Still want a response... what is an ADS supposed to do?

Dropships are for transport..... everything else is just a bonus.

Stop trying to fly around in the air like vegeta, destroying everything in your path...

So Wise people of GD... what is an ADS supposed to do, I mean an Item is balanced if it does it's role well and is able to do so. but you first need to define what THAT role is...

to give people with no gungame something to do so they can feel important.

I've said it a dozen times in the past two months.

AV vs. V is in a very good, balanced place for the most part.

V vs. AV is not in a good place.

Those of you who actually have the sense, sanity and intellect to follow that statement should start kicking the more obnoxious and noisy V/AV players in the ass and tell them to quit sabotaging any chance for parity.

The more obnoxious and b*tchy we are the further off the priority list we fall. This means more than a few of us need to shut the hell up and support the ones who can present a thesis statement that doesnt carry the tone of "What the f**k is wrong with you?"

And no, shut it. I'm not just talking about vehicle drivers. I mean every AV gunner who'se attitude is "I have a weapon that can hurt you now, that means your role is WP pinata!"

This argument has gone old, stale and once again is devolving into childish, entitled ranting as it inevitably does after a nerf/buff cycle.

If you want to help, speak up. If you want to rant and accuse, get out.

So, your idea of Vehicle vs Anit-Vehicle balance should be wholly determined through who is more obstinate.
Vehicles all have much improved acceleration than when Marauders existed. So long as something can zip in an zip out of a conflict zone that isn't going to happen

The part where "ADS's are OP" comes from is their ability to 2-3 shot most suits with missiles (entirely because of splash damage) and as soon as they start taking fire they just leave.
Then they set upon for another section of the map and rain down fire from above unimpeded.
Again: Missiles vs Infantry are overpowered as **** and it's directly due to splash damage.

Swarms VS ADS did sit in a nice "Thunderdome" style balance where if they fought to the death only 1 would come out. But that rarely happened because Vehicles are no longer forced into that situation. They can disengage from combat with far too much ease.

Alright. after last update. Maybe not "far too much" as the cooldown on afterburners means the pilot actually needs to be paying attention to their modules

your desired " violent, white-knuckle firefight with vehicles" isn't a possibility as long as they have the mobility that they do.

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@Killer-12, What should an ADS's role be?

They should be at the zenith of hit-and-run tactics. They shouldn't have the HP to tank damage like an HAV (be it active or passive). They shouldn't have bonuses to turrets that allow their small turret to outperform large turrets.

They should perform against roof-top forgers as they do now. Swoop in, take out nanohive and uplinks, and come back later. Battle of attrition to kill the FG'ers. wait till their ammo is gone and take them out.


If the pilot is dumb enough to let it happen, a full clip from a forge gun should kill them, even with modules active.


If any of you guys playing in PC before the Flaylock got nerfed, imagine how InsidiousN played.
He had dual Core Flaylocks. His primary activity was going around and taking out EQ. He was in a Scout suit so if he got caught he was in deep ****. However, if he spotted them first, using that OP weapon, he would take them out.

This was before cloaks, before team-shared-LoS scans were taken out, before scouts had their 6th module slot restored

The ADS shouldn't be looking for direct confrontation.