DUST Search - CCP and the CPM failed hard

Tesfa Alem wrote:

Fox Gaden wrote:

Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:

So I have been flying dropships for 2 days. And the CPM and CCP should be ashamed of themselves. Me included. I apologize to pilots. I let you down. The ADS is useless. We can't even make a tank scared now. My missiles fire so slowly i'm just a noise in the air, nothing more. We tried to show the evidence to CCP, we tried to manage balance but the anti vehicles guys could not let their lack of experience and knowledge stop them from sticking their ignorant fingers into the mix.

Killing a Milita dropship in a proto ship is a 5 minute fight. Killing tanks is impossible unless they forget the redline exists. Round two; gloves off.

A lot of righteous indignation from a CPM member who was AWAL when he was needed most.

Rattati needed to change the bonus because having a turret fire 50% faster on one platform than any other made it too difficult to balance, as balancing small turrets on HAVGÇÖs, LAVGÇÖs, and standard Dropships would make them OP on ADS; and balancing them on ADS would make them UP on other platforms. He was not able to get any constructive feedback from the ADS community, so he overnerfed them to insure that he would get plenty of feedback for the next balance pass.

So fare his strategy seems to be working. I have seen a lot more analysis and creative ideas out of the ADS community since. Now that you are back, maybe you can coordinate all that and come up with a proper fix.

For clarification: On the ROF Rattati announced himself he asked no one about feedback, not pilots, and not the CPM. The ROF reduction was announced in the google doc sheet on Hotfix delta. Rattati announced this in defense of Soraya Xel, who foolishily showed up to troll in the first thread about the unnanouced nerf .

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#118Posted: 2014.09.23 00:37 | Report | Edited by: CCP Rattati
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:
Where was discussion on such a huge Nerf to ADS ROF?

The decision was mine and mine alone, a 50% increase in DPS is unprecedented progression of damage in the game, and makes it impossible to balance.

Pilot feedback has been the same pre-delta and post-delta, but Rattati was going to buff swarms in delta regardless of what anybody said, Pre-delta feedback on swarms wasn't going to happen. And what pilots pre delta said about the swarms and ROF came true.

- Every swarm missile fired will hit. Pilots cannot lose swarms around buildings or terrain.
- Anything fit with less then Proto modules will die in three shots. Three shots will always hit even with afterburner.
- Buffing swarms will not affect the power ADS have over infantry.
- 2.2 million SP ROF skill is nearly identical to 0 SP ROF skill. Currently it is worthless.
- AV role of dropships is impacted severely, to the point where the only ADS turret that is viable is a missile.
- Swarms do not crash into buildings, nor do they hit terrain.


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TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1291	Posted - 2014.10.21 02:04:00 - [1] - Quote judge, can you please review the swarms and show that they are still making 90 degree turns and phasing through any obstacle they encounter- this was supposed to be implemented on top of their buff but they did not implement this, they only buffed the swarms without any rework of their physics, as promised.. AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1291	Posted - 2014.10.24 21:07:00 - [2] - Quote Moochie Cricket wrote: Everything about the python is completely fine. Incubus rails overheating too fast needs to be fixed. Skill multiplier for dropship ROF needs to be dramatically decreased to make it worthwhile. Collisions between dropships need to be looked at. Swarms need a change to their mechanics to make them more powerful, but require skill instead of fire and forget. just give me a respec out of ROF.. seriously 10% to 3%... he couldnt even meet us in the middle on it. obviously dev is not a vehicle user. whatever i dont need the ROF that bad but it sux i spent all that SP on it. i myself flew all night last night i dont remember loosing a single ADS. i lost a grims due to 6 different AVs focus firing at me. somehow i did not loose an ADS after 6 hours of flight. idc that the rest of pilots are having a hard time the whole pilot thing had become some kind of cheesey boys club with easy mode being in effect. AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1291	Posted - 2014.10.24 21:10:00 - [3] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: So I have been flying dropships for 2 days. And the CPM and CCP should be ashamed of themselves. Me included. I apologize to pilots. I let you down. The ADS is useless. We can't even make a tank scared now. My missiles fire so slowly i'm just a noise in the air, nothing more. We tried to show the evidence to CCP, we tried to manage balance but the anti vehicles guys could not let their lack of experience and knowledge stop them from sticking their ignorant fingers into the mix. Killing a Milita dropship in a proto ship is a 5 minute fight. Killing tanks is impossible unless they forget the redline exists. Round two; gloves off. A lot of righteous indignation from a CPM member who was AWAL when he was needed most. Rattati needed to change the bonus because having a turret fire 50% faster on one platform than any other made it too difficult to balance, as balancing small turrets on HAVGÇÖs, LAVGÇÖs, and standard Dropships would make them OP on ADS; and balancing them on ADS would make them UP on other platforms. He was not able to get any constructive feedback from the ADS community, so he overnerfed them to insure that he would get plenty of feedback for the next balance pass. So fare his strategy seems to be working. I have seen a lot more analysis and creative ideas out of the ADS community since. Now that you are back, maybe you can coordinate all that and come up with a proper fix. For clarification: On the ROF Rattati announced himself he asked no one about feedback, not pilots, and not the CPM. The ROF reduction was announced in the google doc sheet on Hotfix delta. Rattati announced this in defense of Soraya Xel, who foolishily showed up to troll in the first thread about the unnanouced nerf . Quote: #118Posted: 2014.09.23 00:37 \| Report \| Edited by: CCP Rattati 32 Alena Ventrallis wrote: Where was discussion on such a huge Nerf to ADS ROF? The decision was mine and mine alone, a 50% increase in DPS is unprecedented progression of damage in the game, and makes it impossible to balance. Pilot feedback has been the same pre-delta and post-delta, but Rattati was going to buff swarms in delta regardless of what anybody said, Pre-delta feedback on swarms wasn't going to happen. And what pilots pre delta said about the swarms and ROF came true. - Every swarm missile fired will hit. Pilots cannot lose swarms around buildings or terrain. - Anything fit with less then Proto modules will die in three shots. Three shots will always hit even with afterburner. - Buffing swarms will not affect the power ADS have over infantry. - 2.2 million SP ROF skill is nearly identical to 0 SP ROF skill. Currently it is worthless. - AV role of dropships is impacted severely, to the point where the only ADS turret that is viable is a missile. *- Swarms do not crash into buildings, nor do they hit terrain.* QFT.. the dev just decided to go home early that day rather than complete the rework of swarms, it's like he finished the buff and was like ah well no one except pilots will care/notice i didn't complete the rework.. i already brought the point up to judge he ignores me as usual.. AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012