What reason do you need vehicles nerfed and AV buffed in the same hotfix?

What reason do you need vehicles nerfed and AV buffed in the same hotfix?

What reason do you need vehicles nerfed and AV buffed in the same hotfix?

And with 1 change you made ADS useless. I thought the AB nerf and buffed swarms would have beeing balancing enough but appearently you need to swing the nerfbat onto everything that benefits ADS.

Because ADS was just that OP. o_O

That being said, there's also a benefit in ensuring newer pilots and more veteran pilots aren't 50% damage different. It's harder to balance for such a wide swing of capabilities. Namely that with such a wide variance of rate of fire, either the newbie will be useless or the veteran will be overpowered. With a smaller difference in the skill bonus, the entire class is easier to balance for.

ADS was just that OP my ass. I've never seen you fly ever, what the hell would you know about ADS. and even if you did fly, how many PC's have you flown in? I've flown and rang for more corps as an ADS more times than I've jerked it. How long were you flying? I've been flying ever since I started the game back in chrome. It's my bread and butter, and I've been driven broke four times doing the one thing CCP made enjoyable in this Godforsaken game.

I'm not about to let a bunch of tin foil noobs who don't know anything about taking out an ADS other than "lock on" and "release" dictate something I specced more than 2/5 of my SP into and ruin the fun I have with it.

And while we're here, who's the guy who recommended a 35% decrease to the ROF skill? Is this tard going to also say that having our AB modules reduced by this much is a great idea, along with our ROF nerf? Is he also the genius that proposed an increase to our AB active time?

After seeing all this crap proposed, I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that all but one person on the CPM and whoever is working for CCP knows a damn thing about ADS and how they operate, and that one guy we haven't seen hide nor hair of. Hell, Zatara actually got me into a squad with Logibro to discuss ADS nerf and AV buff. That just goes to show nobody active on your damn board knows anything about actually balancing us.

ADS was just that OP my ass. I've never seen you fly ever, what the hell would you know about ADS. and even if you did fly, how many PC's have you flown in? I've flown and rang for more corps as an ADS more times than I've jerked it. How long were you flying? I've been flying ever since I started the game back in chrome. It's my bread and butter, and I've been driven broke four times doing the one thing CCP made enjoyable in this Godforsaken game.

I'm not about to let a bunch of tin foil noobs who don't know anything about taking out an ADS other than "lock on" and "release" dictate something I specced more than 2/5 of my SP into and ruin the fun I have with it.

And while we're here, who's the guy who recommended a 35% decrease to the ROF skill? Is this tard going to also say that having our AB modules reduced by this much is a great idea, along with our ROF nerf? Is he also the genius that proposed an increase to our AB active time?

After seeing all this crap proposed, I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that all but one person on the CPM and whoever is working for CCP knows a damn thing about ADS and how they operate, and that one guy we haven't seen hide nor hair of. Hell, Zatara actually got me into a squad with Logibro to discuss ADS nerf and AV buff. That just goes to show nobody active on your damn board knows anything about actually balancing us.

Ok, if we dont know anything about ADSs, explain why a RoF nerf is bad and how it stops you from performing your role. As for the Swarm side of things, every ads that isnt flown by a moron just ABs away after the first swarm and comes back 10 seconds later fully repped.

Ok, if we dont know anything about ADSs, explain why a RoF nerf is bad and how it stops you from performing your role. As for the Swarm side of things, every ads that isnt flown by a moron just ABs away after the first swarm and comes back 10 seconds later fully repped.

And yet it's cool for you to farm infantry kills with little to no recourse.

What, balance should be predicated on the enemy team having another ADS, or a forge gunner who's been focused on forge guns since Beta to take you down?

Where does the parity begin and the one-sided victory engine end?

Yes, actually. If reds are unwilling to do anything about me, they deserve to get killed by me, or one of my squad mates. And I'm actually agreeing with a beta forge killing me, do you know why? Because forging actually takes skill.

I'm guessing that it's a big enough hit that you just won't see them much anymore.

It's too expensive and in a competitive environment they are going to get eaten alive while not being able to perform very well.

