*popcorn runs out*

''Why can't I take an ADS to solo clear the AV infesting that point???''
- If the answer to this question is ..
A. Because you must Git Gud
B. Coz AV is mad OP
C. That AV is meant to blow you up - stay away until they are engaged or cleared
- One of those earns you a cookie.

I've said it a dozen times in the past two months.

AV vs. V is in a very good, balanced place for the most part.

V vs. AV is not in a good place.

Those of you who actually have the sense, sanity and intellect to follow that statement should start kicking the more obnoxious and noisy V/AV players in the ass and tell them to quit sabotaging any chance for parity.

The more obnoxious and b*tchy we are the further off the priority list we fall. This means more than a few of us need to shut the hell up and support the ones who can present a thesis statement that doesnt carrt the tone of "What the f**k is wrong with you?"

And no, shut it. I'm not just talking about vehicle drivers. I mean every AV gunner who'se attitude is "I have a weapon that can hurt you now, that means your role is WP pinata!"

This argument has gone old, stale and once again is devolving into childish, entitled ranting as it inevitably does after a nerf/buff cycle.

If you want to help, speak up. If you want to rant and accuse, get out.

You forgot option D... Squash them with a Gorgon.

T_____T He called me a scrub when I did that.

- Re-designation of the roles of Turrets by making Large Turrets all adhere to the slow tracking high power weapons they should be.

I used to log in for the joy of exploding vehicles. It's not as fun anymore.

The vehicles feel less a threat and more a chore right now for me. Dunno how others feel. But I miss marauders in all of their horrible glory.

I've said it a dozen times in the past two months.

AV vs. V is in a very good, balanced place for the most part.

V vs. AV is not in a good place.

Those of you who actually have the sense, sanity and intellect to follow that statement should start kicking the more obnoxious and noisy V/AV players in the ass and tell them to quit sabotaging any chance for parity.

The more obnoxious and b*tchy we are the further off the priority list we fall. This means more than a few of us need to shut the hell up and support the ones who can present a thesis statement that doesnt carry the tone of "What the f**k is wrong with you?"

And no, shut it. I'm not just talking about vehicle drivers. I mean every AV gunner who'se attitude is "I have a weapon that can hurt you now, that means your role is WP pinata!"

This argument has gone old, stale and once again is devolving into childish, entitled ranting as it inevitably does after a nerf/buff cycle.

If you want to help, speak up. If you want to rant and accuse, get out.

Also different suit sizes have different turn speeds, something you might not notice with DS3. Scouts can turn real fast, heavies actually cannot turn as fast as a scout for instance, the difference is quite noticeable with KB/M.

I also believe a higher sensitivity option should be available for controller users should they want it.

And bluntly if we, the AV players who enjoy a violent, white-knuckle firefight with vehicles that is challenging and rewarding want to see those fights again, not the tug 'a war of superiority we need to start helping the vehicle drivers provide feedback that is more useful than "too powerful, needs nerfing."

I used to log in for the joy of exploding vehicles. It's not as fun anymore.

The vehicles feel less a threat and more a chore right now for me. Dunno how others feel. But I miss marauders in all of their horrible glory.

I've invested in my role, I have prototype forge guns & heavy.

Im not sure what relevance anything you are saying has to a discussion of balance, what bad swarmers do doesnt mean much. Just like what bad ADS pilots do doesnt mean much.

All I know is that at a reasonable level of skill, an ADS pilot in a one on one with AV is invincible unless they choose to risk death.

So I have been flying dropships for 2 days. And the CPM and CCP should be ashamed of themselves. Me included. I apologize to pilots. I let you down. The ADS is useless. We can't even make a tank scared now. My missiles fire so slowly i'm just a noise in the air, nothing more. We tried to show the evidence to CCP, we tried to manage balance but the anti vehicles guys could not let their lack of experience and knowledge stop them from sticking their ignorant fingers into the mix.

Killing a Milita dropship in a proto ship is a 5 minute fight. Killing tanks is impossible unless they forget the redline exists. Round two; gloves off.

So, your idea of Vehicle vs Anit-Vehicle balance should be wholly determined through who is more obstinate.
Vehicles all have much improved acceleration than when Marauders existed. So long as something can zip in an zip out of a conflict zone that isn't going to happen

The part where "ADS's are OP" comes from is their ability to 2-3 shot most suits with missiles (entirely because of splash damage) and as soon as they start taking fire they just leave.
Then they set upon for another section of the map and rain down fire from above unimpeded.
Again: Missiles vs Infantry are overpowered as **** and it's directly due to splash damage.

