared now. My missiles fire so slowly i'm just a noise in the air, nothing more. We tried to show the evidence to CCP, we tried to manage balance but the anti vehicles guys could not let their lack of experience and knowledge stop them from sticking their ignorant fingers into the mix. Killing a Milita dropship in a proto ship is a 5 minute fight. Killing tanks is impossible unless they forget the redline exists. Round two; gloves off. Disagreeing here. From my ADS sources: ADS pilots really had to change tactics, e.g. use different method of swarm evasion than before and choose whether they want to harden up vs forges or swarms, not both. From personal experience: I don't know if it is a consolidation or not, but no dropship has ever been scary to tanks. Certainly hasn't changed now. i recall how pythons with missles used to chew me out in MLT DS's or tanks with little to no effort.. with the M-CRU buffing in echo or 1.9 i think ads will be a "troop transport" and "Air support" ship not a "Air/Ground Superiority" ship [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1301	Posted - 2014.10.20 23:44:00 - [48] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: If you think A good job was done with the Tank, the ADS and the AV then speak up. I think It sucks. Show me why it does not. ADS are no longer godmode. you actually need more then entry level SP to be good in an ADS. you need skill to fly. they were too OP but now they seem just right.. [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1301	Posted - 2014.10.20 23:46:00 - [49] - Quote ReGnYuM LEGENDof DEI wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: If you think A good job was done with the Tank, the ADS and the AV then speak up. I think It sucks. Show me why it does not. After the release of Delta, Dust 514 has become more enjoyable and the overall experience feels better. The most noticeable change is that AV feels like a role, and not a sub-class. I could go on, but I will not because this a #MyFOTMGotNerfedThread and more importantly a #CryBabyThread. You pride yourself on approaching problems objectively, yet you make this kind of thread If you want real feedback then you know where to post and how to post i agree if there is more then 1 or 2 vehicles playing AV can be fun, challenging, and a help to the team and can net some decent WPs too [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 146	Posted - 2014.10.20 23:49:00 - [50] - Quote I am just glad we will have a CPM that isn't a dimwit good luck wading through their foolishness judge. I look forward to your future videos. New, delicious, Soylent green the miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13687	Posted - 2014.10.20 23:52:00 - [51] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: True Adamance wrote: I would also like to talk vehicle balance.....more specifically making HAV feel like tanks and not having them continue to dominate infantry like they continue to do. ....unfortunately not able to make it to the console as of the moment. See the problem with that is, it would require something like not allowing the pilot to also use the large turret. And speaking of Missiles as AV. I haven't had a single issue with the past update effecting my Incubus. It did before and still does take out tanks. Oh, wait. That's right. It neither had nor lost a RoF bonus to the missile turrets I used. Fancy that, I could still kill a tank without the RoF bonus. Hardly. When I say have HAV work like tanks I'm talking about a fundamental re-designation of their roles making tanks give the perception that they are powerful vehicles worth having on the field. Basically this to me would require the following. - Re-designation of the roles of Turrets by making Large Turrets all adhere to the slow tracking high power weapons they should be. - Re-thinking the speed and handling of HAV to reduce their mobility to convey the idea of weight and inertia - Re-thinking how AV applies it damage to HAV. Currently vs most AV forms I feel invincible. I want AV to be more punchy and carry more weight. - Re-introduction of old modules. - To make the fitting process of HAV more akin to fitting Ships in EVE. Hull, Modules, Turrets all providing something worthwhile. Basically I want to suggest making tanks. Heavily Shielded/Armoured, Slow, Powerful Ordinance,Expensive, Customisable. "We were commanded to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocents caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2875	Posted - 2014.10.20 23:57:00 - [52] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: I am just glad we will have a CPM that isn't a dimwit good luck wading through their foolishness judge. I look forward to your future videos. Thanks. I read the last 20 pages in General and feedback, and I just did not see enough support for the issues that were being raised, Not just ADS, though I admit freely that it was the straw that broke my back, but for so many. Did you see that complaints about the bolt pistol? or the issue many were having with the missile tank turret? Too many things need to be addressed and they are slipping under the carpet. The ADS thing is just a wake up call to me that we need to shout when bad things happen. At the same time, we need to praise the good. A balance of sorts. 1.9 awesome. thank you CCP. ADS... you did a poor job. Map changes thanks, SCR heat changes... no thanks. Email Me [email protected] Twitter @Judge_EVELegion