Because ADS was just that OP. o_O

That being said, there's also a benefit in ensuring newer pilots and more veteran pilots aren't 50% damage different. It's harder to balance for such a wide swing of capabilities. Namely that with such a wide variance of rate of fire, either the newbie will be useless or the veteran will be overpowered. With a smaller difference in the skill bonus, the entire class is easier to balance for.

Swarms may require less skill to fire, but they're an incredibly crippled weapon. They can only fire if you're in an incredibly short lock range, and since they're the only weapon in the game that cannot kill other infantry, swarm players are extremely vulnerable at all times on the battlefield. Coupled with their wimpy amount of damage they do on the rare occasion they hit your dropship... yeah.

Its a 45% difference in rof thats a huge change.Did you guys even test it or you just playing number games.

They're getting an acceleration buff in Delta, that buff almost ensures that over 50% of the time an ADS hovering will get hit hardcore by that swarmer, it may not kill us unless we're stupid, but that's the price we pay for being stupid.

And on swarmers being defenseless.

1) good, hire a bodyguard, teamwork is OP.

Its a 45% difference in rof thats a huge change.Did you guys even test it or you just playing number games.

I do not have a test server, nor am I a game developer. CCP tests the hotfixes though.



If it doesn't kill you, it might not be buffed enough. Dropships should actually die sometimes. Shocker, I know.

Suggesting teamwork says the vehicle pilot who doesn't need teamwork to top the scoreboard. That's the inherent problem of vehicles: They allow a single player to be powerful enough to require teamwork to take them down, while requiring no teamwork on their part.

I think everyone should refrain from jumping off of anything though. Rattati has shown to tweak tweaks if he doesn't get them right.

Dropships should die sometimes eh? sure, but I guess you'd like to conveniently forget that swarms should also die too, especially if the role of an ADS is to kill infantry (which, by the way, it is). In your words, shocker, I know.

And suggesting teamwork to take down a vehicle, which is supposed to be a force multiplier, is perfectly reasonable, especially when my comment saying "hire a bodyguard" is mainly to keep him from dying from foot soldiers. And even if he didn't have a friend, he could skill into what I recommended previously, that you conveniently left out, the strange life form known as the commando. You know, I've heard rumors that inside the species known as commandoughious, there is a subspecies known as minmando, that offers... wait for it... a damage buff to swarms and projectile weapons! Who would've thought that investing your SP wisely would get you something? (and if you've ever tried a minmando, you'll know you don't need teamwork to kill noob pilots)

He is very good about revisiting fixes that go too far or not far enough.



Swarms die a lot. It's easy to blow through 2 mil ISK in proto swarms just trying to *deter* and be unable to kill, a single ADS. It's ridiculously expensive, and we get nothing for it. Yes, ADS should kill most infantry, but they should die to AV. Vehicles > Infantry > AV (which die to infantry a LOT) > Vehicles. That's your triangle.

When you see AV on the field, you should be coordinating with infantry on your team to clear the way for you. The problem is, your notion that your class as a force multiplier simply means you should be better than players who chose a different class. I am all for teamwork. So why doesn't the ADS require teamwork?

Oh but we do require teamwork. If you've ever squadded with me (you haven't, but let's pretend), you'd know that I cry like a little girl when there are two swarmers camped up on a roof in the ideal suit, which you seem to keep ignoring for whatever reason (commando). I've requested multiple times from my squad mates to get in my ADS, drop out over high point and help me gangbang them. A good forger (I'm talking really good) that has properly set himself up is insanely difficult for me to get around, all you'd have to do in that scenario is add in a random red with a militia in that forges general area (no more than twenty meters) and I am locked off from that area if I don't get help.

It's perfectly possible for a swarm/PLC/Forge or rail tank to solo an ADS. It's just that a lot of them are not skilled enough, another thing people in GD don't seem to take into account, personal skill that is.

Derrith, you're still talking about being "locked off from an area".

Have you ever, you know, "died"?

Yes, when I actually go in those areas, which I'm not dumb enough to do unless absolutely necessary.