Swarms VS ADS did sit in a nice "Thunderdome" style balance where if they fought to the death only 1 would come out. But that rarely happened because Vehicles are no longer forced into that situation. They can disengage from combat with far too much ease.

Alright. after last update. Maybe not "far too much" as the cooldown on afterburners means the pilot actually needs to be paying attention to their modules

your desired " violent, white-knuckle firefight with vehicles" isn't a possibility as long as they have the mobility that they do.

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@Killer-12, What should an ADS's role be?

They should be at the zenith of hit-and-run tactics. They shouldn't have the HP to tank damage like an HAV (be it active or passive). They shouldn't have bonuses to turrets that allow their small turret to outperform large turrets.

They should perform against roof-top forgers as they do now. Swoop in, take out nanohive and uplinks, and come back later. Battle of attrition to kill the FG'ers. wait till their ammo is gone and take them out.


If the pilot is dumb enough to let it happen, a full clip from a forge gun should kill them, even with modules active.


If any of you guys playing in PC before the Flaylock got nerfed, imagine how InsidiousN played.
He had dual Core Flaylocks. His primary activity was going around and taking out EQ. He was in a Scout suit so if he got caught he was in deep ****. However, if he spotted them first, using that OP weapon, he would take them out.

This was before cloaks, before team-shared-LoS scans were taken out, before scouts had their 6th module slot restored

The ADS shouldn't be looking for direct confrontation.

You should have spearheaded sniping the way I honestly thought you were going to.

Iron Wolf Saber should never have been re-elected.

The range nerf, over the top headshot damage, almost nothing base damage increases, and random unalterable unasked for sight changes to the sniper rifles, not to mention clip size tom'fuckery. Have got me really upset. This isn't the same game anymore. I can't have a drink relax and snipe to my hearts content when I'm constantly being choked by invisible lines. Giving even more of the people on the map "god mode from snipers".

The one thing that hasn't changed is snipers being nerfed.

Sniping with 10% damage mods, and 600m range. Bring it back!

(giving back old sniping spots will not remedy this situation)



I hate to say it, but now you know how the sniper community feels. Your bread and butter has been put somewhere between niche and useless. Good luck fixing the mediocrity that was your favorite thing and main reason for staying with Dust 514.

I know about Core Flaylocks... I was playing PC back in the day, do you remeber when EoN and LoI banned them in the Weekend war and Fused Nades?

Yeah, I remember that. As I was in those fights...
It was. . . disappointing for me. The Flaylock was my best (and really only) defense against dropships. Be them ADSs which were basically for faster transport or clearing snipers and regular dropships that wanted to land on my head.
It was a nerf to Gem Cutter who would use the Core Flaylock to kill anyone that was trying to hack the point we would snipe from.
It ******* sucked for Shilzy, That was his go-to weapon. He didn't have another proto one so the "deal" basically said one of our most frequent players couldn't participate in PC.

*sigh* Flaylock is still useless. . . in the same way the Python is still useless. All I want is to destabalize those ******* pilots trying to shoot/squish me. All Rhada wants to do is take out HAVs with missiles.

lol, p.s.
Dropships should be good at kill tanks, only for the fact that they basically get to go "neener neener neener you can't touch me."

I've invested in my role, I have prototype forge guns & heavy.

Im not sure what relevance anything you are saying has to a discussion of balance, what bad swarmers do doesnt mean much. Just like what bad ADS pilots do doesnt mean much.

All I know is that at a reasonable level of skill, an ADS pilot in a one on one with AV is invincible unless they choose to risk death.

So, your idea of Vehicle vs Anit-Vehicle balance should be wholly determined through who is more obstinate.
Vehicles all have much improved acceleration than when Marauders existed. So long as something can zip in an zip out of a conflict zone that isn't going to happen

The part where "ADS's are OP" comes from is their ability to 2-3 shot most suits with missiles (entirely because of splash damage) and as soon as they start taking fire they just leave.
Then they set upon for another section of the map and rain down fire from above unimpeded.
Again: Missiles vs Infantry are overpowered as **** and it's directly due to splash damage.

Swarms VS ADS did sit in a nice "Thunderdome" style balance where if they fought to the death only 1 would come out. But that rarely happened because Vehicles are no longer forced into that situation. They can disengage from combat with far too much ease.

Alright. after last update. Maybe not "far too much" as the cooldown on afterburners means the pilot actually needs to be paying attention to their modules

your desired " violent, white-knuckle firefight with vehicles" isn't a possibility as long as they have the mobility that they do.

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@Killer-12, What should an ADS's role be?