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13687	Posted - 2014.10.21 00:02:00 - [53] - Quote Foot goes in mouth...... "We were commanded to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocents caught in our fires"* -Kador Ouryon
Yeeeuuuupppp Vengeance Unbound 697	Posted - 2014.10.21 00:03:00 - [54] - Quote Welcome back judge, I hope you're as pissed as I am about the ads skills as I am.. rip sp. Have you tried the incubus + rail combo? Unbelievable. I'm sorry this was your welcome back gift You wouldn't shoot a kid with glasses, would you? .l.. PSN: GMANCASH Rage Proficiency V
Lloyd Orfay Commando Perkone Caldari State 79	Posted - 2014.10.21 00:15:00 - [55] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: If you think A good job was done with the Tank, the ADS and the AV then speak up. I think It sucks. Show me why it does not. They need a role that doesn't involve slaughtering enough players to give watching bystanders FPS Gamer's PTSD
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 146	Posted - 2014.10.21 00:19:00 - [56] - Quote I believe people try to keep it light in general you will find most issues in features and ideas. New, delicious, Soylent green the miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 234	Posted - 2014.10.21 00:21:00 - [57] - Quote 20 mil in ads havent flown for 2 months. Cant wait til we get that respec im getting out of it so fast. Devs idea of an ads is decoration makes the battle look cooler like somethings actually going on. Shoot at it a couple times and get back to infantry fighting.
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 3349	Posted - 2014.10.21 00:24:00 - [58] - Quote Still want a response... what is an ADS supposed to do? http://evil-guide.tripod.com/
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1632	Posted - 2014.10.21 00:25:00 - [59] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: So I have been flying dropships for 2 days. And the CPM and CCP should be phucking ashamed of themselves. Me included. I apologize to pilots. I let you down. The ADS is useless. We can't even make a tank scared now. My missiles fire so slowly i'm just a noise in the air, nothing more. We tried to show the evidence to CCP, we tried to manage balance but the anti vehicles guys could not let their lack of experience and knowledge stop them from sticking their ignorant fingers into the mix. Killing a Milita dropship in a proto ship is a 5 minute fight. Killing tanks is impossible unless they forget the redline exists. Round two; gloves off. welcome to being Mortal.. and if youve only been flying ads for 2 days you really are gonna suck as ads is a very heavy sp investment on both time, skill and SP.. so yeah.. instead of ranting, ask the pros.. as for MLT ship vs Protoship.. 1. ADS is still only a "standard" level of that ship type.. 2. Blaster = win vs other dropships (especially on incubus) 3. MLT is just standard with higher cpu and pg costs basically.. and finally.. GIT GUD! iv still seen ADS pilots wrecking face. I actually fell out of my chair reading this. Thank you for that.. If you find an issue and I stumble upon your thread, I will do my darnedest to get the issue known. Also, Raptors...
jace silencerww Second-Nature 64	Posted - 2014.10.21 00:26:00 - [60] - Quote Sir Snugglz wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: steve0809 wrote: And a CPM member that only cares about his own play style and screw the rest ? I am sorry I voted for you i guess my cloak video bug missed you, or my one about how under powered swarms were, or the one about how dropships should be for transport, or how I tried to encoraged tankers out the redline, or how I was vocal about autoaim or strafeing..... LMAO, what happened???? you were so pro to all the changes after I stated the downfall when the nerfs began.I don't mind any changes, but someone posted a video on how investing points into the RoF bonus hindered the incubus because it increased the rate of heating lowing the amount of shots on the rail before overheating. Never confirmed if it was true but the video looks legit. But we got an ehp buff!??? lol. For the record, I noticed the downhill slope when it was decided that blaster installations became unkillable and were given an AI that autoattacked DS without having to be aggro.... But I'm actually interested in how you feel us pilots have been screwed. think he was playing DESTINY. welcome back judge. lol ccp nerf the small rail turret rof then nerfed rof on ads so yea it stinks and small blasters on ds is a huge joke unless we get the old stabilized blasters with the longer range and better zoom. then sure blasters on ds are ok. here is something judge try killing a 3 rep tank with missiles LOL no back up to help you.



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