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True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13685	Posted - 2014.10.20 21:58:00 - [1] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: So I have been flying dropships for 2 days. And the CPM and CCP should be phucking ashamed of themselves. Me included. I apologize to pilots. I let you down. The ADS is useless. We can't even make a tank scared now. My missiles fire so slowly i'm just a noise in the air, nothing more. We tried to show the evidence to CCP, we tried to manage balance but the anti vehicles guys could not let their lack of experience and knowledge stop them from sticking their ignorant fingers into the mix. Killing a Milita dropship in a proto ship is a 5 minute fight. Killing tanks is impossible unless they forget the redline exists. Round two; gloves off. As an HAV pilot I can vouch that the presence of an ADS on the field makes me chuckle while I ignore it where once it made me actually adjust my strategy in order to take it down. "We were commanded to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocents caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13686	Posted - 2014.10.20 23:16:00 - [2] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: So I have been flying dropships for 2 days. And the CPM and CCP should be phucking ashamed of themselves. Me included. I apologize to pilots. I let you down. The ADS is useless. We can't even make a tank scared now. My missiles fire so slowly i'm just a noise in the air, nothing more. We tried to show the evidence to CCP, we tried to manage balance but the anti vehicles guys could not let their lack of experience and knowledge stop them from sticking their ignorant fingers into the mix. Killing a Milita dropship in a proto ship is a 5 minute fight. Killing tanks is impossible unless they forget the redline exists. Round two; gloves off. If I can I would like to get you into voice with whoever and discuss some things. As an AV player I have become less and less happy with the state of vehicles and I need to get some input on how to present this and not run crap numbers. Bluntly I think there are a few core design issues that clash with current stated objectives that are legacy problems from beta. Some of which I brought up but got shouted down on. I would like to talk. Dude. We are on voice together right now I would also like to talk vehicle balance.....more specifically making HAV feel like tanks and not having them continue to dominate infantry like they continue to do. ....unfortunately not able to make it to the console as of the moment. "We were commanded to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocents caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13686	Posted - 2014.10.20 23:38:00 - [3] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: So I have been flying dropships for 2 days. And the CPM and CCP should be phucking ashamed of themselves. Me included. I apologize to pilots. I let you down. The ADS is useless. We can't even make a tank scared now. My missiles fire so slowly i'm just a noise in the air, nothing more. We tried to show the evidence to CCP, we tried to manage balance but the anti vehicles guys could not let their lack of experience and knowledge stop them from sticking their ignorant fingers into the mix. Killing a Milita dropship in a proto ship is a 5 minute fight. Killing tanks is impossible unless they forget the redline exists. Round two; gloves off. welcome to being Mortal.. and if youve only been flying ads for 2 days you really are gonna suck as ads is a very heavy sp investment on both time, skill and SP.. so yeah.. instead of ranting, ask the pros.. as for MLT ship vs Protoship.. 1. ADS is still only a "standard" level of that ship type.. 2. Blaster = win vs other dropships (especially on incubus) 3. MLT is just standard with higher cpu and pg costs basically.. and finally.. GIT GUD! iv still seen ADS pilots wrecking face. You are telling Judge, a player widely respected as one of the best/most knowledgible ADS pilots, who made an entire youtube channel based on ADS piloting and in depth mechanics discussion...... to ask someone else about how to fly? For realsies bro? ...Minmatar......when will they learn..... "We were commanded to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocents caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13687	Posted - 2014.10.20 23:52:00 - [4] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: True Adamance wrote: I would also like to talk vehicle balance.....more specifically making HAV feel like tanks and not having them continue to dominate infantry like they continue to do. ....unfortunately not able to make it to the console as of the moment. See the problem with that is, it would require something like not allowing the pilot to also use the large turret. And speaking of Missiles as AV. I haven't had a single issue with the past update effecting my Incubus. It did before and still does take out tanks. Oh, wait. That's right. It neither had nor lost a RoF bonus to the missile turrets I used. Fancy that, I could still kill a tank without the RoF bonus. Hardly. When I say have HAV work like tanks I'm talking about a fundamental re-designation of their roles making tanks give the perception that they are powerful vehicles worth having on the field. Basically this to me would require the following. - Re-designation of the roles of Turrets by making Large Turrets all adhere to the slow tracking high power weapons they should be. - Re-thinking the speed and handling of HAV to reduce their mobility to convey the idea of weight and inertia - Re-thinking how AV applies it damage to HAV. Currently vs most AV forms I feel invincible. I want AV to be more punchy and carry more weight. - Re-introduction of old modules. - To make the fitting process of HAV more akin to fitting Ships in EVE. Hull, Modules, Turrets all providing something worthwhile. Basically I want to suggest making tanks. Heavily Shielded/Armoured, Slow, Powerful Ordinance,Expensive, Customisable. "We were commanded to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocents caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13687	Posted - 2014.10.21 00:02:00 - [5] - Quote Foot goes in mouth...... "We were commanded to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocents caught in our fires"* -Kador Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13690	Posted - 2014.10.21 00:28:00 - [6] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: So I have been flying dropships for 2 days. And the CPM and CCP should be phucking ashamed of themselves. Me included. I apologize to pilots. I let you down. The ADS is useless. We can't even make a tank scared now. My missiles fire so slowly i'm just a noise in the air, nothing more. We tried to show the evidence to CCP, we tried to manage balance but the anti vehicles guys could not let their lack of experience and knowledge stop them from sticking their ignorant fingers into the mix. Killing a Milita dropship in a proto ship is a 5 minute fight. Killing tanks is impossible unless they forget the redline exists. Round two; gloves off. welcome to being Mortal.. and if youve only been flying ads for 2 days you really are gonna suck as ads is a very heavy sp investment on both time, skill and SP.. so yeah.. instead of ranting, ask the pros.. as for MLT ship vs Protoship.. 1. ADS is still only a "standard" level of that ship type.. 2. Blaster = win vs other dropships (especially on incubus) 3. MLT is just standard with higher cpu and pg costs basically.. and finally.. GIT GUD! iv still seen ADS pilots wrecking face. I actually fell out of my chair reading this. Thank you for that.. God the look on the faces players like him if CCP ever introduced the ADV and PRO variants..... No what Apothecary does not understand is for vehicles its less a matter of MLT vs STD It's more like T1 vs T2. "We were commanded to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocents caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13719	Posted - 2014.10.21 20:17:00 - [7] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: Killar-12 wrote: I know about Core Flaylocks... I was playing PC back in the day, do you remeber when EoN and LoI banned them in the Weekend war and Fused Nades? Yeah, I remember that. As I was in those fights... It was. . . disappointing for me. The Flaylock was my best (and really only) defense against dropships. Be them ADSs which were basically for faster transport or clearing snipers and regular dropships that wanted to land on my head. It was a nerf to Gem Cutter who would use the Core Flaylock to kill anyone that was trying to hack the point we would snipe from. It ******* sucked for Shilzy, That was his go-to weapon. He didn't have another proto one so the "deal" basically said one of our most frequent players couldn't participate in PC. sigh Flaylock is still useless. . . in the same way the Python is still useless. All I want is to destabalize those ******* pilots trying to shoot/squish me. All Rhada wants to do is take out HAVs with missiles. lol, p.s. Dropships should be good at kill tanks, only for the fact that they basically get to go "neener neener neener you can't touch me." If ADS aren't doing that what is? I spend 10 out of 15 mins in a skirmish laughing my ass off at infantry who think AV actually works. Now that ADS cannot police my actions on the field I can literally be anywhere I want to be with impunity. "We were commanded to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocents caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13743	Posted - 2014.10.22 21:02:00 - [8] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: As an alternate to bringing back Turret variants, CCP could bring back the Particle Cannons that the Gallente used to have back in Replication and the E3 build. For those of you who weren't here, those had higher direct damage than railguns with practically zero splash damage. If those were returned, we could have the Python gain a bonus to Small Railguns, and the Incubus gain a bonus to Particle Cannons. That would give both aircraft the means to fill an AV role. Also, Small Blasters need more dispersion on Dropships. Right now you can't land a shot unless that tiny dot in the middle of the spread circle is directly on your target, at least if you're using them via the nosegun of an ADS. EW speak not about these Particle Cannon. Never. I will never allow put wussy ass cannon by put on any tank ever! "We were commanded to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocents caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13900	Posted - 2014.10.28 23:40:00 - [9] - Quote Juno Tristan wrote: Pilots are subject to strong survival of the fittest mechanics as there are no 'basic' ADS Dropships and if you can't go games without losing a Dropship then you can't run them (unless you have deep pockets) Whereas I can run lolswarms starter fit, grief pilots all game and still turn a profit That's about right I think. Even a Prototype AV fit only costs roughly 300,000 ISK. Tanks I run are well over 700,000 ISK. Roughly costing me 824975 ISK a pop excluding the costs of my dropsuits which are reasonably minimal (considering I picked up the Templar sets for roughly 1.3 Billion ISK) "We were commanded to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocents caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13924	Posted - 2014.10.29 19:40:00 - [10] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Derpty Derp wrote: Also the effectiveness of AV is now balanced the same as the effectiveness of vehicles... So tanks/ads need a price drop to be in line with other proto suits. You are assuming tanks and ADSes are equivalent in effectiveness as proto suits. . Please CPM-sama don't let them drop the prices on vehicles further. Please oh please don't. These new vehicle users are weak they complain about ISK and poverty but they don't really remember...... They don't remember the times when a good vehicle cost 1.5-2 Million ISK. Good times, good times. GÇ£How does this all work then?GÇ¥ GÇ£Like so Choirboy.GÇ¥ Mila to Kador, Sub Zero Club, Shoashu Sasaanko

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