They should be at the zenith of hit-and-run tactics. They shouldn't have the HP to tank damage like an HAV (be it active or passive). They shouldn't have bonuses to turrets that allow their small turret to outperform large turrets.

They should perform against roof-top forgers as they do now. Swoop in, take out nanohive and uplinks, and come back later. Battle of attrition to kill the FG'ers. wait till their ammo is gone and take them out.


If the pilot is dumb enough to let it happen, a full clip from a forge gun should kill them, even with modules active.


If any of you guys playing in PC before the Flaylock got nerfed, imagine how InsidiousN played.
He had dual Core Flaylocks. His primary activity was going around and taking out EQ. He was in a Scout suit so if he got caught he was in deep ****. However, if he spotted them first, using that OP weapon, he would take them out.

This was before cloaks, before team-shared-LoS scans were taken out, before scouts had their 6th module slot restored

The ADS shouldn't be looking for direct confrontation.

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You go near any activity on the map with a dropship and you are getting pummeled now by a swarm if not a forger. There can't be any hot and run with that kind of acrion. The third swarm shot is hitting my ship when I have flown well out of range.

So, your idea of Vehicle vs Anit-Vehicle balance should be wholly determined through who is more obstinate.
Vehicles all have much improved acceleration than when Marauders existed. So long as something can zip in an zip out of a conflict zone that isn't going to happen

The part where "ADS's are OP" comes from is their ability to 2-3 shot most suits with missiles (entirely because of splash damage) and as soon as they start taking fire they just leave.
Then they set upon for another section of the map and rain down fire from above unimpeded.
Again: Missiles vs Infantry are overpowered as **** and it's directly due to splash damage.

Swarms VS ADS did sit in a nice "Thunderdome" style balance where if they fought to the death only 1 would come out. But that rarely happened because Vehicles are no longer forced into that situation. They can disengage from combat with far too much ease.

Alright. after last update. Maybe not "far too much" as the cooldown on afterburners means the pilot actually needs to be paying attention to their modules

your desired " violent, white-knuckle firefight with vehicles" isn't a possibility as long as they have the mobility that they do.

I could argue that you are a seasoned AV player who has been wrecking vehicles since Moses wore short-shorts. Your feelings can't be used to judge the overall feeling of AV.

Look, I can see what DSes, HAVs, LAVs, FGs, AV nades, REs, PMs, PLCs, and SLs are supposed to do, but ADSes only one person has tried to define and poorly at that, so what are ADSes suppoed to do? AV or Infantry? Suppression or Attack?

So I have been flying dropships for 2 days. And the CPM and CCP should be ashamed of themselves. Me included. I apologize to pilots. I let you down. The ADS is useless. We can't even make a tank scared now. My missiles fire so slowly i'm just a noise in the air, nothing more. We tried to show the evidence to CCP, we tried to manage balance but the anti vehicles guys could not let their lack of experience and knowledge stop them from sticking their ignorant fingers into the mix.

Killing a Milita dropship in a proto ship is a 5 minute fight. Killing tanks is impossible unless they forget the redline exists. Round two; gloves off.

Disclaimer: I am not a ADS pilot.

Personally, I think ADS are fine (or even a bit OP) against infantry.

I think their AA and AV strength needs a buff, however.

So I have been flying dropships for 2 days. And the CPM and CCP should be ashamed of themselves. Me included. I apologize to pilots. I let you down. The ADS is useless. We can't even make a tank scared now. My missiles fire so slowly i'm just a noise in the air, nothing more. We tried to show the evidence to CCP, we tried to manage balance but the anti vehicles guys could not let their lack of experience and knowledge stop them from sticking their ignorant fingers into the mix.

Killing a Milita dropship in a proto ship is a 5 minute fight. Killing tanks is impossible unless they forget the redline exists. Round two; gloves off.

i guess my cloak video bug missed you, or my one about how under powered swarms were, or the one about how dropships should be for transport, or how I tried to encoraged tankers out the redline, or how I was vocal about autoaim or strafeing.....

As an alternate to bringing back Turret variants, CCP could bring back the Particle Cannons that the Gallente used to have back in Replication and the E3 build. For those of you who weren't here, those had higher direct damage than railguns with practically zero splash damage.

If those were returned, we could have the Python gain a bonus to Small Railguns, and the Incubus gain a bonus to Particle Cannons. That would give both aircraft the means to fill an AV role.

Also, Small Blasters need more dispersion on Dropships. Right now you can't land a shot unless that tiny dot in the middle of the spread circle is directly on your target, at least if you're using them via the nosegun of an ADS.