You just advocated CCP killing EVE. One person, one vehicle. The whole point is they're culling some capsule tech for vehicles.

Lmfao . Even an incubus with XT-1 can kill infantry so easily in PC and public matches

I laugh when I see an Incubus XT-1 ADS in a PC. You won't be killing people in my city. This is the reason I think the ROF nerf to pythons is a bit much.

(Im a pilot.)

No respec. 10% increase in ROF per level was obscene, compared to other bonuses in the game. Simple as. Its been used and abused. I have both, a lot of SP "lost" some would say - no. A lot of SP spent on something that can equate to Weapon Proficiency as an example.

Imagine if the Rail Rifle had a 10% ROF Bonus per level in a certain skillbook. Or the Python got a 10% Damage Bonus per level for Small Missile Turrets. Both are obscene and would be abused like us pilots have the Turret ROF.

If you skilled into it for the 10% ROF... tough. You should've seen how ridiculous that is. Hell, I did but still spent I dont know how much SP on those bonuses.

Anyway, with the AB nerf it balances us against Infantry respawn times, which on average is about 30-60 seconds - the same time range we'll have to wait for AB's to cool down. Swarms are now useful rather than just letting us fly away and 10 seconds later have a fully recharged AB again. I mean, I've used an MLT Afterburner for way way too long.

And so what if we die more - hull cost reduction to 200k? Yes please. Won't take 2 excellent matches to buy another fully fitted ADS.

Literally that no amount of money you bring on the field should make you just naturally superior to all other players the way many vehicles currently do.

Lets be quite clear, you are very bias here Xel. Proto stompers have been and continue to be superior to most on the battlefield purely because they can run proto dropsuits with full proto fits with total disregard for any amount of isk lost. Regularly I see admitedly good players lose 3,4,5+ proto suits game after game. I doubt they are sustainable but because they have crazy tons of isk they have no worry.

How is that any different?

Balance.

You just advocated CCP killing EVE. One person, one vehicle. The whole point is they're culling some capsule tech for vehicles.

[Proto stompers]
How is that any different?

Protostompers can be smeared solo with militia weapons.

Different games need to work differently. And capsule tech makes like no sense in this context.

Heh. Kinda. o_O



Particularly, my perfect view of HAVs would be the driver getting the small forward turret (which has a limited firing arc, it would be easy to flank a tank with only a driver), have the second seat be the main turret, and the third seat control the top small turret with better visibility as well as the logistics modules. A single person could use any of the features of the tanks by switching seats (like with a LAV now), but at the obvious limitation of not being able to do all at once.

Then, a tank isn't able to efficiently work with it's defenses, like shield and armor reppers, while also doing damage, and also moving. That would severely hamper it's survivability and capability when only a single person was using it. In that case, one could justify buffing HAVs pretty decently, since they wouldn't be that powerful with only a single seat in use.

I declare ADS useless being nerfed by buff

Looking back to ADS history, many have forgotten why the full dmg build was chosen. It was not because it was op, it was simply because the role of derpship pilot was not viable and the only way to not have a pointless role in gm was to turn it into a killing machine. That's all you would've of done. Anything else was considered trolling.

While the ADS has not been affected directly, it was been getting nerfed after every hot-fix because of the buffs in other areas. ADS is already shut down because of installation tankiness buff, to further the nerf, blaster installations received the ability to auto attack ADS without aggro. 2-3 unmanned installations force the ADS to remain out of battle.

Nerfing the RoF... I dont really care much about it in itself. But look at the other changes. Afterburners also because a major ingredient in the Full offensive derpship role. they are getting nerfed as well with that 40 sec CD increase. What allowed a derpship to perform hit and runs will now have to fire 2-3 missiles, only to remain out of battle for 40 sec.

Again, but buffing AV weapons, which i dont mind either, indirectly nerfs the ADS. Swarm missiles will travel faster and do more dmg, which really isnt required anymore since most afterburners will be on CD so ADS wont have speed boost.

As to buffs, only the standard derpships are receiving ehp/pg/cpu increases. ADS is only getting a price reduction


As you can see, it seems that many of the changes outside of ADS has been with the goal of shutting down ADS indirectly. Each buff alone would merit the buff and still allow for a fair fight with ads. but the combined changes in all the past hotfixes have been to combat the ADS to the point of meeting it utterly useless.

I agree that the ADS shouldnt be a full dmg vehicle. but taking away that role does not introduce new ones. by shutting down the ADS it will not turn it into the transport vehicle we all dreamed it would be, it will not turn it into the sup vehicle we all wanted (logi DS), and it will not become that rescue vehicle expected to go into hotzones for extractions. By taking away its only role, we are returning to its former and most notable role of being a flying sightseeing vehicle where its only use will be to appreciate the background art of each map and to sacrifice in order to reach a roof.

@Derrith I'm going to show these idiots that it's not the ADS's that are OPGǪ

It's the pilots.

Well, it's exactly how I thought it would be.

Flying with some of the best pilots in the 1st Airborne channel, I took my Python into a few matches 2 days ago.

After the third attempt at trying to kill 2 guys with Swarm Launchers before they put so many missiles in the air that there was no way to get away from them, I just called in a Gunnlogi.

The acceleration increase on the missiles now means that outrunning Swarms is nearly impossible. While that sounds like an excellent change, the issue is that all of the Swarm Launcher buffs made up until now have combined to make escape nearly impossible even if I hit the AFterburner and run away the moment I see the first volley get launched, not even waiting for it to hit me.

As well, Yom was telling me about having Swarms chase him out to 480 meters from their launch point.


At the very least, if this is the new reality for pilots, the maximum flight range on Swarms needs to be drastically reduced. You can't take away both tanking AND evasion, because at that point no reduction in cost will make an ADS worth flying.

STD and ADV swarms were buffed, Proto actually lost damage and the acceleration increase was needed because you could lolAB away every time. Reducing the flight range would make drop ships impossible to kill. Again. Because you can just sit out of range watching the missiles blow up in front of you.

They blow up at 400 metres.

They're supposed to, but several people can attest to the fact that they don't.

Also, I'm not sure why this is, but even with the Afterburner on, the acceleration on my Python feels very sluggish. I don't recall seeing any changes mentioned in the spreadsheet for Hotfix Delta, but it literally feels like I can't get the damn thing moving anymore. I can only imagine what it must be like for Incubus pilots.

Also, on that subject: 6 shots from a small Railgun before overheating?

I mean, hell, part of what I liked flying the ADS for was helping infantry kill tanks. I guess that's unacceptable?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Bqr2OKuQXCKrvx721n07xLb5VYmwvXEoftyNqRg3ew8/edit#gid=1986456775

Now I'm 100% on board with fixing pilot-stacking, but this is just ridiculous.

EDIT: As far as I know this would be on top of fixing pilot stacking.

Infantry wanted it, and then it happened.

Pilots have absolutely zero control over what happens to vehicles.

Why would you need 50% increase on fire rate?

I agree that 50% is quite a lot, but I also agree with my fellow pilots that 15% is an absurdly low bonus (especially considering the SP cost).

Why would you need 50% increase on fire rate?

Why not? Why do monkeys tapdance? Why?

Infantry wanted it, and then it happened.

Pilots have absolutely zero control over what happens to vehicles.

I'd rather just increase the RoF of all turrets by 15%, and then give ADSs a different bonus.


Everyone is capable of posting feedback, therefore everyone has equal control (which is none) and influence over what happens to vehicles (or AV).

The reason why the Pilot's demands aren't being met is because there's about 2-3 of them who's ever asked for something that isn't so ridiculously broken & biased that it borders on comedic parody.